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[SpiderBitch]

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Apparently car-centric urban design makes Indians self-deport:
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> indian motorbikes are safe
> theyre cheap and learning how to drive and getting a license is considered a major hassle



Also no shit shits more expensive in the us than in india, moneys just worth more in some placss than other places. This guy wouldn't be able to use public transportation in the Netherlands without going broke within a day.

Also dont a shitton of indians get killed by/in/on trains compared to in other countries?

 

[Beautiful Border]

There's a thread on /r/unitedkingdom about local councils in the UK calling for a ban on pavement parking. This is a common practice here because most bongs live in rabbit hutches and have to choose between having a driveway to park their car or a front garden. Most of the comments are in support of a ban because they think it'll stick it to those dirty cagers, with hardly anyone realizing the obvious pitfall: If people can no longer park in the street, they're not going to get rid of their cars, they'll get rid of their gardens (with the associated negative ecological impact that comes with).

This will also encourage future housing developments to be more car-centric by coming with driveways as standard. This is why pavement parking isn't a common sight in North America, because the infrastructure is already designed around cars there such that it isn't necessary. In the long-term this will promote exactly the kind of car-centric urban design they wring their hands over and they're too stupid to realize it.

 

[quaawaa]

/r/fuckcars discusses a hyper-dense Parisian apartment block:




Someone claims to have lived in this exact apartment complex:

20 square meters is 215 square feet. He paid €900/month for that 10 years ago. That's absolutely insane real estate pricing and to have a first-world sized place, one would have to spend many thousands of euros a month.


Don't worry though, it doesn't matter that these apartments are smaller than my bathroom because no one actually uses them:


I also love how the first guy brags about having 30-40 restaurants within 10 minutes. There are around a thousand restaurants within a 10 minute drive of my suburban home according to Overpass Turbo. The same query run on the Parisian neighborhood shows around 100 restaurants within a 10 minute walk (the public transit travel area isn't much larger than the walking area due to average wait times, though the 10 minute biking area is around three times the size and would therefore have a couple hundred restaurants). Paris has more restaurants in a given area, but my suburb has more accessible within a given amount of travel time, which is what matters if you're trying to eat out somewhere.

I love the nice callout of an expat who doesn't realize that their lifestyle isn't that of the locals:

Another dumb expat who thinks Japan is cheap for locals:




Someone says it is depressing to stare at wall 35 feet (10 meters) away all day and gets a very aggressive response:

Bugmen really like the "vibrancy" of staring at a wall:




Texas and Arizona have no sprawl because Latinos don't live in the suburbs:

Best response:


Or you could live in the Brooklyn, Queens, or the Bronx (but then he might have to live within 500 feet of a Latino):

Why do they think they're entitled to live in one of the most expensive areas in the world? Lower Manhattan is expensive because it's where a bunch of very wealthy financial services firms are located, not because its dense.



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[S.C.U.D.]

Don't worry though, it doesn't matter that these apartments are smaller than my bathroom because no one actually uses them:

That's all well and good when you're in your 20s, but as people get older most of them prefer spending more time at home, which is hard to do when you live in a closet.

 

[SpiderBitch]

Who needs to go to a restaurant that frequently anyways? A lot of the slightly more 'rural' suburbs in western europe just have a/a few grocers, an applience store, a hairdresser, a library nearby and 1 or 2 takeout places and that is already more than enough. The people live in row/terraced houses, detached houses or sometimes flats (that arent ass expensive and decently sizeable compared to the apartments in cities). Nearby city/town accessible for cars and often busses and bikes as well.

Its always either/or with these people, either you live in a desolate suburb or bugman city, when plenty of normal and pleasant suburbs with some stores, food and small parks exist in the world.



Look at all those *gasp* cars??!!??!?!
Oh nooooo it would be SO awful to start a family/grow up here! All of these houses most likely have nice fenced backyards at the backside too.



It honestly very funny seeing Americans idolise countries based on what the biggest cities look like, like Berlin, Amsterdam, Paris etc when outside of a few big cities the rest of the country looks completely different.

Also, most of those old european apartments are on the 3rd floor with only a narrow and extremely steep staircase, no elevator. Good fucking luck if youre disabled, old or pregnant ig, arent soymen supposed to be woke?

 

[quaawaa]

Who needs to go to a restaurant that frequently anyways?

Soymen can't cook so they eat out for every meal. It's hilarious that people who claim that owning a car is a financial anchor have no problem paying an order of magnitude more money for food than people with culinary skills do.

 

[An Sionnach Seang]

/r/fuckcars discusses a hyper-dense Parisian apartment block:

they'd probably cream their pants if they ever heard about the Kowloon Walled City (400 x 700 m, population between 30-50,000, and literally hell on earth)

 

[Major]

Except that never happened. The "conspiracy" was just collusion with auto manufacturers that when the local transit companies inevitably switched to buses, they'd buy buses from Mack Trucks, tires from Firestone, and so on.

The whole argument presented by Bradford Snell in the 1970s was largely fictitious, even Wikipedia agrees but to urbanists, this is core dogma.

the trams declined everywhere, not just america. So it can't be solely due to one company. Trams were in decline since at least the 1930s

 

[Midwit]

That's all well and good when you're in your 20s, but as people get older most of them prefer spending more time at home

Something that goes somewhat underappreciated is that most of these people don't really account for the fact that a lot of people aren't active 20-somethings who want to go out all the time, who are the only people who actually like living in the inner city.

It honestly very funny seeing Americans idealize countries based on what the biggest cities look like

And it's always based on very specific parts of those cities and not the suburbs and commuter towns where most of the normal people live.

 

[DavidS877]

Maybe if they didn't go out to cafes, coffee shops, restaurants and bars all the time they could save their money to live somewhere nicer.

No, wait, sorry.... CONSOOOM, MUST CONSOOOOOOOM.

 

[KingFrampt]

Another dumb expat who thinks Japan is cheap for locals:

That's also like the lowest of the low rent, what these people don't realize is that Tokyo is split up into many wards, and in those wards are many different areas

The closer you are to shinjuku/shibuya, the more expensive it is, the average rent in shinjuku is more like 1200, which might not seem like a lot compared to average american prices, but as you pointed out their salaries are dreadful

 

[An Sionnach Seang]

the trams declined everywhere, not just america. So it can't be solely due to one company. Trams were in decline since at least the 1930s

they, and their railless relatives trolleybuses, were generally were seen as old-fashioned and obsolete at the time, because the units in service were old, even though the technology itself was perfectly sound; faddism is definitely not a modern phenomenon

 

[quaawaa]

they, and their railless relatives trolleybuses, were generally were seen as old-fashioned and obsolete at the time, because the units in service were old, even though the technology itself was perfectly sound; faddism is definitely not a modern phenomenon

Trolleybuses are superior in every way to trams and regular buses are cheaper and less ugly than trolleybuses.

The main reason urbanists like trams is because it’s easy to reroute or discontinue an unprofitable bus route while getting rid of an unprofitable tram route requires the road be torn up and repaved.

 

[SpiderBitch]

And it's always based on very specific parts of those cities and not the suburbs and commuter towns where most of the normal people live.

Jup. A lot of cities are also municipalities with the same name as the city, so even if a lot of people technically live in amsterdam or whatever they actually live in a suburb in a regular house in a less busy area, especially if they grew up there. In the busy areas its mostly just shit like students, expats and air bnbs... you can't wheel a stroller up staircases, after all.

Also, all the busy areas are noisy, filled with tourists and smell like piss. Sometimes you even see human excrement.

The courtyards in that parisian block are also useless, you get like 1 hour of sunlight a day. The only use is hurling yourself to death because of living in such a depressing apartment.
Also, how tf are emergency services supposed to efficiently get to you? What if theres a fire???

 

[Baraka Obama]

Another dumb expat who thinks Japan is cheap for locals:

Tokyo is probably the most affordable big city in the world relative to income.

But that's not really fair because you'd be comparing it to NYC/LA mostly in US terms. Americans are actually pretty lucky to have so many mid size metro areas which are very affordable and offer a really high quality of life with good job opportunities. In Canada the mid-size cities are increasingly unaffordable.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Soymen can't cook so they eat out for every meal. It's hilarious that people who claim that owning a car is a financial anchor have no problem paying an order of magnitude more money for food than people with culinary skills do.

I've delivered food and hated multi-story buildings, either climbing up to the third floor (that's the second story for you Europeans) for some assclown who didn't tip, or stairs so warped that it felt like the laws of physics were changing as you ascended to the second floor. And at least both of those were to built to proper fire code.

 

[Lobster Cult High Priest]

I've delivered food and hated multi-story buildings, either climbing up to the third floor (that's the second story for you Europeans) for some assclown who didn't tip, or stairs so warped that it felt like the laws of physics were changing as you ascended to the second floor. And at least both of those were to built to proper fire code.

People aren't like me constantly looking out the window like a dog waiting for the delivery to arrive, meeting them at the end of my driveway.

 

[quaawaa]

There's an urbanist meme going around that the 2026 World Cup will be a disaster because the American host cities lack transit:



It's really dumb because literally every single Dallas Cowboys game has 80-105k people attend and there are no issues getting people into or out of the stadium:


Also, Dallas hosted the World Cup in 1994 without any problems:

Dallas now has a light rail station near that stadium (which didn't exist in 1994) but the rail line is useless unless you want to go to Downtown Dallas or the ghetto. Also, the reason why Fair Park has so much parking is because the organizers of the Texas State Fair bought a ton of ghetto houses and tore them down to create a buffer between the park and the shithole neighborhoods nearby. I'm not making that up.



Despite the fact that there was no issue hosting the World Cup in Dallas in 1994, the geniuses at /r/fuckcars predict disaster because Europeans and South Americans tourists who can afford airfare, hotels, and thousand dollar tickets are unable to rent a car (because since they live in Heaven, they never had to learn how to drive) or take a bus (because shuttle buses don't exist).



By the way, you can easily walk to a grocery store from AT&T Stadium:





Don't worry /r/fuckcars user, TxDOT is already on that:









I can't wait for the 2026 World Cup to go off without a hitch.
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[Ensok]

Texans, and other real Americans, don't give a shit about what foreigners think about their cities.

 

[Luigi Cadorna]

Also, Dallas hosted the World Cup in 1994 without any problems:

Despite the fact that there was no issue hosting the World Cup in Dallas in 1994, the geniuses at /r/fuckcars predict disaster because Europeans and South Americans tourists who can afford airfare, hotels, and thousand dollar tickets are unable to rent a car (because since they live in Heaven, they never had to learn how to drive) or take a bus (because shuttle buses don't exist).

To be somewhat fair, the Cotton Bowl is pretty close to downtown Dallas while Jerry World is around 20 miles out but as you said fans with the cash to travel there are going to have the money to afford a rental car. I also seriously doubt that FIFA and the host cities don't have agreements for bussing from downtowns to the stadiums as well. I'm now starting to wonder what percent of the urbanist crowd are just raging alcoholics who can't comprehend driving to a sporting event, concert, etc.