Disaster Family Who Died Trying to Live 'Off the Grid' Told Loved Ones About Their Plan: 'We Tried to Stop Them' - Before leaving, they "watched some YouTube videos" about "how to live off the grid," a family member said

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A family member of two sisters and a teen whose bodies were discovered "fairly mummified" in a remote Colorado campsite earlier this month said their deaths should serve as a warning: living in the wilderness without proper experience can be deadly.

On Tuesday, the Gunnison County Coroner's Office identified the individuals as Rebecca Vance, 42, Christine Vance, 41, as well as Rebecca’s 14-year-old son, according to a statement obtained by PEOPLE.

Trevala Jara, Rebecca and Christine's stepsister, told The Washington Post that the decision to "live off the grid" was made as Rebecca's fears about the world intensified.

"She didn’t like the way the world was going, and she thought it would be better if her and her son and Christine were alone, away from everybody," Jara, 39, told the newspaper. "She didn’t want the influences of the world to get to them. She really thought she was protecting her family."

Although Christine wasn't always planning on going, Jara told The New York Times she decided to come along "because she thought that if she was with them, they had a better chance of surviving."

“We tried to stop them. But they wouldn’t listen," she said while speaking with The Washington Post.

Not knowing where they planned on going, Jara told The Los Angeles Times that she asked Christine to send postcards to let her know they were safe, but the postcards never came.

Gunnison County Coroner Michael Barnes told The Colorado Sun that he believed that possibly malnutrition and "exposure to the elements" through a harsh winter last year contributed to their deaths, though current analyses on their cause of death are still pending.

The autopsy reports are still incomplete, and the office is awaiting a toxicology report, per The Los Angeles Times. Barnes also expressed concern about carbon monoxide poisoning, citing evidence that the family attempted to stay warm by burning materials, including vegetation in soup cans, inside their tent.

"At this point it appears that these three individuals began long term camping at the location near Gold Creek Campground in (approximately) mid-late July last Summer 2022 and attempted to stay through the winter," he told The Colorado Sun and CNN. He did not say when he believed they possibly could have died.

A hiker discovered one of the "heavily decomposed" bodies about 1,000 feet from a site near the Gold Creek Campground around 4:57 p.m. on June 9, according to the sheriff’s office. The bodies were discovered in a dark patch of timber, Gunnison County Sheriff Adam Murdie told The Colorado Sun.

The Gunnison County Sheriff’s Office went on to note that investigators “located the campsite and discovered two additional heavily decomposed deceased individuals within the campsite.”

Speaking with The New York Times, Jara said that Rebecca had "good intentions," but she was plagued with fears, which worsened during the pandemic.

"The fear overwhelmed her, most definitely," Jara told The Washington Post. "I did feel a shift in her."

Before they left, Jara told The Washington Post that the family "watched some YouTube videos" about "how to live off the grid" but had "no experience."

“YouTube and the internet is not enough,” Jara added while speaking with The Los Angeles Times.

She went on to tell the newspaper that she and her husband even tried to persuade them to use their RV and generator in the mountains as a test run. The idea appealed to Christine but not to Rebecca, who was certain they could "live on their own," Jara told the newspaper.

"[Rebecca] really thought she was saving her son and Christine by living by themselves and being off the grid," Jara added. "I really did not think it was going to get this far."

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Meanwhile, in the late-1950's a 12 year old boy ran away from his crowded family apartment in NYC and lived in a hollowed out tree in the Catskills for over a year. His only survival information came from reading books in the local public library, mostly to figure out how to take care of his pet falcon, and a lost English professor who taught him how to make a whistle.

Aside from one accidental carbon-monoxide poisoning in winter from making his home too airtight, he survived without serious issue and was so successful that his entire family eventually left their NYC apartment to move in with him at his treehouse, necessitating him to then move to the other side of the mountain to get away from them.

These women should've read his book.
 
Meanwhile, in the late-1950's a 12 year old boy ran away from his crowded family apartment in NYC and lived in a hollowed out tree in the Catskills for over a year. His only survival information came from reading books in the local public library, mostly to figure out how to take care of his pet falcon, and a lost English professor who taught him how to make a whistle.

Aside from one accidental carbon-monoxide poisoning in winter from making his home too airtight, he survived without serious issue and was so successful that his entire family eventually left their NYC apartment to move in with him at his treehouse, necessitating him to then move to the other side of the mountain to get away from them.

These women should've read his book.
My Side of the Mountain
Read it in middle school lol.

Exposure is a horrible way to go especially for the kid.
 
What @Sparkling Yuzu said about poop piles next to their tent; I was in shock. I mean, there's a reason cats cover up their poo, A cheap e-tool for digging a hole to put your waste in and then covering it up is something I learned in elementary school. I really felt sick, not because of the poo but because of the appalling lack of hygiene they had.

You can use chlorine bleach to disinfect drinking water, and there all sorts of ways to filter it that aren't expensive before you do. Since California is so earthquake prone we learned how to do this as kids. I'm really shocked so few people are aware of it. A friend of mine told me his great-aunt died in Yemen from the cholera epidemic which was spread by tainted water. "Didn't she boil the water? Use chlorine bleach to disinfect it before drinking it?" I had to explain it to him and forward a PP slide on using bleach if you need to disinfect water. @Ghoatse is right a lot of people just don't know these things anymore because they aren't relevant to us.
I'd heard of the bleach thing before too. Makes sense, a lot of public supplies get chlorinated. But I'm sure lots of normies would go "durrr u drink bleach like donnie blurmpft"
 
Meanwhile, in the late-1950's a 12 year old boy ran away from his crowded family apartment in NYC and lived in a hollowed out tree in the Catskills for over a year. His only survival information came from reading books in the local public library, mostly to figure out how to take care of his pet falcon, and a lost English professor who taught him how to make a whistle.

Aside from one accidental carbon-monoxide poisoning in winter from making his home too airtight, he survived without serious issue and was so successful that his entire family eventually left their NYC apartment to move in with him at his treehouse, necessitating him to then move to the other side of the mountain to get away from them.

These women should've read his book.
Was My Side Of The Mountain by Jean George based on a true story? I always thought it was just a made up novel.
 
I bet they set up camp in a basin. That kills tons of people every year. Turns out that cold air doesn't escape a basin.
Yeah, a frost hollow makes sense. Way colder than people expect, can get frost even in summer. Trees usually don't grow in them because of the cold, so people set up camp in the "clearing", not realizing it's empty for a reason.

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Powerlevel but I've had giardia and as I experienced it, it was a 48-hour shidding crisis.

I shit until there was nothing left to shit, and then I kept on shitting.

You ever dump a giant load of shit-smelling watery mucous in your pants? I have.

You ever been in a situation where you know you need lots of water and some salty food and you make yourself consume said things even though you know they're coming right out the other end? I have.

I can get how in the dead of winter, going 30 feet from the tent, scratching out a cathole in the frozen ground, and shitting in it once every half an hour for 48 hours was maybe not a priority for three people who were in real danger of shitting themselves to death.

You need to USE YOUR HEAD.

 
It's also a lot of work to cut wood for a floor. walls and even just a few steps. You need a stove and pipe for a chimney. Thing you have to buy, and know what to buy, and then know how to fit it into your little shack.
There's a not-insignificant population of rural Americans still reliant on wood stoves for heat. Poor piping and maintenance is a huge issue among these people. Carbon monoxide is a killer and makes you too stupid/crazy to realize what's happening.
You can use chlorine bleach to disinfect drinking water, and there all sorts of ways to filter it that aren't expensive before you do. Since California is so earthquake prone we learned how to do this as kids. I'm really shocked so few people are aware of it. A friend of mine told me his great-aunt died in Yemen from the cholera epidemic which was spread by tainted water. "Didn't she boil the water? Use chlorine bleach to disinfect it before drinking it?" I had to explain it to him and forward a PP slide on using bleach if you need to disinfect water. @Ghoatse is right a lot of people just don't know these things anymore because they aren't relevant to us.
Bleach is nice if you have it, even if it makes it taste not-great. A one-foot column of sand is one of the best particulate filters one can get. Create a charcoal layer and you're approaching lab-levels of filtration you need RO to rival. Pair it with boiling and you should be more than adequately covered.
Meanwhile, in the late-1950's a 12 year old boy ran away from his crowded family apartment in NYC and lived in a hollowed out tree in the Catskills for over a year. His only survival information came from reading books in the local public library, mostly to figure out how to take care of his pet falcon, and a lost English professor who taught him how to make a whistle.

Aside from one accidental carbon-monoxide poisoning in winter from making his home too airtight, he survived without serious issue and was so successful that his entire family eventually left their NYC apartment to move in with him at his treehouse, necessitating him to then move to the other side of the mountain to get away from them.

These women should've read his book.
>I drink some water to make my stomach swell so I'm not so hungry
They should've read hatchet and a lot of Will Hobbs too.
 
This is less about self-sufficiency being dangerous and more two retarded bints killing a teenager and themselves (because they were retarded)

I'm sure if you left their bathtub filled, how to make beautiful crystals from bleach or any uncovered outlets they'd have figured out how to end up dead too, it's just that this was how the dice fell.
 
I'd heard of the bleach thing before too. Makes sense, a lot of public supplies get chlorinated. But I'm sure lots of normies would go "durrr u drink bleach like donnie blurmpft"
The amount of bleach to add to water to purify it is exceedingly small too, a person has to be very careful and it has to be pure bleach and not something with extra laundry chemicals thrown in. You're generally better off boiling or using pre-measured iodine tablets if you can, much less likely to poison yourself that way. But if you're out of options, yes, grab that bleach. It's preferable to shitting yourself to death with beaver fever.
 
Meanwhile, in the late-1950's a 12 year old boy ran away from his crowded family apartment in NYC and lived in a hollowed out tree in the Catskills for over a year. His only survival information came from reading books in the local public library, mostly to figure out how to take care of his pet falcon, and a lost English professor who taught him how to make a whistle.

Aside from one accidental carbon-monoxide poisoning in winter from making his home too airtight, he survived without serious issue and was so successful that his entire family eventually left their NYC apartment to move in with him at his treehouse, necessitating him to then move to the other side of the mountain to get away from them.

These women should've read his book.
He has a book? Who is this magical little leprechaun?
 
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