Debate Android Raptor about abortion again

[Android raptor]

Then he's a fucking nog and needs to be dumped. The condoms are for his own protection.


Babytrap the momma?! Nobody is after that. Even if you're a millionaire, the child support alone could bankrupt you. For all our bitching about child support, it is a wonderful fucking deterrent for doing this. Anyone who is looking to babytrap a woman is a fool. I have never met a single man who wanted this.

I swear to God, sometimes you truly act like you have never spoken to a man who wasn't a retard on the internet. Is KiwiFarms is the #1 exposure to males you have in your life? No sane man would EVER try to a babytrap a woman.


Oh so NOW you don't believe in the science. Okay, but that's not the majority of people. The medical science we have today to prevent births from causing problems is suddenly not good enough for you? You pull these arguments of fringe moments that rarely happen like a huge "gotcha" moment but they're just not. Modern science has made child birth's safer than it ever has been.

And no amount of modern medicine is going to make it safe for a 10 year-old to give birth, or prevent shit like pre-eclampsia, uterine prolapse, permanent incontinence, post-partum psychosis, and a whole host of issues pregnancy causes. Especially with maternal mortality being on rise in the US, particularly in red states.

Plenty of men try to babytrap women so their mommy bangmaid doesn't ditch their nasty ass. It's pretty common amongst conservative moids especially. It's also easy as fuck to get around paying child support (and it's not like you have to pay it if mommy bamgmaid is still trapped under the same roof as you).

Here is a paper about reproductive coercion against women, including pregnancy coersion. It notes repeatedly there is a strong overlap between intimate partner violence and reproductive coercion so yes, shitty men are forcing women to get pregnant to keep then trapped in a relationship.

 

[AgendaPoster]

I also believe that souls exist, if I didn't I wouldn't see anything wrong with abortion, or for that matter, murder.

Soul is about recognizing that living things have a consciousness and inner life. To that extent animals have souls, albeit lesser ones than humans (my dog can be bad or good to an extent, a horse can too, but it's not the same as a human being, which is why we don't consider animals to be moral actors.)

if you need me to point to some physical phenomenon as the seat of the soul, I'll go with electrical activity in the brain. And people can be sick in their souls - that's the root of the word "psychiatry" and "psychiatric illness" in English. But I also attribute things like widower syndrome and those miracle bounce-back cases of people who probably ought to have died from their illness or injury as examples of the soul exerting its influence on the body.

I know for a fact that you are smart enough to understand the difference between personal belief which can range from "my lived experience", to complete hallucinatory woo-woo and actual objective reality that one can measure.
You really, really don't want to come to the hospital to get your soul fixed. You really don't want a plane pilot that is trained based on their inner beliefs.
Post modern lunacy is corrosive and dangerous, and should be shunned to the church, mosque, psychiatrist or w/e other shit one needs to deal with their inner demons and troubles.
Stay out of state business, economy, and everything else that's not "spiritual".

 

[Stan]

I think it's perfectly ethical. If the problem is the dad, it's your fault letting a loser nut in you. Don't let losers nut in you. That simple.

If the problem is money, well we have all these lovely welfare programs. Sure, you can argue all day about it but the help IS there.

If the problem is you simply don't want kids, then put the baby up for fucking adoption. There are plenty of couples that want kids.

On the fringe percent chance you were graped by an uncle or shitskin, tough shit. Do the above.

The child still has a chance at a good life and to be a functioning society member, even if their parents were not.

Why are you trying to drag this convo back to “women bear all fault for intended pregnancies and no I don’t get laid”, population you?

And what happened to “it takes two to tango”? An unintended pregnancy is also the fault of the father, isn’t it? But to you it’s like women need to be the gatekeepers and the chattel… they cannot be both.

I know it’s a bugbear for you that women can abort if they choose. But on the balance, I’m going to side with an overwhelmed mom struggling to care for her existing children than with a terminally online man-child who struggles to understand how to mind his own onions.

And fwiw I think making a woman carry a pregnancy she doesn’t want is some Rosemary’s Baby shit gtfo. I have had a baby, and I’ve also been a mid twenty something who used to panic at the thought.

 

[Party Hat Wurmple]

And no amount of modern medicine is going to make it safe for a 10 year-old to give birth, or prevent shit like pre-eclampsia, uterine prolapse, permanent incontinence, post-partum psychosis, and a whole host of issues pregnancy causes. Especially with maternal mortality being on rise in the US, particularly in red states.

There is no statistically significant portion of 10 years giving birth. This is another fringe fucking incident. The incidents of it happening are so few and far between you can count the number of times you hear about it organically on one hand. Majority of women do not experience these things. Majority of women are fine.

Plenty of men try to babytrap women so their mommy bangmaid doesn't ditch their nasty ass. It's pretty common amongst conservative moids especially.

Have you ever considered that you spend too much time on KiwiFarms, a website where it makes fun of men who do dumb shit like this? Have you considered that the users of Kf are all also retarded and autistic? Have you considered that maybe, just maybe your framing of what men are actually like has been warped because you do nothing but talk to and about autistic retards all day? No man is like this. No normal non autistic man is looking to babytrap a woman like this.

 

[Android raptor]

There is no statistically significant portion of 10 years giving birth. This is another fringe fucking incident. The incidents of it happening are so few and far between you can count the number of times you hear about it organically on one hand. Majority of women do not experience these things. Majority of women are fine.

But girls 10 (and younger) getting pregnant does happen, no amount is ok and there's no justification for forcing even one child to give birth. That has killed kids.

Most women do experience some effect from pregnancy, even if they aren't telling you about it. There's a reason so many middle aged women piss themselves when they laugh or sneeze, for example. Pregnancy is serious shit.

Saying no normal men babytrap women doesn't stop some men from doing it. If a man is already beating/raping/etc his wife/gf, tampering with her birth control or threatening her if she doesn't get pregnant isn't much of a stretch. Abusers want to control their victims as much as possible and pregnancy/having a kid makes it very easy for abusive men to control and trap women with them.

 

[Kumquat]

You know what would be a really satisfying way to get rid of an unwanted crotch maggot tho? Just straight up stomping on it. Imagine it's crying or making some other obnoxious noises so you just chuck it on the floor and kick until the only thing you can hear are the noises of its remains splattering on the floor. Maybe get fancy with it and try a drop kick first.

Could also do what I remember doing with Skydancers and see what happens if you throw it at the ceiling fan when it's turned on max speed. Could see that ending in comical newborn decapitation misadventures, like you chuck the wailing shitrat at the fan and it hits at exactly the right time to slice its head clean off, which obviously goes flying opposite of its body and is a hilarious mental image.

Anybody wasting your time with Ms. Raptor must read this first to get a good idea of exactly the kind of person you're dealing with.

Whether your pro-abortion or anti-abortion, this debate is fruitless with this particular individual. Android Raptor is a deeply disturbed and deranged individual. She openly fantasies about brutally murdering babies in vivid detail. She'll bring up whatever desperate arguments she can in favor of abortion, but none of them really matter to her. All she cares about is killing babies. She doesn't give a shit about rape victims, or struggling moms, or anything like that. She just soaks her panties at the thought of dead babies. That's it.

You are wasting your time. You will not convince her. She is already lost to the abyss of depravity and evil. I'm honestly surprised she doesn't have her own thread yet.

 

[John R. Brown M.D.]

Because it makes it harder for them to babytrap a fuckmommy. Tradmoids are mad about anything that could theoretically interfere with their ability to babytrap any woman that makes the mistake of having sex with them (not that many women are likely to make that mistake, which is why so many of them bitch about age of consent).

the average age for onset of breast development is 8.8-9.7 years, depending on the child's ethnicity.

Remember, trust the science!

Well, then their fundamental problem is that women can choose their partner at all, and their second biggest problem is that women can break up with them and they have no way of forcing her to stay.

I do agree that most tradmoids think pregnant = trapped tho

It is harder to leave an abusive relationship if you're pregnant or have kids. They are right about that. Needing to escape an abusive relationship is a pretty common reason for abortion (and I've seen plenty of women say they wouldn't have been able to escape if they didn't get an abortion).

Tradmoids are mad women don't have to marry the first dude who asks if they want basic necessities like food and shelter any more, and that now you have to be a decent person if you want a wife. They'd rather strip women of all rights than work on becoming a better person.

Well, that's why God created basements and chains, there you go, problem solved.

 

[Party Hat Wurmple]

It notes repeatedly there is a strong overlap between intimate partner violence and reproductive coercion so yes, shitty men are forcing women to get pregnant to keep then trapped in a relationship.

That's not the majority of men though. Those are autistic retards. Which again, go back to what I say: don't let losers nut in you. But in case you did, and he turned out to be an abusive retard, then use the tools we have to protect women like they were intended to be used. Rake him over the coals into financial destitution via child support, and if he was dumb enough to marry you thinking you'd never leave, in fucking alimony. And if he doesn't pay, have him publicly served and send his ass to prison.

And what happened to “it takes two to tango”? An unintended pregnancy is also the fault of the father, isn’t it? But to you it’s like women need to be the gatekeepers and the chattel… they cannot be both.

There's nothing really wrong with what you originally said. My point of view is just the opposite is all. Unfortunately for women, they just don't have the room for error that men do. They normally still have to clean up the mess a bad partner leaves behind. Sometimes it just sucks being a woman. That's why I harp on the "not dating retards" thing.

But girls 10 (and younger) getting pregnant does happen, no amount is ok and there's no justification for forcing even one child to give birth. That has killed kids.

Most women do experience some effect from pregnancy, even if they aren't telling you about it. There's a reason so many middle aged women piss themselves when they laugh or sneeze, for example. Pregnancy is serious shit.

Saying no normal men babytrap women doesn't stop some men from doing it. If a man is already beating/raping/etc his wife/gf, tampering with her birth control or threatening her if she doesn't get pregnant isn't much of a stretch. Abusers want to control their victims as much as possible and pregnancy/having a kid makes it very easy for abusive men to control and trap women with them.

You can't stop everything of anything from happening. Just because it shouldn't happen doesn't mean you can stop it. It's never stopping unless we're going to start putting kids in chastity belts. "Zero tolerance policies" of any kind have always been gay, retarded, and proven not to work. Especially not when the politicians who make these laws are the one who do it the most.

Women piss themselves when they sneeze or laugh? KEK. Okay, guess I'll never be funny again.

Anybody wasting your time with Ms. Raptor must read this first to get a good idea of exactly the kind of person you're dealing with.

Sometimes I bash my head against a wall for fun. Seriously, everyone knows Robot Dinosaur and her stances. Sometimes screaming into the void is a fun way to pass an hour or two.

 

[Stan]

Stay out of state business, economy, and everything else that's not "spiritual

Fine by me but remember the personal is political. At end of the day we do expect medical personnel to follow a code of ethics, and those rules are modeled after those of the church.

There is no statistically significant portion of 10 years giving birth. This is another fringe fucking incident. The incidents of it happening are so few and far between you can count the number of times you hear about it organically on one hand. Majority of women do not experience these things. Majority of women are fine

lol calm down

Anybody wasting your time with Ms. Raptor must read this first to get a good idea of exactly the kind of person you're dealing with.

Whether your pro-abortion or anti-abortion, this debate is fruitless with this particular individual. Android Raptor is a deeply disturbed and deranged individual. She openly fantasies about brutally murdering babies in vivid detail. She'll bring up whatever desperate arguments she can in favor of abortion, but none of them really matter to her. All she cares about is killing babies. She doesn't give a shit about rape victims, or struggling moms, or anything like that. She just soaks her panties at the thought of dead babies. That's it.

You are wasting your time. You will not convince her. She is already lost to the abyss of depravity and evil. I'm honestly surprised she doesn't have her own thread yet.

Ayy it’s a big tent homie, everyone’s entitled to an opinion. So long as AR refrains from IRL infanticide, she’s doing better than many actual real parents who kill their babies by violence or neglect. Free speech eh

 

[AnOminous]

E

Ew, gay

You want it, you need it, you're giving birth to my babies whether you want it or not, just try to abort them you murderer.

 

[AgendaPoster]

follow a code of ethics, and those rules are modeled after those of the church.

Absolutely not, fuck that shit.
I took Hippocrates's Oath, predating church stuff by many centuries.

 

[Party Hat Wurmple]

Absolutely not, fuck that shit.
I took Hippocrates's Oath, predating church stuff by many centuries.

Shut up and fix my soul, medicine man.

 

[Stan]

That's not the majority of men though. Those are autistic retards. Which again, go back to what I say: don't let losers nut in you. But in case you did, and he turned out to be an abusive retard, then use the tools we have to protect women like they were intended to be used. Rake him over the coals into financial destitution via child support, and if he was dumb enough to marry you thinking you'd never leave, in fucking alimony. And if he doesn't pay, have him publicly served and send his ass to prison.

That’s not how any of this works.
First, if you know the guy’s a twat you wouldn’t fuck him at all. Why is it wholly Women’s job to figure out who the jerks are and never men’s job to not be a jerk? Why aren’t you preaching to the men not to be lousy bastards but feel entitled to tell women, over and over, that unwanted pregnancies are our body, our problem?

Second, I thought men were against trying to punish deadbeat fathers by garnishing wages and demanding child support.

Third, alimony is typically awarded when you’re looking at a marriage of many years where one spouse earned a lot more money than the other. In these cases spousal support can be awarded based on some formula regarding your income and duration of marriage.

Fourth, why are you so sure these cads aren’t judgement proof (ie broke)?

 

[AgendaPoster]

Shut up and fix my soul, medicine man.

For souls as broken as here on KF, only the strongest opiates would do

 

[Kumquat]

Ayy it’s a big tent homie, everyone’s entitled to an opinion. So long as AR refrains from IRL infanticide, she’s doing better than many actual real parents who kill their babies by violence or neglect. Free speech eh

Oh, I get that. I'm just saying that trying to debate abortion with someone like AR is kind of like debating with a serial killer on the ethics of murder. You just ain't gonna win that fight. Even if someone were to systematically demolish and uproot every single pro-abortion argument, even if God himself came down from Heaven and told AR "abortion is wrong," she would still cling to it and defend it because all she cares about is dead babies.

I'm not demanding AR be censored or shut up. She's free to shout her love of infanticide from the rooftops if she likes. Likewise, I am free to call her a deranged lunatic and laugh at her insanity.

 

[John R. Brown M.D.]

Fine by me but remember the personal is political. At end of the day we do expect medical personnel to follow a code of ethics, and those rules are modeled after those of the church.

Really showing your knowledge of history, philosophy and medicine.

It's way more fucking accurate to say that the rules of the church are modeled after healthcare codes of ethics.

 

[m1ddl3m4rch]

Why is it wholly Women’s job to figure out who the jerks are and never men’s job to not be a jerk?

Because there is always a jerk nearby, and it's "fool me twice, shame on me". Are women not strong enough to use their brains? Or do they just not have any?

 

[Party Hat Wurmple]

That’s not how any of this works.
First, if you know the guy’s a twat you wouldn’t fuck him at all. Why is it wholly Women’s job to figure out who the jerks are and never men’s job to not be a jerk? Why aren’t you preaching to the men not to be lousy bastards but feel entitled to tell women, over and over, that unwanted pregnancies are our body, our problem?

Second, I thought men were against trying to punish deadbeat fathers by garnishing wages and demanding child support.

Third, alimony is typically awarded when you’re looking at a marriage of many years where one spouse earned a lot more money than the other. In these cases spousal support can be awarded based on some formula regarding your income and duration of marriage.

Fourth, why are you so sure these cads aren’t judgement proof (ie broke)?

First, it's easier to teach normal women to identify and leave jerks than it is to teach retarded and autistic men to not be retarded and autistic. Trust me, I have tried to teach retards to not be retarded. It doesn't work. Unfortunately, getting pregnant is always your problem. The abusive ass hole can get hit by a bus and his mess will still be your problem. Sometimes it just sucks having a vagina.

Second, yeah guys are kinda like that until you see women in other non western countries get absolutely FUCKED by their family court laws. So, somewhere in there is a healthy balance.

If a guy is broke, you can always take away his freedom. You can and will go to jail for unpaid child support. (At least in Burgerland.) If you want to go scorched earth, go scorched earth. It's worth every penny.

For souls as broken as here on KF, only the strongest opiates would do

Shoot me up, opium daddy.

 

[Android raptor]

The problem is abusers tend to hide their true nature until they feel like they have a victim trapped. Many abusive men first start abusing their partners when they become pregnant. Many abuse victims also grew up in abusive homes and are normalized to abuse. Some are also minor girls who were groomed by pedophiles.

 

[John R. Brown M.D.]

The problem is abusers tend to hide their true nature until they feel like they have a victim trapped. Many abusive men first start abusing their partners when they become pregnant. Many abuse victims also grew up in abusive homes and are normalized to abuse. Some are also minor girls who were groomed by pedophiles.

You're a confessed abuser so I take your word on this one