US US Politics General - Discussion of President Biden and other politicians

 

[Meat Target]

 

[Sithis]

I need to stress this. This helped nobody. There are far better ways to remove Biden on this topic without it being an utter shiftest

The fact that DOCTOR Jill Biden hasn't been seen choking some staffer or berating someone over this makes me feel like it was Joe's call. It's like he gave the one statement after the report came out where he was singing it's praises for "clearing him" even though it pointedly said he did the thing he was accused of. That should have been a wrap and I think that was the "agreed upon" press conference.

But then people on every social media platform and in the news started talking about his mental acuity, and I think Biden had a defiant old man moment where he figured "ill show them!" and decided to call for another presser. But then as the evening goes on and he's clearly not prepared or amped up on meds and the press are asking actual questions he doesn't have a script for, he starts losing it, and then when they start pressing him harder he becomes the defiant old man and loses it. Meanwhile the other factions are relatively powerless in the moment because they didn't have time to prepare a graceful exit where some staffer or Easter Bunny could come lead the doddering old fool off the stage and give him some ice cream to calm him down.

Based on what I've seen and experiences, I'd say Bidens brain has maybe a year of capable lucidity left before he's smearing his own shit on the walls.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

Assuming he even lives long enough to see it

Biden will live until he's 120 years old. He cheated Hillary of her win, she has nothing left but the rotting corpses of her opponents weighing on what should be a conscience.

Hillary is the one making Biden look like a fool and, I wouldn't be surprised if Biden's conditions isn't that bad, but he's being 'poisoned' by Hillary. Kamala is a candidate pushed by Hillary to make Biden look worse; they could have had surfer milkers as VP but that would have helped Biden look competent.

Hillary has made one thing very clear in her career, if she can't have it, no one can, and if, by some miracle, someone does get it, they will be punished, friend or foe, regardless of which 'side' they're on.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxqRZwDBc15L2-9wEEz5omnoXIqa7se9KL

 

[The Last Stand]

If you want to negotiate with them, you have to understand where they're coming from.

Overall, I say Right of Conquest is the only true arbiter. Russia owns Crimea because no one else can take it from them. Likewise, if Ukraine can remain a sovereign entity, it has the right to do so. If it collapses and get absorbed into Russia, that is also Russia's right. Any country that fails to defend itself does not deserve to exist.

Did we do that with Mussolini?

 

[ShitLurker]

https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxqRZwDBc15L2-9wEEz5omnoXIqa7se9KL

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Kiwifarms crystal ball strikes again.

 

[The Ugly One]

Russia was fine with Ukraine independence as long as they had a friendly president who honored the important treaties that were important to the Russian Navy. America and Europe started pouring resources into Ukraine to mess with the political balance and install their own controlled politician and Russia was not willing to lose Crimea so they simply annexed it.

America's fundamental mistake here is thinking they could get control of Crimea by playing 4D chess, and that there were certain unwritten, unspoken rules Russia wouldn't cross to keep it. The idea we were operating under was that with the right combination of color revolutions, international resolutions, and treaties, Russia would slink off with its tail between its legs, move the Black Sea Fleet to Novorossiysk, and admit that Washington simply out-maneuvered them.

Putin's discourse on America's behavior from the bombing of Serbia onward was instructive here. From Russia's point of view, America's only rule is America does what it wants, when it wants, and that playing by "the rules" is a sucker's game. America's rule that nobody actually gets to full-on invade Ukraine, only color revolutions allowed, was simply ignored by Russia. Russia, perhaps following the American concept that "kinetic military action" isn't "war," has laughably refused to call its invasion of Ukraine a "war," it's just a "special military operation," perhaps not unlike the USA's totally-not-invasion-and-occupation of Syria.

How was the stage set before this? Crimea was back in Russian control in 2014, along with Donetsk and Luhansk, and nobody was going to do shit about it. In the years between, Belarus kept sending Syrian rapefugees across the border into Poland and the EU bitched at POLAND for being mean about it.

Your scenario completely fails to account for the status quo between 2014 and 2022, where the west had basically conceded to Russia the parts of Ukraine they took back. Putin could have just annexed the Donbas and the west still wouldn’t have done shit

NATO never recognized Crimea as Russian territory, declared the referendum to be illegitimate, and started preparing Ukraine to invade and take it back. NATO, being extremely bad at misdirection, announced its intentions with the Operation Cossack Mace war exercises in summer 2021, which was a sent of joint UK-Ukraine exercises to rehearse an offensive to retake the eastern oblasts and Crimea. Later, in September the Ukrainian government publicly adopted a strategy document, “Strategy for Deoccupation and Reintegration of the Temporarily Occupied Territory of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and the City of Sevastopol.” At the same time, a separate order was drafted to identify anyone who voted for the 2010 Kharkiv Pact and charge them with treason (src).

Russia invaded a few months later, February 2022.

What Western governments do not understand there is no course of action to eject the Black Sea Fleet from its 240-year-old naval base that does not involve war. You want Sevastopol, be prepared to fight for it for real. Arming moderate rebels or whatever isn't going to work.

 

[SpergioLeonne]

NATO never recognized Crimea as Russian territory, declared the referendum to be illegitimate, and started preparing Ukraine to invade and take it back. NATO, being extremely bad at misdirection, announced its intentions with the Operation Cossack Mace war exercises in summer 2021, which was a sent of joint UK-Ukraine exercises to rehearse an offensive to retake the eastern oblasts and Crimea. Later, in September the Ukrainian government publicly adopted a strategy document, “Strategy for Deoccupation and Reintegration of the Temporarily Occupied Territory of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and the City of Sevastopol.” At the same time, a separate order was drafted to identify anyone who voted for the 2010 Kharkiv Pact and charge them with treason (src).

Your link is Ukrainians grandstanding about revoking some treaty and getting some Crimean tatars to act like their native Americans and complain “Russia mean”.

It does NOT indicate that the country the entire world expected to fall in 2-3 days was preparing a military operation to attack Russians.

Even in Donetsk and Luhansk, Ukraine itself used the terminology “Russian backed separatists” to make sure that nobody thought they were attacking Russians directly.

To be clear, they were talking about cancelling the agreement where Ukraine leased the Sevastopol naval base to Russia. “We’re gonna cancel your lease even though your navy is there and we can’t do anything about it” is obviously a butthurt protest, not Generalplan Ost

 

[Justa Grata Honoria]

https://news.littlesis.org/2024/02/05/u-s-state-and-local-treasuries-hold-at-least-1-6-billion-in-israel-bonds/

U.S. State and Local Treasuries Hold At Least $1.6 Billion in Israel Bonds

Even if they didn't approved the aid the states and other goym will keep paying juzyia or whatever they call it on hebrew . I love how your government has 200+ ways to give money to Israel

 

[HodgePodgeRogerDodger]

You know I rewatched the interview and I’m a little angry Tucker didn’t try to bring up Crimea nor did Putler. I don’t think Putin mentioned Obama at all. Every other President, even Bush Sr., he’s interacted with was mentioned. You’d think the person who was “in-charge” when Putin became Persona non grata in the international community would have been brought up.

He mentions liking Bush and even personally liking Trump. Not sure how true that it, but I do think he at least has some respect for them versus someone like Angela Merkel.

 

[ZMOT]

Your scenario completely fails to account for the status quo between 2014 and 2022, where the west had basically conceded to Russia the parts of Ukraine they took back. Putin could have just annexed the Donbas and the west still wouldn’t have done shit

you mean like they did up until 2014?
and just because there wasn't anything big happening people didn't know (or care) about, doesn't mean the west wasn't constantly messing around with ukraine, which no one can explain why the US or EU should give a fuck about some slav-slapfight anyway.

is russia innocent? hardly, but everyone knew what was gonna happen but rather lived with their headcanon, same way the dumbfuck kicking your chair from behind going "teacher said you can't touch me!" is inevitably getting his ass whopped, only to make a surprised pikachu while pissing himself then run crying to the teacher.

the political elite that got us into this mess didn't start being retarded when russia invaded that shithole...

He mentions liking Bush and even personally liking Trump. Not sure how true that it, but I do think he at least has some respect for them versus someone like Angela Merkel.

he probably read enough in her unredacted stasi-file...

 

[HTTP Error 404]

The Democrats are trying a tactic they've been using for about 6 years now with very limited success... but it's all they have left, and it works with their base (or at least the ChatGPT bots they have flooding Twitter to try to create artificial consensus / narrative):

https://twitter.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1755771044705489250

The Uno Reverse Card.


Trump locked down the country and destroyed the economy, Trump tried to rig an election in 2020 via Mail in Voting, Republicans are the ones keeping the border open, Trump's admin paid for the Wuhan bioweapon labs that were ran by retarded Chinks (but I repeat myself), Republicans destroyed the economy, President Trump was the one holding documents insecurely in his garage, Republicans are the ones with ties to Russian oligarchs, and that dastardly President Trump keeps having age related gaffes.

Biden Admin? Problems? NO U.

 

[SpergioLeonne]

you mean like they did up until 2014?
and just because there wasn't anything big happening people didn't know (or care) about, doesn't mean the west wasn't constantly messing around with ukraine, which no one can explain why the US or EU should give a fuck about some slav-slapfight anyway.

is russia innocent? hardly, but everyone knew what was gonna happen but rather lived with their headcanon, same way the dumbfuck kicking your chair from behind going "teacher said you can't touch me!" is inevitably getting his ass whopped, only to make a surprised pikachu while pissing himself then run crying to the teacher.

the political elite that got us into this mess didn't start being retarded when russia invaded that shithole...

Right. And George Soros funded the Ukrainian color revolution that installed Poroshenko. Then that fell apart and they got Zelensky.

It’s more of a wash than you’re even crediting, though. Russia plays shitty games, too.

I don’t think it’s the US’s job to secure Ukraine, except I do feel a degree of guilt that we lost control of our own country and allowed assholes like Biden to exploit them as well. But in my perfect version of the world, the US and Russia would have normal relations.

All that said, Ukraine IS caught in the middle, and Russia showed their full ass for the sake of opportunism, not some high minded “securing the homeland” bull shit. This all happened in concert with BRICS powers

 

[dustbuster]

It’s more of a wash than you’re even crediting, though. Russia plays shitty games, too.

Let's not equivocate.
If Russia or Iran installed a puppet regime in Mexico via a coup and started fucking with US naval readiness out of SoCal you'd be cheerleading the full scale annihilation of Mexico City this second.

 

[SpergioLeonne]

Let's not equivocate.
If Russia or Iran installed a puppet regime in Mexico via a coup and started fucking with US naval readiness out of SoCal you'd be cheerleading the full scale annihilation of Mexico City this second.

You think Mexico doesn’t have any foreign influence? Weird, because they let 35,000 Chinese nationals through and into our country in a year

 

[Tanner Glass]

It’s more of a wash than you’re even crediting, though. Russia plays shitty games, too.

When Russia went to set up missile bases in Cuba in '62 - America was ready to start WW3 before they even got there.

Russia put up with far more with the regime change in Ukraine, then the training and arming of Ukraine, on top of rapid expansion of NATO near Russia's borders.

 

[Sister Miriam Godwinson]

You think Mexico doesn’t have any foreign influence? Weird, because they let 35,000 Chinese nationals through and into our country in a year

The US turns an incredibly blind eye toward the Chinese. Russia doing shit in its back yard is an existential threat that warrants an immediate response but China blissfully flying spy balloons in the heartland of the good ol' US of A is nothing to see here, move along, nobody will remember it come tomorrow.

That, and 35k is a drop in the bucket compared to the hundreds of thousands of... indigenous Mexicans that arrive in the same way. Which is apparently no big deal either.

 

[SpergioLeonne]

When Russia went to set up missile bases in Cuba in '62 - America was ready to start WW3 before they even got there.

Russia put up with far more with the regime change in Ukraine, then the training and arming of Ukraine, on top of rapid expansion of NATO near Russia's borders.

Russia put up with shit that they couldn’t afford to do anything about.

And as far as the missile crisis, it’s like you’re forgetting that at the end of WW2 we had lent them all the shit in the world, the US industrial base made them the scariest country in the world on credit, and the US had the basic assumption that Stalin wasn’t just a deranged asshole.

Probably the single biggest event to begin our mutual antagonism was Russia seeing the opportunity to support Mao and spread communism.

Forgot, they also nabbed Ho Chi Minh after we snubbed him

 

[mandatorylurk]

Give us the rundown on this dude. Is he related to Turtle? He kinda looks like him a bit.

I don't live there but de is the definition of the meme of conservatism being "liberalism but going the speed limit." He has blue senate and house to deal with but I've seen nothing where he really does anything to stop them or hinder them. His biggest thing was removing some fags from Baltimore from being incompetent before that was the norm in the country with Soros DAs and judges.

If he's in the senate he will likely vote for generic republican things if they have a majority, but will never vote for good judges. His only positive attribute will be removing a 100% blue seat for six years.

Speaking of RINO, here is Mittens, showing TDS has its built in Trump Curse.



Keep an eye on Pakistan, their Trump (now behind bars by the corrupt govt) and his party was winning the election but they did blatant vote fraud that's so bad the State Department isn't accepting it.

 

[Tanner Glass]

Russia put up with shit that they couldn’t afford to do anything about.

It's not about affording - it's about opportunity.

Putin could literally wipe Ukraine off the map - it's the international community he had to navigate. However China is going through an economic collapse (and is happy to watch USA and Russia proxy fight over a literal shithole) and USA "elected" a dementia patient who's currently killing his own country from the inside - now was the time to strike. Putin felt that Obama could be pushed a little but not too far and Trump wasn't to be tested so he just bided his time.