Disaster Family Who Died Trying to Live 'Off the Grid' Told Loved Ones About Their Plan: 'We Tried to Stop Them' - Before leaving, they "watched some YouTube videos" about "how to live off the grid," a family member said

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A family member of two sisters and a teen whose bodies were discovered "fairly mummified" in a remote Colorado campsite earlier this month said their deaths should serve as a warning: living in the wilderness without proper experience can be deadly.

On Tuesday, the Gunnison County Coroner's Office identified the individuals as Rebecca Vance, 42, Christine Vance, 41, as well as Rebecca’s 14-year-old son, according to a statement obtained by PEOPLE.

Trevala Jara, Rebecca and Christine's stepsister, told The Washington Post that the decision to "live off the grid" was made as Rebecca's fears about the world intensified.

"She didn’t like the way the world was going, and she thought it would be better if her and her son and Christine were alone, away from everybody," Jara, 39, told the newspaper. "She didn’t want the influences of the world to get to them. She really thought she was protecting her family."

Although Christine wasn't always planning on going, Jara told The New York Times she decided to come along "because she thought that if she was with them, they had a better chance of surviving."

“We tried to stop them. But they wouldn’t listen," she said while speaking with The Washington Post.

Not knowing where they planned on going, Jara told The Los Angeles Times that she asked Christine to send postcards to let her know they were safe, but the postcards never came.

Gunnison County Coroner Michael Barnes told The Colorado Sun that he believed that possibly malnutrition and "exposure to the elements" through a harsh winter last year contributed to their deaths, though current analyses on their cause of death are still pending.

The autopsy reports are still incomplete, and the office is awaiting a toxicology report, per The Los Angeles Times. Barnes also expressed concern about carbon monoxide poisoning, citing evidence that the family attempted to stay warm by burning materials, including vegetation in soup cans, inside their tent.

"At this point it appears that these three individuals began long term camping at the location near Gold Creek Campground in (approximately) mid-late July last Summer 2022 and attempted to stay through the winter," he told The Colorado Sun and CNN. He did not say when he believed they possibly could have died.

A hiker discovered one of the "heavily decomposed" bodies about 1,000 feet from a site near the Gold Creek Campground around 4:57 p.m. on June 9, according to the sheriff’s office. The bodies were discovered in a dark patch of timber, Gunnison County Sheriff Adam Murdie told The Colorado Sun.

The Gunnison County Sheriff’s Office went on to note that investigators “located the campsite and discovered two additional heavily decomposed deceased individuals within the campsite.”

Speaking with The New York Times, Jara said that Rebecca had "good intentions," but she was plagued with fears, which worsened during the pandemic.

"The fear overwhelmed her, most definitely," Jara told The Washington Post. "I did feel a shift in her."

Before they left, Jara told The Washington Post that the family "watched some YouTube videos" about "how to live off the grid" but had "no experience."

“YouTube and the internet is not enough,” Jara added while speaking with The Los Angeles Times.

She went on to tell the newspaper that she and her husband even tried to persuade them to use their RV and generator in the mountains as a test run. The idea appealed to Christine but not to Rebecca, who was certain they could "live on their own," Jara told the newspaper.

"[Rebecca] really thought she was saving her son and Christine by living by themselves and being off the grid," Jara added. "I really did not think it was going to get this far."

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My Side of the Mountain might as well be literary canon for making a capable man out of a boy. Pair with Hatchet to really drill in the message. Not survivalist but just as important: Where the Red Fern Grows.
Where the Red Fern Grows BROKE me.

Summer of the Monkeys made me cry at the end but it was more like happy crying.
 
Here's the thing, before anyone decides to just walk into the woods and live there indefinitely, try it for a weekend. Go camping. Park the car, and live entirely by your wits. Find and make shelter, start a fire, figure out how to get food and water, and all the rest of that without outside support. You can even park at the campsite, you just can't have access to anything in the car or that you can't carry in on your back in a rucksack. Then make it a week. Then two weeks. If you can't go two weeks without outside support, how can you possibly go years on end?

At the very least start small. Start in the spring by planting a good sized garden and start building your cabin because a tent or lean-to isn't going to cut it long term. It doesn't even need to be a full time thing. Just show up and work on this as a weekend project until winter, then hang it up until the following spring. As you go, do with a little bit less outside stuff each time. But if you find you can't find and purify water while you're just doing this part time, you have no hope of doing this long term.

It does astound me how many people aren't thinking about how they are going to do stuff like pay their property taxes or go into town and buy food or go to the doctor or pay for a PO Box or buy seeds for farming or even buy paper and stamps to write to loved ones. I guess they figure the good fairies are going to handle that stuff. The fantasy is to just walk into the woods and never need to walk back out, but the reality is even the most cloistered of hermits still need to interact with the outside world once in a while.

One of the best pieces of advice I ever heard was from a survival-at-sea instructor who said "before you go out in your boat, spend three days in your backyard in your life raft. If you can't make it work there, you will die at sea if anything goes wrong."
 
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Even Uncle Ted picked up supplies from time to time.
There was a pretty good doco about him a year or so ago and I hadn't realized that his neighbor was kind of a country hoarder who had all kinds of electrical shit that Uncle Ted just wandered over and helped himself to.

Pretty easy to be a self-sufficient hermit all alone in the woods when you can just steal shit from your neighbors.
 
Surprisingly these chicks were actually half Slavic half Korean not Mexican. They do look Mexican if you didn't know though.
I thought they were half-Southeast Asian and half European.

A couple decades ago a local kid tried to impress his girlfriend with amazing survival sklls, rode a train into the farthest patch of forest he could find and bult a lean-to. In winter.
Ultimate cuck.
Gets frozen into an human popsicle while his girlfriend is now with another guy.

Exposure is a horrible way to go especially for the kid.
The boy was the only one who was worth a damn.
A real shame.
 
Christopher Knight went bush with very little planning... but he ended up setting shop very close to a small town and raided it semi frequently. Another thing is that an adult male is much physically stronger than a woman or an early adolescent male. Some individual women are very strong, certainly, but if you're trying to build a life alone in the bush, you really want that Y chromosome muscular and skeletal system.

What happened to the two women and the boy is that the dominant personality in a folie à deux had a psychotic break and took her sister and son with her. The Kyle Hates Hiking channel did a video on their deaths, and he notes that the nail in their coffin was the rangers finding their car, designating it as abandoned, and then removing it. After that there was no way out.
 
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I remember another family that tried to live off the grid - most of this family was killed, although not by nature.

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It seems that living seperately is dangerous for one's health - whether that be from nature itself or from bureaucracies.

People must stick together if they are to survive - don't go off on your own, it's too dangerous.
Wait.....Ruby Ridge? Shit was wack. Its still haunting to me the infrared scanner pic of the wife standing outside arms crossed, almost as if she's waiting and knows they're doomed.
 
There was a pretty good doco about him a year or so ago and I hadn't realized that his neighbor was kind of a country hoarder who had all kinds of electrical shit that Uncle Ted just wandered over and helped himself to.

Pretty easy to be a self-sufficient hermit all alone in the woods when you can just steal shit from your neighbors.
He was really careful to use really generic and often old parts that couldn't be traced. If you tried to do what he did just buying stuff from Wal-Mart you'd probably soon be caught.
 
That is the part that I find very odd. Did they not hear the massive tow truck coming into their area to tow the car away?
I daresay that either they were still under the dominant sister's control and were convinced that they would die of covid if they had contact with strangers, or else were too far away to hear.

Mentally ill people lack a lot of intellectual capacity, even if they are usually very smart people. It's almost impossible to reach someone who is suffering from paranoia and get them to understand that it's all in their head. And if that paranoid individual has sway over others, and manages to isolate them, well, that's what a cult is.
 
What's the lesson? Americans cannot survive without access to corn syrup.

It's not even that cold in Colorado, can still make a dugout house without too much difficulty.
Up where I think they were it's rocky and the ground freezes pretty good. Old timers didn't bury people up there until late spring if they died in winter. In any case those two weren't up to the manual labor a dugout house would take, that's for sure.
 
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