Unpopular Opinions about Video Games

[Pissmaster]

The game is very good at... For lack of a better way of explaining it, tugging at the same heartstrings that some Ghibli movies tug at, like Kiki's Adventure. It's cozy and charming and makes you feel good. It's essentially a digital drug, but instead of playing off gambling addictions or something like some games do, it just continually tries to make you feel little twinges of happiness.

That shit is gay as fuck.

 

[Psyduck]

-Stardew Valley Snip-

SV is one of those games where the art style and the "look" of the game turned me off to it, which is so strange because i love Harvest Moon, Rune Factory, and Story of Seasons. Played most of them and have hundreds of hours between all of those.

Was told by a friend this is supposed to be made by HM fans, ergo, takes everything good about the series and improves on it... So why can't i ever go more than a couple of days on it? Because the world and characters themselves just feel... Offputting? I've given the game four chances now and i barely remember any names.

As much as i'm not a fan of anime, i still remember most of the casts for HM and RF, guess the cutesy look does help in making them stand out as opposed to pixel art of normal looking people.

As far as the farming goes, i think Sunshine Islands did it best, and i mean best as in, i dont remember any other game making me plan ahead on what to sow, how much water it gets, which to sell and which to keep, animal keeping... Mightve been cause i was younger, but i remember that game being hard sometimes.

 

[MembersSchoolPizza]

That shit is gay as fuck.

To the extent that all games are basically a way to relax and get endorphin hits, it's not really doing anything that most games don't do, it's just being whatever the opposite of edgy is about it.

 

[Psyduck]

Speaking of romances in games and farm simulators...

Something i haven't seen done much that Harvest Moon did was Rival romances, where after a certain period of time passes, bachelors and bachelorettes will have scenes, dates and start bonding on their own, eventually marrying each other as well.

I actually loved that. Helped the game felt more "alive" in a way. I'm fine with not having a harem lusting after my character. Besides, some of the events between these characters are just cute.

Why yes, i'm a grown heterosexual man. Why do you ask?

 

[MembersSchoolPizza]

Something i haven't seen done much that Harvest Moon did was Rival romances, where after a certain period of time passes, bachelors and bachelorettes will have scenes, dates and start bonding on their own, eventually marrying each other as well.

Stardew Valley actually kind of does this, to a limited extent. I don't think any of them actually ever progress to marriage, but most of the NPCs you can romance have a "fallback" interest that they'll do stuff with if you don't do stuff with them.

 

[skykiii]

I'm a little confused about what you're trying to say here.

I can't read minds but... I think I get it. One thing that is bothersome about modern gaming is, because of degenerates, things that nobody would've batted an eye at twenty years ago are sick fuckery now.

You've got a girl with cat ears? Furry bait.

You've got a cast of cute little kids? Pedo bait.

The female characters are attractive? Coomer bait.

The males are attractive? Homo bait.

You have a worm? Fish bait.

You have a corpse? Worm bait.

And we are all connected to each other in a circle in a hoop that never ends.

..... on a less sexual side of this, one variant I've seen is people being more willing to call a game "political" for things that most people would not have even blinked an eye at. In the 1990s if you did a game whose plot mentioned the fall of the Soviet Union (like, say, Goldeneye) nobody would've thought anything of it. And yet recently on these very forums there was a flap where a game mentioned Covid and it was accused of being "woke" (even though the game in question actually talked about how the lockdowns tanked the economy, and thus could be read as critical of said lockdowns... which would be anti-woke.... but apparently some people prefer that the disease just never be mentioned at all).

Basically, these days, you can't do anything without either A) people linking it to some degenerate sub-culture or B) people linking it to some controversy or real-world event or C) people linking it to the beliefs of some political party or D) it somehow involving the underground dwelling race of lizard-people one of whom is sneaking up on you even as you read this post.

Its like, gee, I wonder why creativity is dead, it is such a mystery.

 

[cia-log]

Its like, gee, I wonder why creativity is dead, it is such a mystery.

I kind of feel the opposite is true, that it's the art itself that's so painfully self-aware that the constant allusions to current-year-isms are inescapable. Artists spend too much time online trying to tap into the pulse of modern culture that the shit they put out is completely typical and lacking in any subtlety. This is especially true for big studios where the slightest amount of controversy is tantamount to a death sentence and is to be avoided at all costs.

 

[Scarthew]

Star fox Assault is an underrated....

Yea i bet you love the several vore scenes. Fuck that game it's made by pedos.

You're really going to bat for this horny homo game huh

Have you played it? I'd gladly defend bg3 it deserves every bit of praise its received. In an era where developers have shyed away from depth and detail thinking itll turn away a broader audience bg3 manages to make one of the deepest interactive systems a game has ever had.

 

[Judge Dredd]

I'm a little confused about what you're trying to say here.

What I'm trying to say is that the problem isn't the devs barely disguised fetish or sexy things in general. eg. Does Lara Croft explore tombs in hot pants and a tank top because that's the most realistic adventuring gear? Of course not. It's because it's hot.

Where sex in games becomes a problem is the motives and skill behind it.

They don't have a consistent stance on fetish material. What they do is want to piss off the player base and the fetish scenes are a way to do it. A recent example would be the Suicide Squad game.

The skill aspect comes with having a bit of common sense to say when enough is enough, and when things are done for the benefit of the audience vs the benefit of the dev exclusively.


The problem with jumping at shadows is two fold. The most obvious is the boy who cried wolf. Raise too many false alarms and it discounts actual issues. Great examples of this are any time someone says an Asian game is for paedos because it has attractive women in it. We can all agree the "1000 year old dragon loli" is disgusting, but then that same argument is applied to Dragons Crown or Stellar Blade.

Both extremes of the political isle do this. The left do it with words like "problematic" and "offensive", and the right does it with words like "coomer" and "degenerate". All the while both point to the other as the problem. Both sides are prudes.

What's more, both sides keep getting caught being hypocritical about it. From 90s "family values" politicians getting caught sucking dick in a gay bar, to lefties like Vaush being caught with anime porn despite condemning it. "Lady doth protest to much" is a real thing.


The second is that it stifles creativity.
(At this point in the reply I notice Skykilli ninja'd me, but I've started so I'll finish.)
Was the original Starfox made by furries? Yes. We know this because Slippy was apparently one of the devs "fursona" before that term really existed. But that game is far from sexual.

One of the guys who worked at Rare during the golden age now posts furry pin ups online under the name JollyJack. Does that mean Banjo Kazooie was porn aimed at children?

If you make something with furries in it, it's an uphill battle because you know there'll be backlash, and AAA publishers aren't going to want that.

This isn't about furries specifically. They are just a convenient example. For more concrete examples, Dead or Alive Xtreme 3 not getting an English release due to backlash from game journos, or how about the current Stellar Blade controversy where an in game model based on a 32 year old woman is called "unrealistic" and "paedophilic".

especially the multiplayer while i've never played, i've heard nothing but good things about it

It was fun, but not at all balanced or particularly deep. It wouldn't work as a modern online game, but as a game to sit with some friends and split screen, it was a good time.

Was told by a friend this is supposed to be made by HM fans, ergo, takes everything good about the series and improves on it... So why can't i ever go more than a couple of days on it?

I don't know. I tried getting into Harvest Moon after playing Stardew and couldn't. That game was so slow, fiddly, and after an hour I was still being tutorialised instead of being able to play the game.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I'm not going to defend that scene, only say that, again, it's something that I suspect most players are never going to encounter - it requires going down the romance path for the most boring and useless character in the game, who is also the last of the "main" companions you get.

Same thing with other games. Some KOTOR players never discover the romance aspect. Some Mass Effect players skipped the romance entirely. Doesn't mean it isn't there.

But sex conceptually fits in a roleplaying game. It can be part of character development and plot progression. That's not applicable for fighting games and such. Not quite apples and oranges, they're both video games, but... apples and apple sauce?

I suppose you're right about that. It can be central to the character development or plot progression, if the player chooses to engage in it.

... For all you fanboy about KOTOR, there are three romances, and one is not human. Juhani.

Juhani is still humanoid, like Liara, Thane, and Garrus. And her romance was platonic-no romance scene, some players could mistake her affections for a female PC as just her being friendly. I mean, you can't romance Canderous, but with how much he speaks about a female PC's past achievements in the late game, I'm surprised the man isn't French-kissing your feet by then.

Like I said in another forum, that lesbian romance was snuck in. It wasn't obvious. Hence why all it amounts to is Juhani saying that she cares for you, and that could easily be interpreted as her just being a very good friend instead of a love interest.

Witcher 3.
Cyberpunk 2077.
Hell, Kingdom Come: Deliverance, one of the most based games of the past decade, had full on sex scenes six years ago.

None of those games let you fuck bears. It's strictly humans having sex.

What's more, both sides keep getting caught being hypocritical about it. From 90s "family values" politicians getting caught sucking dick in a gay bar, to lefties like Vaush being caught with anime porn despite condemning it. "Lady doth protest to much" is a real thing.

It seems like a lot of these morons on both sides love to ride on the morality train even when they're engaging in the same shit they're condemning. I mean, didn't the Bible say, ''judge not, lest ye be judged?'' It's funny that people who are guilty of the same sins they're condemning are proverbially ''casting the first stone''.

This isn't about furries specifically. They are just a convenient example. For more concrete examples, Dead or Alive Xtreme 3 not getting an English release due to backlash from game journos, or how about the current Stellar Blade controversy where an in game model based on a 32 year old woman is called "unrealistic" and "paedophilic".

Again, it's because you have a lot of these losers who got a journalism degree and got inundated with left-leaning thinking in college, but they can't get a job with a real news outfit like the Economist or the New York Times, so they're stuck writing gaming articles for game journalist outfits even though, as radical leftists, they've been taught to hate gamers. And of course, games like Stellar Blade and DOA Xtreme 3 are ''male fantasies'', and many of these journos are either angry feminists who are jealous of the fact that men choose to spend more time with hot digital babes than them, or they're men trying to fit in with feminists in a vain attempt to touch grass.

So of course, they'll attack ''male fantasies'' as per standard third-wave feminist doctrine, because male fantasies, in the eyes of feminists, are evil unto themselves. Which is fucking hilarious. You know what's also a male fantasy, aside from having hot babes? Having a nice home, a loving family, and wealth/food aplenty. But I suppose those don't pertain to the sexual matters than feminists and SJWs obsess over, so they're not being attacked.

 

[MembersSchoolPizza]

Same thing with other games. Some KOTOR players never discover the romance aspect. Some Mass Effect players skipped the romance entirely. Doesn't mean it isn't there.

Okay. It's there.

It's a very brief scene that's easer to skip than it is to see, in a huge game. If you want to let that one scene define the game, I don't know what to tell you.

Like I said in another forum, that lesbian romance was snuck in. It wasn't obvious. Hence why all it amounts to is Juhani saying that she cares for you, and that could easily be interpreted as her just being a very good friend instead of a love interest.

"I… I… I care for you. I do not know why. I do not know if anything will be possible or if you even return what I feel, but I do know it is there. I am sorry if this upsets you. I am so sorry if I am wrong, but I cannot deny what it is that I feel."

Uh-huh. And Haruka and Michiru were just cousins.

None of those games let you fuck bears. It's strictly humans having sex.

So yes, BG3 is a tad bit more degenerate than what came before. Other games with sexual content either had heavily censored romance scenes, or no fucking at all, just sexy babes that you can't slog, only smack around like a bitch who owes you money. Admitting it isn't anything bad; being so defensive over it will just end with more people picking on it.

Stop moving your goalposts.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Okay. It's there.

It's a very brief scene that's easer to skip than it is to see, in a huge game. If you want to let that one scene define the game, I don't know what to tell you.

Same thing goes for the sex scene in Mass Effect. It still wound up being one of the defining moments of the game, even though many players who skip dialogue options and spend most of their time in missions or sidequests could also wind up skipping it.

"I… I… I care for you. I do not know why. I do not know if anything will be possible or if you even return what I feel, but I do know it is there. I am sorry if this upsets you. I am so sorry if I am wrong, but I cannot deny what it is that I feel."

Uh-huh. And Haruka and Michiru were just cousins.

Again, that could easily be interpreted as her just being a very good friend. Especially when you consider the PC saved her from the Dark Side, so you know, there's that aspect of their relationship.

Stop moving your goalposts.

I didn't. You being so defensive about BG3 is basically the talking point.

 

[MembersSchoolPizza]

Same thing goes for the sex scene in Mass Effect. It still wound up being one of the defining moments of the game, even though many players who skip dialogue options and spend most of their time in missions or sidequests could also wind up skipping it.

And I said the moral panic over Mass Effect was stupid, too. What's your point?

After the initial fuss died down, I'm not sure I'd say it was "one of the defining moments" of the game. Although I would say that even if you wanted to say it was, the game clearly was casting Liara as a "main" character even among the companions... Something the next two games would go on to confirm. A slightly different situation.

Again, that could easily be interpreted as her just being a very good friend. Especially when you consider the PC saved her from the Dark Side, so you know, there's that aspect of their relationship.

That speech, delivered in a very emotional scene, could not be interpreted as her "just being a very good friend" by anyone who didn't work at CWi in the 1990s.

I didn't. You being so defensive about BG3 is basically the talking point.

Goalpost: Other games with sexual content either had heavily censored romance scenes, or no fucking at all, just sexy babes that you can't slog, only smack around like a bitch who owes you money.

Moved goalpost: None of those games let you fuck bears. It's strictly humans having sex.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

After the initial fuss died down, I'm not sure I'd say it was "one of the defining moments" of the game.

It kind of is. Not only does the second game nag you if you cheat on your romance from the first game, but the sex scene was one of the more exotic experiences for RPGs at the time.

That speech, delivered in a very emotional scene, could not be interpreted as her "just being a very good friend" by anyone who didn't work at CWi in the 1990s.

Actually, it can. Sisterly love IS a thing, and the female PC practically saved Juhani's soul. While the dialogue was intended for a romance, at the time, in 2003, that just sounded like one female having a strong friendship with another, kind of like Golden Girls in space.

Goalpost: Other games with sexual content either had heavily censored romance scenes, or no fucking at all, just sexy babes that you can't slog, only smack around like a bitch who owes you money.

Moved goalpost: None of those games let you fuck bears. It's strictly humans having sex.

And both of them are my point. BG3 was more explicit than most RPG romances, unless you count the Witcher series. But not even CDPRed lets you fuck bears.

Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing on its own, we all have our tastes, but come on. It clearly is designed for people with a certain kind of fetish. Just like how Asari back in 2007 were designed for straight males; they're all women, they live long, they all have shapely curves, they got psychic powers, they're very open to screwing with humans, and they get bigger boobs as they age.

 

[cia-log]

I don't hate sex in games out of any prudish impulse but because it's almost always the dumbest, most poorly written pandering in any game it's in. Maybe some day people who write games can come up with an intelligent, mature romance subplot, but as it stands they do such a poor job it makes me wonder what their actual domestic life looks like.

 

[MembersSchoolPizza]

Actually, it can. Sisterly love IS a thing, and the female PC practically saved Juhani's soul. While the dialogue was intended for a romance, at the time, in 2003, that just sounded like one female having a strong friendship with another, kind of like Golden Girls in space.

It still doesn't sound like that, delivered the way it was in game.

And both of them are my point. BG3 was more explicit than most RPG romances, unless you count the Witcher series. But not even CDPRed lets you fuck bears.

The Witcher series. And Cyberpunk. And Kingdom Come: Deliverance. Not to mention a whole host of games that feature nudity in sexual scenes but will creatively put a chair back or something in between as a fig-leaf of censorship for legal reasons while not really doing anything to even remotely hide what's happening.

Again, I'm not saying that's a bad thing on its own, we all have our tastes, but come on. It clearly is designed for people with a certain kind of fetish. Just like how Asari back in 2007 were designed for straight males; they're all women, they live long, they all have shapely curves, they got psychic powers, they're very open to screwing with humans, and they get bigger boobs as they age.

What fetish is Baldur's Gate 3 clearly designed for?

No, don't bring up the fucking bear scene again. Again: One very brief optional scene of one optional character you don't even get until a third of the way through the game if you end up getting him. That does not mean the game was "clearly designed for" that scene. That would be like saying Final Fantasy 6 was clearly designed for Opera fans because it had a scene where you have one character sing one song in an opera. Hell, I'd say you have a better argument for that case, because the opera house scene is sometimes considered one of the most impactful scenes of the game.



So exactly what fetish is it Baldur's Gate 3 is "clearly designed for"?

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

It still doesn't sound like that, delivered the way it was in game.

Yes it does. Especially considering that, male or female, Juhani idolizes the PC for saving them from Mandalorian slavers AND the Dark Side. That is, if you chose not to kill her. That's why it flew under the radar back in 2003, back when people didn't really like gays that much, and an openly gay relationship in a Star Wars game would've never flown back then.

The Witcher series. And Cyberpunk. And Kingdom Come: Deliverance. Not to mention a whole host of games that feature nudity in sexual scenes but will creatively put a chair back or something in between as a fig-leaf of censorship for legal reasons while not really doing anything to even remotely hide what's happening.

Those games came out after Mass Effect 1, save for Witcher 1, where the sex scene has the camera pan away as Geralt boinks the lady in question.

No, don't bring up the fucking bear scene again. Again: One very brief optional scene of one optional character you don't even get until a third of the way through the game if you end up getting him.

So exactly what fetish is it Baldur's Gate 3 is "clearly designed for"?

Yes, I will bring up the bear scene again. The sex scenes in Mass Effect were also very brief, less than a minute, but they're some of the more important aspects of the story. And yes, just as the Asari were designed with appealing to straight men who consume sci-fi in mind, the bear/man that the player can have sex with in BG3 is designed with furries in mind.

Again, you seem to be so defensive when someone makes a passing comment at BG3 being so open about sexual relationships, but that's nothing to be ashamed of, just as men enjoying video games with nice-looking waifus is nothing to be ashamed of. Trying to deflect it just makes you look silly. It's like getting pissed off when someone says that DOA and Soulcalibur were made for men who like women with big anime titties. It's you getting pissed off at people who were merely stating the obvious.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

Suicide Squad kills the Justice League is just ok. It's not bad but not good either.
As far as woke esg products are concerned it doesn't even crack the top 30 of the worst.

 

[MembersSchoolPizza]

Yes it does. Especially considering that, male or female, Juhani idolizes the PC for saving them from Mandalorian slavers AND the Dark Side. That is, if you chose not to kill her. That's why it flew under the radar back in 2003, back when people didn't really like gays that much, and an openly gay relationship in a Star Wars game would've never flown back then.

You have a shockingly different definition of "flew under the radar" than I do, guy.

The most appropriate joke here is "denial isn't just a river in Egypt, honey".

Those games came out after Mass Effect 1, save for Witcher 1, where the sex scene has the camera pan away as Geralt boinks the lady in question.

You see that post in the ground, right here? Now look over there. Do you see that hole? And the one over there? And the one allll the way over there?

Stop moving the post.

You've gone from "games didn't have explicit scenes until BG3", to "none of those scenes involved bears". When called out on moving the goalpost from point A to point B, you instead moved it to point C, "games didn't have explicit scenes until BG3, except for the Witcher series". When I called you out on that, you moved it from point C to point D, "those games came out after mass effect 1", which was never the goddamned argument.

Yes, I will bring up the bear scene again. The sex scenes in Mass Effect were also very brief, less than a minute, but they're some of the more important aspects of the story. And yes, just as the Asari were designed with appealing to straight men who consume sci-fi in mind, the bear/man that the player can have sex with in BG3 is designed with furries in mind.

Which doesn't mean the game was "clearly designed for" that.

Again, you seem to be so defensive when someone makes a passing comment at BG3 being so open about sexual relationships, but that's nothing to be ashamed of, just as men enjoying video games with nice-looking waifus is nothing to be ashamed of. Trying to deflect it just makes you look silly. It's like getting pissed off when someone says that DOA and Soulcalibur were made for men who like women with big anime titties. It's you getting pissed off at people who were merely stating the obvious.

Leave. The fucking. Goalpost. Alone.

That was never what I took issue with.

But fine. You want to use DOA as an example? Here's a more accurate example:

"DOA is a game clearly designed for people with a fetish for guys in metalic alien gimp suits", because one costume of one character is a guy in a metallic alien gimp suit. When by your own judgement, it's a game for men who like women with big anime titties.

 

[Shadfan666xxx000]

Yellow paint in vidya is fine. It's not because gamers are dumb either. It's because people tend to mark important shit with yellow markings IRL. It's probably one of the best ways to make a diegetic guide in a video game without jerking them around.