Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

[SubarashiiRage]

Apart from the villains, Pentious was the only character with more focus among the "recurring characters"

Cherri is no longer essential to Angel's arc, Husk has taken her place, and she is treated as an obstacle to his recovery
Mimzy was a joke that only served to extend the episode and ended with no one wanting her to stay.
Baxter is promoted from silhouette to cameo, but other than that he is a non-entity
Crymini, no one knows if she is still canonical or just a collective hallucination.

Hell, even Pentious we know nothing about him and he's already considered redeemed, I doubt more people wouldn't have a problem with this if he turned out to be a wife beater or a robber baron who abused his workers>
Nothing that led him to Hell was addressed in the show, which I would think would be the main point in the redemption process, but no.

 

[doodoocaca]

And I kind of want him to be a himbo....voiced by Zachary Levi...with Charlie being voiced by Mandy Moore...and now I just want this to be Tangled.

If we see Helsa she's going to be Regina George except with all her animation budget spent on the squid dreadlocks for one scene only. Sigh.

Personally I just want Hitler to have a cameo standing in the background in a maid outfit, holding a pineapple

I wanted Gomez Lucifer and Morticia Lilith. Relationships. Between characters.
I wanted Charlie to act like she's nobility, raised by the fuckmothering devil, and the mother of fuck, Lilith. Even if she's a cinnamon roll most of the time, the devil's offspring should be spicier than a ghost pepper when it's called for. We got cucked out of a good king and queen of hell here, and Charlie's heat level in the pilot maxed out at a jalapeno at best.
Imagine if Vaggie showed why Charlie cared for her in particular among the billions in the pit. "She wears the pants in the relationship" - ok, classic case of someone under high pressure leaning on someone else. Show it? Show Charlie's pressure? Show what Vaggie does except say "hey babe" in a rushed fight? Nah, we're just told outside of the show, which shows Charlie as a do-nothing trust fund kid.

Some kind of female sexuality at all among all the gay male melodrama would have been nice but lol, female characters even if a woman writes them, amirite? Interesting sexuality at all would have been great, but, yanno, fujo rape uwu. Seems like the only woman getting wet in this show is Nifty when she's stabbing or cleaning.

How the fuck do you make a show in a laissez-faire Hell so fucking sexless, then get Tumblr Approval™ when it's ultimately rapey as shit? Oh yeah, all those people ever get off to is porn.

I haven't rewatched yet, since there's a lot I've forgotten or not noticed given the Cocoamelon pacing, but did Angel really deal with his addiction or his hypersexual coping behavior? Did he wake Charlie up in the show? We saw that Instagram picture of her looking tired and haggard, why isn't this in the show? The crux of Charlie as a person, hinted at from the prequel comic (again, not in the show, also the comic is just gone now) as a kind person who wants to heal people hasn't really been shown, unless it was a jump cut I missed.

It's probably going to be that Adam lives through Lute or something.

Punished Adam would be great.

Time to conclude this shit. I get "you have to stick to your vision" and you can't make a story by committee. I get it. YOU STILL NEED EDITORS AND BETA READERS. There's so much hinted at that people really wanted to see, or was shown in glimmers here and there, and then nothing. But Alastor said fuck!

 

[InJailOutSoon]

You know Vaggie being a fall angel brings up something: wouldn't she know that the hotel for redeeming Sinners to go to Heaven would be....kind of pointless? Like, she has firsthand experience that the angels up there would not allow it.

Or maybe she doesn't know, cause no one in Heaven knows how someone gets to Heaven. And the angels have no control on who is allowed in Heaven because Pentious can just randomly appear in the room where Sera and Emily are with no check-in process...

My god, this show just keeps getting dumber and dumber when you put in the least minimum of critical thought into it.

 

[Roger Dennis]

And I kind of want him to be a himbo....voiced by Zachary Levi...with Charlie being voiced by Mandy Moore...and now I just want this to be Tangled.

I think Viv has actually said that Charlie is at least partially inspired by Rapunzel from Tangled. To be honest, I can see the resemblance, right down to the singing. I also see some Elsa in there.

 

[Android raptor]

If Charlie was an all-powerful badass from the start you know damn well people would call her a Mary Sue.

I kinda hope Nifty kills Val. Nifty for the kill streak.

 

[doodoocaca]

If Charlie was an all-powerful badass from the start you know damn well people would call her a Mary Sue.

I kinda hope Nifty kills Val. Nifty for the kill streak.

How to write all powerful characters well by having a moral code and putting them into positions to make hard moral choices is a well trodden path, but that isn't even the issue. It's not a matter of "she didn't go to some bullshit magic school or do training", it's that she's passive and boring. The pilot did it better. She had a temper, she didn't like putting up with awful people, and she set people on fire and had a brawl on live TV.

In the series she's a pushover, almost gets pissed at Val but does nothing, and then Mary Sues at the end of ep 8.

I kinda hope Nifty kills Val. Nifty for the kill streak.

He deserves worse lol

 

[The Marlboro Man]

A fan recently met Viv and asked her about Adam.
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If this isn't a misdirect, what a waste of a character. Adam has so much backstory significance for Lucifer, Lilith/maybe Eve in disguise, and Vaggie. There are so many ways to play off of those built-in relationships both comedically and with actual pathos. Instead Adam gets the episode where he reveals Vaggie's backstory, one fight with Lucifer, then dies unceremoniously. Come on Vivzie, you already had these character dynamics, at least do something with them!

 

[goodbudweiser]

Viv & HH crew doing a Q&A can someone re-upload it?

 

[doodoocaca]

Viv & HH crew doing a Q&A can someone re-upload it?

Good god, Vivz sticks out compared to professional actors and actually grown up adults in the entertainment industry.

The Freddie Mercury looking mofo on the right lol is hilarious though, lol.

He does NOT want to be there

 

[Prophetic Spirit]

Good god, Vivz sticks out compared to professional actors and actually grown up adults in the entertainment industry.

The Freddie Mercury looking mofo on the right lol is hilarious though, lol.

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He does NOT want to be there

What a time to be alive.
Freddy Mercury never died, just dissapeared for a long time ago, and now he revived from the ashes from Hell itself.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Highlights I grabbed from /co/ of the stream

>They acknowledged the Val fangirl simping, his actor seemingly finds it funny and said "Val loves you too, baby" but is largely extremely happy that he managed to pull off a "love to hate and hate to love villail
>Lute's actor was weirded out by having to stand in the studio and do battle grunts for the final fight.
>Viv once again identifies mostly with Charlie and Vaggie but there's a bit of her in everyone, jokingly compared her intelligence to the eggboys.
>When asked different character birthdays, Viv declined to comment because she once got angels birthday wrong from what she previously said and caused a massive flame war. Lute and Charlie said to be Libras for their astrological sign.
>VAs talk about who they wanna learn more about. Lute, St. Peter, and Zestial were the serious frontrunners.
>Viv had only said Zestial should have some kind of reverb but apparently the sound editor was given freedom for how it would work and surprised her with how well it ended up

>They're talking about Alastor's asexuality and the joy it brought Blake with how many aroace people have thanked him for the portrayal. Viv confirms that while Alastor is aroace, he doesn't even know what the label is, which is why he didn't react to the Ace in a Hole.
>Angel Dust was named because sounds like both a drag queen and pornstar name, Alastor was picked because it looks cool, Lute is short for "lieutenant" but was a placeholder name that Viv decided worked well, same with Fizzaroli apparently, Valentino was named for Viv's childhood family cat. Viv was looking for a character to name after him and felt it fit his fancy demeanor. Charlie was just viv liking the name.
>"What would your character's favorite candy or fruit be". Charlie is fun dip or baby bottle pop. Valentino likes tootsie pops and mangos. Lute is incredibly based and likes Red Hots and fireballs because she's trying to feel something.
>the cast wants to do an Alastor and Nifty duet.. Viv approves Alastor and Nifty as a ship, Blake wants a Lute solo, Joel wants a "fucked up" Val and Angel dust duet, everyone wants a Charlie and Lilith duet.

>Lute's actor defines her as "having walls up" and says that those walls came down when Adam died, she felt herself getting upset in the studio because she was so invested in the performance there. The rest don't really say much we didn't already know here
>They attempt to improv acapellas of songs. Then talk about the song work in the show. Do a clap along acapella of Lute's verse from You Didn't Know.

>Loser Baby sing along for a few seconds. Charlie's You didn't know verse
>Vox and Val aren't dating but have high sexual tension. Velvette's dynamic with the Vees is that they're sorta her father figures, sorta her friends, and she's a third wheel to them. She's also the brains and the glue of the group. The "backbone of the Vees".
>Charlie and Angel's VAs do a trust fall after everyone talks about which characters they'd all get along with best.
>Recording for season 2 has started.
>Ends on them singing Pentious's verse from Starts with Sorry.

 

[The handsome tard]

Well, its my hope that this thing shines like a star and sooner than later burns like one. Nothing this uncreative and contrived deserves to go on.

Highest rated cartoon premiere on Amazon, I shit you not, enjoy the depression.

That doesnt mean anything if it those numbers go down hard long term. Invincible will outlast it in terms of viewership for sure.

It helps Invincible didnt blow through its narrative load already on its first season.

As disappointed as I am at how this show turned out, I’ll actually feel really sorry for my friend. He was the one who introduced me to HB and HH. He likes HB, even with its flaws, but he was so hyped for HH. The pilot made it look decent.

Watching his reaction to the poor writing won’t even be funny. It’ll just be depressing.

I think some here can related to your friend. Some people legit had some hopes for Hazbin, if not at least for what it meant for the indie animation scene because it meant that you could "make it" and not relay on mega corporations that will, most often than not, backstab you and steal your vision.

 

[Prophetic Spirit]

Some people legit had some hopes for Hazbin, if not at least for what it meant for the indie animation scene because it meant that you could "make it" and not relay on mega corporations that will, most often than not, backstab you and steal your vision.

That's the reason why i always see this piece of crap is projected by morons who still believe in fairy tales and such.

 

[Gender: Xenomorph]

I think some here can related to your friend. Some people legit had some hopes for Hazbin, if not at least for what it meant for the indie animation scene because it meant that you could "make it" and not relay on mega corporations that will, most often than not, backstab you and steal your vision.

Then viz had to fuck it all up...

 

[doodoocaca]

What a time to be alive.
Freddy Mercury never died, just dissapeared for a long time ago, and now he revived from the ashes from Hell itself.

What did Freddy Mercury do to anyone to deserve putting up with a fat fujo making him voice a rapist mosquito demon man and have the voice coaching of a middle school play?

>Charlie is a Libra

I wish Vivz had some fucking range with her musical taste, and covers or homages were a thing, instead of very broadway-ey pop-like numbers, but that's just how it is, isn't it?.

3 Libras would match Pilot!Charlie to a fucking T, while Angel would be well met by more songs from APC than I could think of naming. Fucksake, I can hear Angel singing Rose to that montage of Val abusing him if I close my eyes and concentrate for a split second. Maynard sang a lot like a woman for that song for obvious reasons.

Then there's Lilith singing Rev 22:20 if she's actually a singer in season two, but that would require a woman being sexy, which is a nono for Vivz. Carina Round's cover, holy fuck lol.

Is there such a thing as a 'musical' that isn't just that one pop-like style of stage-style song? I'd really love that if that existed.

 

[Retink Retunk]

It helps Invincible didnt blow through its narrative load already on its first season.

They're also scraping the bottom of character design and while I like a lot of the songs, some are downright shit and those are becoming more often. The Lucifer vs. Alaster one was good until Mimzy which killed it, and the Out for Love one was absolute shit. I think season 2 has a high chance of being a disaster at this point.

 

[id Tech 5]

I think all of you will disagree, but Drac is someone who could legitimately snoot game Hell Boss if he really wanted to.

It's degenerate porn but its written hilariously

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[goodbudweiser]

Stream highlights

Or that, that'll do.

 

[jspit2.0]

Then viz had to fuck it all up...

Well, the problem is, anyone who gets successful isn't just accepted in, the gatekeepers control basic platforms. Funding. There's realistically little hop unless you check the prog stack list.

which translates to what we got with Hazbin. It was never going to be subversive, but even as prog prop it falls due to the same chilling impact of fag taste makers and sex pests.

Your lead, forced into an inorganic and uninteresting dyke romance? Oh that's because shipping from your staff. An episode that actually deals with the humanity of a protagonist in sex work? Anti gay!

Even where she got it right she had to beck peddle. Now if a twisted perverted brown girl of ambiguous sexuality is having to do that, what hope does someone with actual storytelling chops have? none.

 

[Tablet County]

Personally I just want Hitler to have a cameo standing in the background in a maid outfit, holding a pineapple

*holds up spork*