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[DavidS877]

I'm looking forward to their ranting about the LA Olympics in 2028.

 

[quaawaa]

I'm looking forward to their ranting about the LA Olympics in 2028.

Just like how Dallas has hosted part of the World Cup before, Los Angeles hosted the Olympics in 1984. They had no metro system at all back then (the first line opened in 1990), yet the event went perfectly fine. It was exceptionally well run and is one of the very few Olympics that made a profit.



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[DavidS877]

For reference, here's all the cities. Some seem much worse than Dallas/Ft Worth as far as infrastructure goes.

 

[DavidS877]

Just like how Dallas has hosted part of the World Cup before, Los Angeles hosted the Olympics in 1984. They had no metro system at all back then (the first line opened in 1990), yet the event went perfectly fine. It was exceptionally well run and is one of the very few Olympics that made a profit.

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The real problem will be all the busses they need before the olympics to ship all the homeless out of town. And it does make sense there won't be parking near the venues, not to encourage public transit use but just due to security concerns. But they can greenwash that.

 

[quaawaa]

For reference, here's all the cities. Some seem much worse than Dallas/Ft Worth as far as infrastructure goes.
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They hate Dallas-Fort Worth because Arlington is famous in their circles for being the largest American city without public transit (not entirely true; they have a subsidized rideshare service for residents). I doubt they know that the "NYC" stadium is an hour outside the city in New Jersey or that the "Boston" stadium is also an hour outside the city in the deep exurbs.

There is a train station just north of the stadium that goes to Downtown Dallas and Downtown Fort Worth, both of which have a trains to/and from the airport:

I'm pretty sure they'll be running shuttle buses from that station to and from the stadium.

I forgot to mention this in the other post, but Dallas-Fort Worth (and Texas has a whole) has a large Hispanic population that loves soccer. I would expect a lot of the 100k people attending the World Cup games there to be locals who have their own cars. Same thing for Los Angeles/Houston/Miami with Sofi/NRG/Hard Rock stadiums and their large surface parking lots.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

They hate Dallas-Fort Worth because Arlington is famous in their circles for being the largest American city without public transit (not entirely true; they have a subsidized rideshare service for residents). I doubt they know that the "NYC" stadium is an hour outside the city in New Jersey or that the "Boston" stadium is also an hour outside the city in the deep exurbs.

...and if they're not in the suburbs, the stadiums are usually right in the center of town, surrounded by parking and an impediment to "walkability" (taking up multiple blocks).

The thing is, they can't fathom the idea that freeways can and do work, in their mind, any new project gets filled up with cars (out of the ether).

And since they love holding up books so often to make them look smarter, why not take a look at a whole book on Dallas-Fort Worth Freeways?

 

[F-14 Tomcat]

...and if they're not in the suburbs, the stadiums are usually right in the center of town, surrounded by parking and an impediment to "walkability" (taking up multiple blocks).

The thing is, they can't fathom the idea that freeways can and do work, in their mind, any new project gets filled up with cars (out of the ether).

And since they love holding up books so often to make them look smarter, why not take a look at a whole book on Dallas-Fort Worth Freeways?

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guys will look at this image and be like "hell yeah"

 

[Seymour Duncan]

Trolleybuses are superior in every way to trams and regular buses are cheaper and less ugly than trolleybuses.

The main reason urbanists like trams is because it’s easy to reroute or discontinue an unprofitable bus route while getting rid of an unprofitable tram route requires the road be torn up and repaved.

Rail vehicles are significantly more durable and can be built to handle a significantly higher capacity. For anecdotes, a nearby city constructed a completely new tram system a few years ago and it's been a massive success as it replaced a chronically overfilled arterial bus line terminating at a large suburb. It runs faster, more reliably and more comfortably than the bus service could ever hope to achieve with those amounts of passengers being run through it daily.

 

[quaawaa]

And since they love holding up books so often to make them look smarter, why not take a look at a whole book on Dallas-Fort Worth Freeways?

That book is pretty interesting; thanks for sharing!

You know how urbanists love to talk about how highways were tools used by White racists to force black people out of their homes?

Turns out that isn't the whole story:

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African-American History and Central Expressway​

The displacement of many African-American residents along the Central Expressway corridor near downtown for the freeway, particularly in the Stringtown district alongside the railroad, exacerbated the serious shortage of modern housing available to blacks. A planned expansion of the runways at Love Field airport would displace another 300 black families. Efforts to integrate blacks into white neighborhoods were controversial and often met with resistance. The all-white Dallas Chamber of Commerce recognized the crisis and in 1950 formed the Dallas Interracial Association, a committee of civic leaders from around Dallas, to tackle the problem.

The association made five recommendations to ensure adequate housing for blacks in Dallas. The most visible product of the association’s efforts was Hamilton Park, an all-new subdivision of modern, affordable single-family homes for middle-income blacks on 173 acres at the northeast corner of Central Expressway and Forest Lane. There had been a long search for a suitable site for the subdivision, and previously established black residents in the area led to the selection of this location. The neighborhood was named in honor of Dr Richard Hamilton, a black physician and YMCA worker in the early black Dallas community.

The leadership of influential members of the Dallas Chamber of Commerce brought Hamilton Park to reality, particularly chamber president Jerome Crossman and theater owner Karl Hoblitzelle, who funded a loan for land acquisition. A community dedication was held on October 4, 1953, and a second event to celebrate the completion of homes and the first move-ins was held in May 1954. Demand was strong for the homes which were priced at $7750 for two bedroom units and $8950 for three bedrooms ($67,000 and $77,000 in 2013 dollars), with a down payment between $650 and $900 and monthly payments between $45 and $50. Even at those prices, only blacks with above-average compensation qualified for loans. Build-out of 750 homes was completed by 1960, and the neighborhood remains a well maintained middle-income community in 2013.

Separate from the Hamilton Park efforts, the City of Dallas had previously opened the Roseland Homes community for low-income blacks in 1942 on the northeast corner of Central Expressway and Hall Street, near downtown. Constructed at a cost of $2.5 million (approximately $35 million in 2013 dollars), the 650-unit complex replaced a severely deteriorated section of Freedman’s Town deemed beyond repair, consistent with the practices of the era in which areas of substandard housing were entirely cleared. Rents varied from $16 to $19 per month for one- to four-bedroom units. Roseland Homes fell victim to decay and crime in the 1980s and 1990s but was rebuilt in the 2000s and has benefited from the revitalization of the surrounding area.

Dallas Historical Society
Philanthropist Karl Hoblitzelle provided crucial financial support to allow Hamilton Park to proceed, providing an interest-free loan for the land acquisition, approximately $1.8 million in 2013 dollars. The success of the neighborhood allowed all borrowed funds to be repaid by 1960. In recognition, a street in the neighborhood was named for Hoblitzelle. Hoblitzelle (1879-1967), who amassed his wealth in the theater industry, was one of Dallas’ leading philanthropists in the 1950s and 1960s, and the Hoblitzelle Foundation remains an active charitable foundation today.

To summarize, the route for the highway went through a black slum. White philanthropists built the residents a brand new neighborhood and sold them houses for $7750-8950 ($89-102k in 2023 dollars). They also built a brand new apartment building with rents subsided to $16-19/month ($312-371 in 2023 dollars).

I wonder how many other places have a similar story.

Also this:

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Efforts to remove the freeway were partly motivated by the low-income, overwhelmingly African-American makeup of the neighborhood along the freeway and the belief that the original construction of the freeway was discriminatory. However, the original planning for the freeway in late 1930s and the May 1946 final plan including South Central Expressway (present-day S.M. Wright Freeway) took place when the area was entirely or overwhelmingly white. In the late 1930s the civic association representing the area, the South Dallas Improvement League, insisted on the removal of the railroad and construction of a highway-type facility. The transition from a predominantly white to a black neighborhood began after approval of the freeway plan. A map published in the Dallas Morning News in February 1950 showed the black areas of housing in south Dallas along the freeway corridor, and the area was still over 50% white. Freeway construction began in 1954 and was complete in 1956. Transition to a black majority occurred rapidly during the 1950s and by January 1959 the overall area of southeast Dallas was reported to be 57% black.

Oops, looks like highways were built in poor White areas as well. Maybe it wasn't a racial thing. Note that the local Chamber of Commerce thought the highway was preferable to the existing railroad. I've also never heard activists decry the "gentrification" of neighborhoods like this one where the historical White residents were forced out they weren't forced out by the highway though; something else made them want to move....

Most of the highways went through rural areas and displayed no one. Many of the urban highways reused existing railroad right of way, and also displaced very few people.

Example:

The highway takes up the exact same amount of land as the railroad did.

That's not to say that they never had to acquire right-of-way. They did, it's just a lot more complicated than a thinly veiled excuse to evict innocent "POC"s.

Also this cartoon would piss off /r/fuckcars:

 

[Free the Pedos]

the geniuses at /r/fuckcars predict disaster because Europeans and South Americans tourists who can afford airfare, hotels, and thousand dollar tickets are unable to rent a car (because since they live in Heaven, they never had to learn how to drive) or take a bus (because shuttle buses don't exist).

It’s even more retarded in a world where rideshare apps exist. Even someone from Paris who doesn’t know how to drive will just pay the up charge to be ferried to the stadium.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

That's not to say that they never had to acquire right-of-way. They did, it's just a lot more complicated than a thinly veiled excuse to evict innocent "POC"s.

Even in the first few pages you can see a mixed crowd of people at the opening of the freeway. Obviously, the black people tend to be standing to the right and the whites to the left, but clearly this was an event where everyone had something to gain from the freeway (after all, I've always maintained that cars are the true egalitarian form of transportation). It was, of course, still segregated, but coordinated so that the black people still got a dance of their own.

This view of the Central Expressway opening celebration at the Ross Avenue overpass shows the large crowd estimated at 7000 gathered around the event stage. The lit spire of the Mercantile Building in downtown Dallas is visible in the background. After the ceremonies there were two dances, a “mammoth” square dance for whites and an “old-fashioned street dance” for blacks sponsored by the Negro Chamber of Commerce.

 

[Baraka Obama]

Wouldn't it be trivial to have a set of shuttle busses borrowed from different travel companies for the couple weeks of the event?

Good highway infrastructure backs that up and makes it all feasible.

 

[quaawaa]

Wouldn't it be trivial to have a set of shuttle busses borrowed from different travel companies for the couple weeks of the event?

Good highway infrastructure backs that up and makes it all feasible.

Yes, and that's exactly the plan.
It'll be hilarious to see /r/fuckcars' shock when the World Cup goes off without a hitch.

 

[Fried-Rice12]

I'm looking forward to their ranting about the LA Olympics in 2028.

How bold of you to assume that LA will still be in one piece of 2028.
Or if the US still exists as a single united nation.

 

[YellowIsACoolColor]

Or if the US still exists as a single united nation.

Amerifarts are too fat and retarded to fight a civil war or declare independence so yeah it'll still exist

 

[Fried-Rice12]

Amerifarts are too fat and retarded to fight a civil war or declare independence so yeah it'll still exist

Care to bet?

 

[BigGuyOS 6 : Jovial Janny]

20 square meters is 215 square feet. He paid €900/month for that 10 years ago. That's absolutely insane real estate pricing and to have a first-world sized place, one would have to spend many thousands of euros a month.

Sounds like a bit of sucker. I'll have you know my french uncle was an OG urbanest who used to always bike at 10kph in the Parisian car lanes just to how inconvenient and poorly thought out their owning a car is to everyone else. He was so eco-friendly, that a judge decided to award him taxpayer subsidized, environmentally friendly living conditions. It was very similar to what this post describes, except, get this, it is was all free!
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Unfortunately, he died during an extinction rebellion protest when a car brained maniac ran him down without even bothering to unchain him from the other activists. It's like these cars are designed to mow down innocent babies, it's no different than a tank used to kill people in war!

 

[Lobster Cult High Priest]

Yes, and that's exactly the plan.
It'll be hilarious to see /r/fuckcars' shock when the World Cup goes off without a hitch.

If anything the European and rich Arab Sheikh audience of the World Cup will be shocked and dismayed by the American Negro.

 

[Free the Pedos]

Or if the US still exists as a single united nation.

You tease.

 

[Buttigieg2020]

Care to bet?

This comment made him so assmad he opened a thread on it in the Deep Thoughts board for exceptional people lol.

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User also hates that the house has extra space and follows the standard Fuck Cars dogma that it’s as easy to move a week’s groceries on bike than as in a car.

Surprisingly, the comments aren’t calling for a divorce.