Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Rubick]

The Mig-29 and Su-27/30/35 all probably have similar or slightly better capabilities

Both have lifting bodies so they'd fare much better. F-15 ought to be also better in this regard then F-16.

Riding on top of an IFV in an urban environment is a recipe to get shot, lit on fire or hit with a grenade/ATGM.

I know. But a pair of eyes or a dozen of them would give you better situation awareness like I said. Especially if you're in a older IFV. That's more worth then any protection that a BMP or heck a Puma would provide In my opinion. Never mind a much quicker response if someone spots something. Now out in the field charging the fulda gap that's another matter.

 

[Justa Grata Honoria]

Lawl. NATO doesn't stand a chance once history legitimacy is to be a factor.

nobody gives a shit about legitimacy unless your source of legitimacy are your guns . The bigger the guns the bigger the legitimacy , problem is usa has big , huge beatuful guns but useless and defeated by 1k drone or 500 dollar missle made out of feritilizer, sugar and some scrap .

Russian soldiers captured six AFU. All from Kiev, with the exception of the oldest; a neo-Nazi that's been fighting in the Donbass since 2014.

I dont hear anything where they are from besides their ages , the man comented that the oldie is old and thats it .

 

[Shallow Wave]

where they are from besides their ages

In the end camera man says все с киева, its right there!

 

[Strix454]

In looking at Putin's historical analysis, its important to understand the counter-narrative that has been developed in the modern era in the west.

From Time Magazine

1) Russia itself is a historical fiction. A fiction created by a Prussian named Innokenty Gizel. "Rus" was a failed state sometimes under the rule of Poland which did not even consider the Christians of Ukraine (then under the wise rule of Poland) to be co-religionists.

2) Crimea was never russian. The French (Voltaire) told the Russians to take over Crimea. Once the Russians took over Crimea, they stole the historic properties of both Muslims and their christian ukrainian brothers in Crimea. Unlike Russians, Ukrainians always co-existed with Islam. The peoples of Crimea were treated in the same way that Native Americans were treated by the French and British in North America.

3) No Ukrainian ever supported the Nazis. Yulian Semyonov was a james-bond style spy writer who convinced Russians including Putin of the false myth of Ukrainian Nazis. Bandara was actually an enemy of the nazis and if he was their ally, he was only their ally for the same length of time that Russia under Stalin was their ally.

Its important to understand that these people want not only the complete dismemberment of modern Russia, but its historical extermination as well.

 

[Fried-Rice12]

A lot have, and do. This summer during the counteroffensiive several AFU commanders arranged the surrender of entire units but this is such a poignant video; they know what awaits them, and yet they will go in.

Patrick Lancaster just dropped a new video an hour ago.
Defectors who joined the Russians, just like the 2014 days.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

https://archive.ph/x3K7r

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/09/us/politics/biden-putin-tucker-carlson-peace.html

https://archive.is/bqBiq

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

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https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/09/us/politics/biden-putin-tucker-carlson-peace.html

https://archive.is/bqBiq

Where is everyone who spent the first 18 months of this vehemently denying Ukraine was fighting a proxy war for the US in the first place? Mentioning that in the first couple months would've got you run off the platform altogether. Now they post shit like this totally unironically.

 

[Sir Joahim Browinson III]

- "Thid war is horrible, so many people die on the daily basis, it all should stop right now!"
- "Ok, let's figure out a peace deal benificial for all sides."
- "NOOO THERE IS NO DEAL UNLESS IT'S ONLY BENEFICIAL TO US, LAY DOWN YOUR WEAPONS AND SURENDER TO WORLD AUTHORITY! KRIEG TOTALLEN!"

Why are U.S. Feds like this?

 

[Feline Supremacist]

I dont hear anything

It was in the TG post.

Why are U.S. Feds like this?

It's called American Exceptionalism.

No really it's the rationale neocons use to describe why they're entitled to makes demands on a global scale and respond with bombs when they're thwarted.

 

[Overly Serious]

- "Thid war is horrible, so many people die on the daily basis, it all should stop right now!"
- "Ok, let's figure out a peace deal benificial for all sides."
- "NOOO THERE IS NO DEAL UNLESS IT'S ONLY BENEFICIAL TO US, LAY DOWN YOUR WEAPONS AND SURENDER TO WORLD AUTHORITY! KRIEG TOTALLEN!"

Why are U.S. Feds like this?

They have forgotten that they represent the interests of the people - who benefit from peace, and speak only based on the interests of those in charge - who do not.

 

[Butterschmalz]

Ossies, do you have Unifier's Regret yet? Egon Krenz is still alive and Russia will back you. Save Germany and reform the DDR.

Germany is a done deal. They are letting the businesses die first. Like seen in the rage of the farmers or the destruction of NS2. The real fun starts when they start cutting social services like HARTZ4/Buergergeld. But that can take a while.

More interesting is whats going on in Poland. Maybe some Polish KFs can help. The new Tusk government is trying to change the legal system in a way that is "westernizing" the Polish system. Polacks up till now were mostly owning their houses.

If I understand that correctly up till now you were not able to own real estate in Poland unless you are Polish citizen. Tusk changed that. So now you have (((investors))) from outside the country buying up whole blocks. Pricing out regular Poles out of the real estate market.

link/archive

Those investors are gonna be renting those apartments out to the "diverse" newcomers. @Male Idiot mentioned "Poland getting blacked".

How does that play a role for the Ukraine conflict? Well Poland supposed to be the next line of defense against the "Mongol horde", right? Are they gonna be interested in defending their country when they have to rent their apartments from Goldberg while Malgoziata is getting some pipe laid by Mohammed, while Tomek is fighting the Russkies? Western conditions for the Poles play a role for the fighting spirit. Lets find out!

 

[prolapsed_cranium]

Here's a video of AFU reserves about to enter Avdiivka
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Fuuuuuuuuuck that. Listen to all that artillery

 

[Napoleon III]

High level summary of this is A lot of Zahluznhy's guys have been replaced it is mostly people ranked lower replacing people ranked higher. The one that I thought was super interesting was the Logistics guy was replaced by a Commander of a Military Academy. That is likely not good for Ukrainian Logistics.

https://archive.ph/p2gtD

Changes at the command of Armed Forces of Ukraine -https://militaryland.net/​

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Commander of the United Forces of Ukraine Lt. Gen.​

Yurii Sodol replaced Lt. Gen. Serhey Naev. Sodol previously served as the commander of the Marine Corps and Donetsk Operational Tactical Group.​

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Commander of Air Assault Forces of Ukraine​

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Brig Gen. Ihor Skybyuk has been appointed to this position. He previously served as the commander of 80th Air Assault Brigade. Skybyuk replaced Maj. Gen. Maksym Myrhorodskyi.​

Commander of Territorial Defense Forces

Maj. Gen. Ihor Plahuta replaced Maj. Gen. Anatoliy Barhylevych, who became the Chief of General Staff. Plahuta served as the commander of 169th Training Center Desna in 2009, and worked as the head of Southern District of Internal Troops during Euromaidan revolution in 2014, and was personally present during the actions of Berkut in Kyiv.
Original story:

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy approved proposed candidates by the new Commander-in-Chief Col. Gen Oleksandr Syrskyi. The complete change of Ukrainian military leadership continues, and if it’s for the better, or for the worse, remains to be seen. Our site brings you a complete list of changes.

Officially approved changes​

Deputies of Commander-in-Chief

Col. Vadym Sukharevskyi will primarily focus on topics related to unmanned systems and their usage in the army. It is also rumored he will become the commander of Unmanned System Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, an upcoming new branch of the army. He previously served as the commander of 59th Motorized Brigade.

Col. Andrii Lebedenko will be responsible for innovation and technological components of the army. There is no publicly available information about him.

They replaced Lt. Gen. Yevhen Moysiuk and Lt. Gen. Mykhailo Zabrodskyi.

Col. Andrii Lebedenko will be responsible for innovation and technological components of the army. There is no publicly available information about him.

Chief of the General Staff

Maj. Gen. Anatoliy Barhylevych replaced Lt. Gen. Serhii Shaptala. He previously served as the commander of Territorial Defense Forces. Barhylevych is a right hand of Syrskyi, served two years as deputy commander of Ground Forces and as the chief of staff of the Kortytsia Operational Grouping under Syrskyi.

Deputies of Chief of the General Staff

Brig. Gen. Volodymyr Horbatiuk will be responsible for the work of headquarters, planning and management. Horbatiuk previously served as the commander of Zaporizhzhia Tactical Grouping of Troops.

Brig. Gen. Oleksii Shevchenko will be responsible for logistics. Shevchenki previously served as the head of Odesa military academy.

Brig. Gen. Mykhailo Drapatyi will be responsible for the preparation and training of Ukrainian troops. Drapatyi previously served as the commander of Kherson Tactical Grouping of Troops.


General learned about these changes from the Media.

What pro-Ukraine people are saying about this.


NAFO isn't having a good time


I included this partly because it is funny but mostly because it highlights how a lot of the Pro-Ukraine people are feeling.


Battlefield changes

Avdeevka continues slowly


Marink-Ulgedar highway

Marinka

 

[Napoleon III]

Battlefield changes part two
we are being DDOS by angry troons so uploading too many images is a nightmare edition

Pervomaisky



Some from yesterday that I missed. A lot of these are smaller suggesting they happened because local commanders saw a window of opportunity and took it. This suggests there may be some small holes developing in the Ukrainian lines. If they are exist they are small.

Siversk


Novovodyane


Novomykhailivka


Solodke

 

[Radola Gajda]

In looking at Putin's historical analysis, its important to understand the counter-narrative that has been developed in the modern era in the west.

From Time Magazine

1) Russia itself is a historical fiction. A fiction created by a Prussian named Innokenty Gizel. "Rus" was a failed state sometimes under the rule of Poland which did not even consider the Christians of Ukraine (then under the wise rule of Poland) to be co-religionists.

2) Crimea was never russian. The French (Voltaire) told the Russians to take over Crimea. Once the Russians took over Crimea, they stole the historic properties of both Muslims and their christian ukrainian brothers in Crimea. Unlike Russians, Ukrainians always co-existed with Islam. The peoples of Crimea were treated in the same way that Native Americans were treated by the French and British in North America.

3) No Ukrainian ever supported the Nazis. Yulian Semyonov was a james-bond style spy writer who convinced Russians including Putin of the false myth of Ukrainian Nazis. Bandara was actually an enemy of the nazis and if he was their ally, he was only their ally for the same length of time that Russia under Stalin was their ally.

Its important to understand that these people want not only the complete dismemberment of modern Russia, but its historical extermination as well.

This is dumb even by nafoid history standard.
1) I will give them that Old Rus was fractured even , before Mongols conquered place, but it is not first state or last that fragmented. For example in central Europe we have Holy Roman Empire predecessor to modern Germany . Which was far more fragmented than Rus ever was. Still it does not make Germany historical fiction.
After Mongols burned Rus to the ground Poles and Lithuainians managed to seize western Rus territories where Mongol grip was weakest. While in the east Mongols held rest of Rus until Muscovy consolidated enough power to break free. Poles never ruled entirety of Rus unless you count that one time Polish pretender was installed as tsar of Russia for short time during Russian succession crisis.
2) Muscovy was trying to take Crimea since it became independent , because Tatars living there were raiding southern Russia and Ukraine . Burning down villages, looting, and enslaving population. But Khanate of Crimea was vassal of Ottoman Empire that was strong enough to protect them until 1770s.
3) lol just lol . If that was true Ukraine would,be only country that had zero Nazi German sympathizers.

 

[MrJokerRager]

Here's a video of AFU reserves about to enter Avdiivka


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Feels less epic than this.

 

[The Ugly One]

They have forgotten that they represent the interests of the people

They made it very clear from 2016 onward that, as far as they are concerned, anyone who represents the interests of the people is a fascist.

 

[Cold Root Beer]

- "Thid war is horrible, so many people die on the daily basis, it all should stop right now!"
- "Ok, let's figure out a peace deal benificial for all sides."
- "NOOO THERE IS NO DEAL UNLESS IT'S ONLY BENEFICIAL TO US, LAY DOWN YOUR WEAPONS AND SURENDER TO WORLD AUTHORITY! KRIEG TOTALLEN!"

Why are U.S. Feds like this?

Because other countries are stupid enough to believe that the US has their best interests in heart?

 

[Fried-Rice12]

What pro-Ukraine people are saying about this.

Ukrop military mutiny when?

This is dumb even by nafoid history standard.

I finally understand why Strelkov was not assassinated like the other commanders.
Putin wants him alive so he can talk Russian/Eurasian history with him.

 

[Cuckoman]

Very promising.
They are replacing the entirety of military leadership with yes-men that are loyal to Syrski.
That means that there will never be any negotiations.

"Gen-Z was coward traitor that was afraid of heavy causalties"
-- probably Syrski

"Russian thinks they know how to do meatwave? I will show them REAL meatwave"
-- also probably Syrski

Two positives to take from this:
1, The war will continue. No peace negotiations in sight.
2, Germany will continue to suffer and de-industrializing.

(The furry faggots must surely celebrate this re-org, right? Because it guarantees no negotiations, no surrender.)