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[WelperHelper99]

going to half-disagree with you. Sperging in spoiler

Spoiler: Car-Towing Sperging

The cars are built to be able take their rated loads. Both the frame rails and towing bars have enough metal where they connect that I am willing to trust claimed weight ratings. The brakes and radiator are typically appropriately sized. Even if the North American version of the car is not appropriately equipped, one can usually import the appropriate parts (brakes, radiators, tow bar, brake controller, etc) from Europe, and it will all bolt right up without issue.

I've seen light towing with a small European car done properly. And doing it properly means either accepting lower weight limits than the European ones, or slowing the fuck down. Or both.

You are, however, completely correct about ride quality. There's no escaping physics. When towing, the trailer will push and pull on the tow vehicle. A car is built to haul people first and cargo second, and will typically have a light, soft suspension that's nice and comfortable when lightly loaded, but gets uncomfortable when near its limit. A truck is built to haul cargo first and people second, and will typically have a much beefier suspension that isn't as comfortable as a car, but doesn't go to shit when made to do heavy work.

Exactly. Use the proper tool for the job. Using a light trailer behind a car to help a friend move a mattress and bed frame across town is fine. That's within the safe limits of a car's capability. If you're hauling a boat out to a mountain lake for the weekend, use a truck like a civilized human.

Really it's as you said, use the right tool for the job. Even if a euro car is TECHNICALLY capable of pulling a boat, I sure wouldn't want to. It's like taking the governor off a M1 Abrams and going it's max theoretical speed of 60 MPH: you are going to feel like a rag doll in the dryer at the end even if the tank is fine.

 

[LaxerBRO]

Except that never happened. The "conspiracy" was just collusion with auto manufacturers that when the local transit companies inevitably switched to buses, they'd buy buses from Mack Trucks, tires from Firestone, and so on.

The whole argument presented by Bradford Snell in the 1970s was largely fictitious, even Wikipedia agrees but to urbanists, this is core dogma.

But I watched, Who Framed Roger Rabbit!

 

[quaawaa]

Apparently car-centric urban design makes Indians self-deport:


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[DavidS877]

Apparently car-centric urban design makes Indians self-deport:
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For Reference:
India:

United States:

 

[Lobster Cult High Priest]

Apparently car-centric urban design makes Indians self-deport:
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Lol at you can relax being stuffed like sardines onto a Pajeet bus or train.

 

[Buttigieg2020]

Apparently car-centric urban design makes Indians self-deport:
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“Driving a moped is safe and cheap.”

50,000 a year in two-wheeled fatalities in India.
In comparison, in the US last year there were 5000 motorcyclist and 1000 cyclist fatalities.

It is massively more unsafe to be on the road in India on a two wheeled vehicle than the in US.


The total number of car related fatalities in the US last year was 42,000.
In India it was 168,000.
This would actually be proportional, except only 8% of people in India regularly use cars, in comparison to 90% in the US.

Getting on an Indian road is literally begging to get flattened by someone.

 

[Free the Pedos]

Apparently car-centric urban design makes Indians self-deport:
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He's probably sad he can't rape women on public transport with impunity like back home.

 

[quaawaa]

He's probably sad he can't rape women on public transport with impunity like back home.

He doesn't appear to be having much luck with women:



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The /r/fuckcars post is the only one he's made outside of /r/arrangedmarriage.

 

[LaxerBRO]

Apparently car-centric urban design makes Indians self-deport:
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Are people idiots or have they never seen how people drive in India?

Also, I very much doubt he is using PPP for his comparison or factoring in things like insurance or standards.

 

[S.C.U.D.]

“Driving a moped is safe and cheap.”
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50,000 a year in two-wheeled fatalities in India.
In comparison, in the US last year there were 5000 motorcyclist and 1000 cyclist fatalities.

It is massively more unsafe to be on the road in India on a two wheeled vehicle than the in US.


The total number of car related fatalities in the US last year was 42,000.
In India it was 168,000.
This would actually be proportional, except only 8% of people in India regularly use cars, in comparison to 90% in the US.

Getting on an Indian road is literally begging to get flattened by someone.

Great excuse to post one of my favorite videos ever:

Indians are insanely retarded when it comes to roads whether they're in bikes, cars, tractors, or trucks. There are accidents and debris everywhere. I'm surprised the urbanist brigade doesn't use India more as a bad faith unfair comparison to show why cars are soooo bad.

 

[Return of the Freaker]

I'm surprised the urbanist brigade doesn't use India more as a bad faith unfair comparison to show why cars are soooo bad.

They can't because that would make heckin wholesome peeohsees look bad

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/a28506476/ford-electric-f150-train-tow-physics-explained/ is a good explanation of why you can “tow” something that you damn well shouldn’t. Being able to get a load moving has nothing to do with being able to maneuver it safely and stop efficiently.

People who don’t understand this shouldn’t be allowed a trailer hitch.

 

[WelperHelper99]

“Driving a moped is safe and cheap.”
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50,000 a year in two-wheeled fatalities in India.
In comparison, in the US last year there were 5000 motorcyclist and 1000 cyclist fatalities.

It is massively more unsafe to be on the road in India on a two wheeled vehicle than the in US.


The total number of car related fatalities in the US last year was 42,000.
In India it was 168,000.
This would actually be proportional, except only 8% of people in India regularly use cars, in comparison to 90% in the US.

Getting on an Indian road is literally begging to get flattened by someone.

Most Indians can't drive yet fatalities are higher. Truly the poos have one over the urban hellscape that is the US. How they landed a probe on the moon is anyone's guess.

He doesn't appear to be having much luck with women:

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The /r/fuckcars post is the only one he's made outside of /r/arrangedmarriage.

This Indian man is literally the Bob's and vagene meme. Lmao. Fuckcars posters in a nutshell

 

[Rubick]

Anyone who went to Spain via Pyrenees towing either a caravan or a boat will tell you even a top range C segment car will struggle there. Never mind VAN's.

Last time i went through there was with my girlfriends fathers range rover with a 4,2 L V8, towing a caravan, ended up 2/3'rd of the way with faded brakes and a cooling system that was about to go. In the first gear the land rover barely could pull the caravan up a hill.

Never again.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Anyone who went to Spain via Pyrenees towing either a caravan or a boat will tell you even a top range C segment car will struggle there. Never mind VAN's.

Last time i went through there was with my girlfriends fathers range rover with a 4,2 L V8, towing a caravan, ended up 2/3'rd of the way with faded brakes and a cooling system that was about to go. In the first gear the land rover barely could pull the caravan up a hill.

Never again.

Is it the humidity or elevation? A 4.2 L v8 isn't small.

 

[Rubick]

Is it the humidity or elevation? A 4.2 L v8 isn't small.

It was a very hot day not humid though. Some hills are pretty fucking steep there.


Also, i believe it was a jag V8 that those Land Rovers used at that time. Certainly felt like a jag V8. And those engines are pretty fucking anemic without superchargers. Up there with early Audi V8's.

Not the first time going through the Pyrenees. Been there with a old Benz(no problem) and a Ivaco Daily which also was a nightmare. Though it was a very overloaded(I was helping to move a friend), low spec engine Ivaco.

 

[WelperHelper99]

It was a very hot day not humid though. Some hills are pretty fucking steep there.


Also, i believe it was a jag V8 that those Land Rovers used at that time. Certainly felt like a jag V8. And those engines are pretty fucking anemic without superchargers. Up there with early Audi V8's.

Not the first time going through the Pyrenees. Been there with a old Benz(no problem) and a Ivaco Daily which also was a nightmare. Though it was a very overloaded(I was helping to move a friend), low spec engine Ivaco.

Ah. Heat, steep hills, and while a BIG V8, not nessicarily powerful. Very... British. You probably only had torque as any advantage. My dad has a old 1978 F150. Because of all the 70s environmental regulation, it's power is absolute shit. Really it's suspension and torque carries it.

 

[anklyscr]

Anyone who went to Spain via Pyrenees towing either a caravan or a boat will tell you even a top range C segment car will struggle there. Never mind VAN's.

Last time i went through there was with my girlfriends fathers range rover with a 4,2 L V8, towing a caravan, ended up 2/3'rd of the way with faded brakes and a cooling system that was about to go. In the first gear the land rover barely could pull the caravan up a hill.

Never again.

Sure it wasn’t just breaking down?

You know being a Land Rover and all.

 

[CEO of Gay]

It was a very hot day not humid though. Some hills are pretty fucking steep there.

I looked it up. The Pyrenees have a peak elevation of over 3400+ meters or 11,000+ feet. Not only are those hills steep, they're getting rather high up. Any naturally aspirated engine, no matter how powerful it is at low elevations, will lose more and more power the higher the elevation. So if the engine didn't make that much power to begin with, best of luck when it starts to run out of breath.

One thing that people who have never towed, especially ones who've never driven through mountains fail to appreciate, is just how much power it takes to climb steep grades. The r/fuckcars faggots look out the bus window and see cars zooming about so effortlessly on the city's flat roads. They think to themselves, "So wasteful. Nobody needs that. They're killing the planet." If these faggots commute on bicycles like they claim, they sure as shit are avoiding any hills. Check out a web forum or subreddit focused around bicycling and you'll find complaints about the difficulty of climbing even moderate grades. I actually have some respect for the bike autists who will ride a bike and small bike trailier loaded with camping gear up a mountain pass. Those crazy fuckers are in seriously good shape to be able to do so.

Spoiler: Retarded hypothetical example

Let's take a small car that r/fuckcars thinks should be fine for hauling a boat, like say, a 2015 Ford Focus. The 2015 Ford Focus SE came with a 160 hp 2.0 liter engine, and a curb weight of 2932 lbs. Let's assume two passengers, a man and a woman with a combined weight of 350 lbs. Finally, lets assume they have 18 lbs of cargo in the car, because that satisfies my autism and brings the combined total wight of the car, passengers & cargo to a nice, even 3300 lbs.

On a (mostly) flat grade, the car will need about 16-17 horsepower to overcome rolling and wind resistance, and maintain a steady cruising speed of 60 mph. Now, once the car starts going up a 10% grade, it will need an extra 56-57 horsepower to maintain that 60 mph.

But our little Ford Focus' 2.0 liter engine can make 160 horsepower, so it should be just fine, right? Maybe. It will lose power climbing up a mountain, possibly up to 50 hp as it crests the 11000+ ft of the Pyrenees Mountains. 110 hp is still more than the 74 hp needed to climb a 10% grade at 60 mph, so it should have enough power to accelerate and pass safely, but the engine is going to get hot when doing so. With the thinner air at higher altitudes, the engine is running less efficiently and making more waste heat. Also because of the thinner air, the radiator can't get rid of all that waste heat easily.

Okay, now let's add 2400 lbs for the boat and trailer (European max towing rating). Now at a combined total weight of 5700 lbs, our little Ford Focus will need almost 98 HP to climb a 10% grade at 60 mph, just for the weight alone. Remember the 16-17 HP needed for rolling and wind resistance at 60 mph, and realize the combined total power needed to maintain 60 mph is going to be about 114-115 hp. Out of 110 hp available as the car crests the summit. That poor little car is going to struggle to crest the hill, overheating badly. The overheating is going to cost even more power as the ECU reduces power to try to prevent permanent damage, and it is unlikely that they will be able to maintain 60 mph.

(Source: I am a faggot on the Internet who can find car specs and online calculators with Google, and combine the two to create retarded numbers.)

Given just how much extra power it can take to haul a heavy load up a steep grade, I am not surprised the Land Rover @Rubick borrowed struggled to haul a caravan over the Pyrenees on a hot day. And the faggots on r/fuckcars want to tow boats and snowmobiles and other cars with European sedans and hatchbacks?

Lol. Lamo, even.

 

[Midwit]

The 2015 Ford Focus SE came with a 160 hp 2.0 liter engine

Bear in mind that that engine wasn't used for European markets, most Focuses of that generation would be using a 1.0 Ecoboost or a 1.6 Duratorq, both of which would likely only be making around 100hp and by your own calcs wouldn't even be able to make those grades.