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Can Last Cup of Coffee be the new alternative to Komm Süsser Tod?
 
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timtimH said:
I'm personally still skeptical about rumors of bullying between talents.
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I mean, Anycolor themselves literally confirmed that this was a direct complaint Selen made to them in their termination letter. Why they would admit this, I don't know, but the only way you could still be skeptical about this is if you either believe Selen was lying about it when she complained, or you believe Niji was lying about her complaining about it. Selen herself also confirmed that there was bullying, she just didn't specifically say it was by talents.
 
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Anyone who thinks Kyo is just quietly leaving for completely unrelated reasons in the middle of all this with there being no possibility of it being related is retarded.
"Bullying is just a rrat" we literally have proof of him running to his personal accounts to talk shit publicly about other talents and trying to rile a twitter mob against them

Airless said:
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https://www.anycolor.co.jp/en/ir
Anycolor released a new IR in response to the Selen termination. A whole two sentences
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"For Selen Tatsuki the day Nijisanji drove her to attempting suicide was a major life event. For Nijisanji it was a Tuesday."
 
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oh no its pipkun said:
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Correct, but try ordering one.
ChefKiss said:
Anyone who thinks Kyo is just quietly leaving for completely unrelated reasons in the middle of all this with there being no possibility of it being related is retarded.
"Bullying is just a rrat" we literally have proof of him running to his personal accounts to talk shit publicly about other talents and trying to rile a twitter mob against them
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Post the receipts. If Doki hasn't said "it was Kyo", witch hunting him is cringe ass /vt/ nigger shit.
 
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PyrrhicDefeat said:
We don't know that. Her statement on Twitter was open-ended enough to suggest the bullying could have come from management, without getting herself in further trouble and weakening any legal case she has against them. Niji were the ones who pointed the finger in the direction of the talents.
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As I stated, this is what ANYCOLOR said. You can choose to not believe them. But Selen did point to bullying as the reason for suicide attempt, she just didn't specify who bullied her. So there was bullying, according to her. The only question is who did it. Selen never stated who. Nijisanji claim that she complained about the talents bullying her. You can choose to believe Nijisanji lied about that. But you can't deny that this was their claim. And you also can't deny that both sides of this agree that bullying was in fact a complaint or factor.

The idea that the talents bully each other isn't some beyond the pale idea. Bullying is common in workplaces in general and its especially bad in Japanese work environments. We saw certain talents openly gang up on and thrown Zaion under the bus as she was being shown the door. They idea that they are bullying backbiters isn't something that should be looked at as weird or impossible.
 
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Think we'll get a new IR after this?
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https://x.com/HAMMERSKIMA?s=09

The Demon Pimp of Razgriz said:
As I stated, this is what ANYCOLOR said. You can choose to not believe them. But Selen did point to bullying as the reason for suicide attempt, she just didn't specify who bullied her. So there was bullying, according to her. The only question is who did it. Selen never stated who. Nijisanji claim that she complained about the talents bullying her. You can choose to believe Nijisanji lied about that. But you can't deny that this was their claim. And you also can't deny that both sides of this agree that bullying was in fact a complaint or factor.

The idea that the talents bully each other isn't some beyond the pale idea. Bullying is common in workplaces in general and its especially bad in Japanese work environments. We saw certain talents openly gang up on and thrown Zaion under the bus as she was being shown the door. They idea that they are bullying backbiters isn't something that should be looked at as weird or impossible.
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There's also not Pomu's tweet about how things are different than they were when she joined. The witch hunts and harassment are dumb but deflecting everything bad onto Nijisanji is pure cope
 
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ChefKiss said:
Anyone who thinks Kyo is just quietly leaving for completely unrelated reasons in the middle of all this with there being no possibility of it being related is retarded.
"Bullying is just a rrat" we literally have proof of him running to his personal accounts to talk shit publicly about other talents and trying to rile a twitter mob against them
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I'm not sure I follow the logic here. Why would Kyo be leaving, and on relatively good terms complete with a proper graduation. If he were the bully in question related to this incident. That would imply he was the wrongdoer, but also that he's leaving over it just because....?

A lot stronger case to be made about it relating to his own suspension over his Korean plastic surgery comments paired with the fact he never gave up on his clout chasing on his RM going and rubbing elbows with folks like the OfflineTV crew and such at twitchcon this year. Illuna has largely been a flop outside of like, Scarle managing to rake in a lot of donos coomerbaiting. And odds are Kyo just decided after that suspension that there's not enough to keep him with Niji when he could chase other opportunities on his RM.
 
bremer said:
The comfortists turned a blind eye over the Zaion/Sayu shitshow once already. You have to be on mega corpobrain to believe anything NijiNigger spews from now on.
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In that case, there was thinly veiled animosity between her and other talents. Even Matara made it clear she doesn't want to interact with her.
1. Neither of them follow each other on Twitter, Matara likely blocked her.
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The new termination certainly puts Zaion's into a new perspective and management came up with a lot of BS justifications, but she probably wasn't entirely blameless for that. She also regularly hangs out with dramatubers and interacts with haters - overall, not very stable behavior. So even people who saw through the unjust actions of management weren't in a rush to defend her.
The Demon Pimp of Razgriz said:
I mean, Anycolor themselves literally confirmed that this was a direct complaint Selen made to them in their termination letter. Why they would admit this, I don't know, but the only way you could still be skeptical about this is if you either believe Selen was lying about it when she complained, or you believe Niji was lying about her complaining about it. Selen herself also confirmed that there was bullying, she just didn't specifically say it was by talents.
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Niji did twist Zaion's words in a termination notice, though. So we have that precedent established.
https://twitter.com/NIJISANJI_World/status/1634147534795841536 - Termination notice
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Vj88APlsr4J_4PTxqNb5zyUli13fXupzdRmEjTI-bhw/edit - Sayu's response
'She claimed that she was being harassed by other livers due to mismanagement' might mean that she simply said 'Other talents attribute management's fuckups to me and accuse me of irresponsibility' or something minor like this.
Also, Selen is notoriously thin-skinned. She would often talk shit in Apex but start malding in response to others' bants. So what even constitutes selfharm-worthy bullying for her is up in the air. Guess we'll have to wait for Doki's stream for more details.
ChefKiss said:
Anyone who thinks Kyo is just quietly leaving for completely unrelated reasons in the middle of all this with there being no possibility of it being related is retarded.
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I can't believe Pomu also participated in bullying.
 
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I think if Sayu/Zaion end up collabing with Dokibird, it might lead to the bridge being repaired with Nina/Matara and Sayu/Zaion. There could be bad blood there because there's no doubt that when Zaion went through that, Nijimanagement gaslit their talents to turn on Zaion and it takes a lot to work through that deprogramming
 
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RedGermaine said:
I think if Sayu/Zaion end up collabing with Dokibird, it might lead to the bridge being repaired with Nina/Matara and Sayu/Zaion. There could be bad blood there because there's no doubt that when Zaion went through that, Nijimanagement gaslit their talents to turn on Zaion and it takes a lot to work through that deprogramming
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Nina is a gross tranny supporting sjw whose main streaming partner is a tranny. Zaion got fired for a rape joke, they're totally incompatible.

Also while sayu follows doki and reached out to her publicly doki doesnt follow sayu.
 
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