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Not to sound like a party pooper, but I'm too blackpilled on black company shenanigans to believe that this whole debacle will lead to Niji as a company going down. Unless there is a mass exodus of talents from the JP side, which is a near impossibility.
 
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I'm not certain how much I believe the idea that Niji EN is some rogue breakaway independent nation - we saw what happened to Chinami, so Japan isn't free of the nonsense, and they just lost Chihiro, who INSTANTLY came back under her own flag. Add to that what Sayu said about management, and it makes me think the EN management is Japanese people who can just about speak enough English to manage, rather than hiring Canadians, Americans, French people, etc.

Which I can agree with, anything to avoid hiring a French person.

Crosspost from TVA on the topic of Chihiro (and somewhat related to her swift resumption of activities after graduating):

Saw this in the Spacebattles thread:
Someone there found some Japanese comment that claims Chihiro had to pay for lawsuits against her antis.
chihirogumi or any other Chihiro fans around here, do you guys know anything about this?

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>>432

アンチによる(るる)
「アンチとの訴訟でさえ自費」による(ちひろ)
などなど
勇気ちひろ2nd

見えない所で沢山闘ってた。
みんなにもらったスパチャのおかげで訴えれた。
こんな事に使ってしまったの本当に申し訳ないです……
でも本当にありがとう…
おかげで闘えた。
そして、スパチャを投げていなくても沢山応援してくれたみんな、本当にありがとう。
1人じゃないって思えたから頑張れた。
google translate said:
Due to antis (Ruru)
``Even lawsuits with antis are at my own expense'' (Chihiro)
etc.
Chihiro Chihiro 2nd

was fighting a lot in invisible places.
Thanks to the superchas everyone gave me, I was able to sue.
I'm really sorry for wasting my time on something like this...
but thank you so much...
Thanks to you, I was able to fight.
Also, thank you so much to everyone who supported me so much even when I wasn't throwing superchas.
I was able to do my best because I felt like I wasn't alone.
deepl said:
By Anti (Ruru)
By "even lawsuits with antis are at my own expense" (Chihiro)
etc. etc.
Yuki Chihiro 2nd

I was fighting a lot in a place where I couldn't be seen.
I was able to sue thanks to the spacha that everyone gave me.
I'm really sorry I spent it on this ......
But thank you so much...
Thanks to you, I was able to fight.
And thank you so much to everyone who supported me even though I didn't throw the spacha.
I could do my best because I felt I was not alone.

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chihirogumi said:
I didn't know she actually went into detail about the lawsuit on stream. Good to know. I'll have to look for the stream after the lawsuit was publicized to confirm if this is what she said. That being said, this doesn't surprise me one bit now that I think about it. During the big earthquake in Japan this past New Years' Day, she was still streaming. A lot of fans were worried about her getting in trouble with management for streaming during a natural disaster. She basically said she didn't give a shit about getting in trouble because she's leaving in a month anyway (lmao). She also said she wouldn't be sending her superchats to charity because she needs it to live. This also explains why she re-debuted so quickly with a new live 2D model and merchandise from day 1 on her re-debut stream. Dragging their feet to help her with the harassment issue for two whole years and then making her use all her earnings for lawyer fees is pretty fucked. I'm hoping they offered to subsidize some of the fees, but I am not holding my breath.


TLDR: She may have had to pay for the lawsuits against her antis, and her swift return after graduation is likely because she needs the money.
 
Not to sound like a party pooper, but I'm too blackpilled on black company shenanigans to believe that this whole debacle will lead to Niji as a company going down. Unless there is a mass exodus of talents from the JP side, which is a near impossibility.

Niji as a company won't go down, but NijiEN will burn to the ground, because their reputation has now being ruined. I have a feeling NijiJP will throw EN to the wolves and let them deal with their own bullshit. When Selen starts filing lawsuits, we'll see how quickly JP divorces itself from EN.
 
Not to sound like a party pooper, but I'm too blackpilled on black company shenanigans to believe that this whole debacle will lead to Niji as a company going down. Unless there is a mass exodus of talents from the JP side, which is a near impossibility.
While NijiEN needs to go, if Niji goes away because of a fat chink who takes her life over mean words, I'll be upset. At that point I have no more good will for Doki.
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Some autist found an interesting post back at the graduation of Maid Mint

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sauce

Post references Ryuusei Nova (Elira) and Maid Mint (Pomu)
Why is this more relevant than a normal schizo post?

The graduation was 3/4/2021, a month and a half before the teaser for Lazulight showcasing Mint's voice in her new role as Pomu.
However, anon already knew that the two would be working together, probably told by Pomu herself since she speaks of Elira negatively here. It is very likely that this anon was a vtuber and friend of Pomu, one who had also known Elira before or maybe collabed with her. It seems even this far back Elira was causing problems

Gives the Grand Unifying Rrat a little extra bite imo. Any ancient Pomudachis have any guesses as to who this anon vtuber could've been?

Also this scene becomes a lot less "for the lulz" looking at it today. It always seemed odd that Elira created the entire NijiEN discord server and had admin privileges over fellow livers

 
People found a job application form from Nijisanji. They pay multilingual students 1113 yen per hour for the parttimer job (link | archive). Basicly it's the kind of job that was show in the screenshot during Elira's stream. Crazy to think that some underpaid university student like this set everything in motion by fucking up the permission process.
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Why is there higher requirements to knowing Korean & Chinese and not English for the English position? And why is it meant for students only? Forget my earlier post. They have no intention of steering the EN ship out of disaster because they're expecting to find a unicorn in a glue factory.
 
I'm sure the students can find better minimum wage jobs
Yeah but how many of those jobs let you (potentially) work with your Oshi? I think thats the entire reason they targeted the job listing to students, the only people who wouldn't turn tail and run are young adults with parasocial relationships with Vtubers in Niji and those people would probably power through any shit treatment just in hopes of being in the same company as their Oshi. At least that's how I see it.
 
People found a job application form from Nijisanji. They pay multilingual students 1113 yen per hour for the parttimer job (link | archive). Basicly it's the kind of job that was show in the screenshot during Elira's stream. Crazy to think that some underpaid university student like this set everything in motion by fucking up the permission process.
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Niggersanji really hits every single bullet point of the "retard hits it big after using daddy's money to bruteforce a startup" playbook.
Why hire the best possible talent when you can just burn through people, and accidentally stumble onto some greats?
Why pay your talent when you can give them 2% and then gaslight them into staying with the whole "It's a big happy family" spiel?
Why support your talent when they'll pay out of pocket, because they're in a big company now, and there's standards to uphold?
Why pay actual human wages to a couple of competent managers, when you can spend half of that hiring 10, stressed out of their mind, barely adult, college students who think this will look good on their resume?
 
Yeah but how many of those jobs let you (potentially) work with your Oshi? I think thats the entire reason they targeted the job listing to students, the only people who wouldn't turn tail and run are young adults with parasocial relationships with Vtubers in Niji and those people would probably power through any shit treatment just in hopes of being in the same company as their Oshi. At least that's how I see it.
Never thought of that, but they would still be working for the EN branch. From what I can tell, Japan has no idea about the NijiEN talents.
 
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Why is there higher requirements to knowing Korean & Chinese and not English for the English position?
I don't know how to break it to you but it says right there that native level English is essential and Korean/Chinese are merely welcome additions.

Your English might not be at the required level to be a Niji Intern.
They pay multilingual students 1113 yen per hour for the parttimer job
Not even beating conbini workers
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Pathetic, behold the Grand Unified Rrat aka the God Rrat (rentry)
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!!! danger Don't harass people outside of /vt/ you faggots

# What is the Grand Unified Rrat (the God Rrat)?

The GURRAT is a rrat that strives to explain all of the baffling news coming out of NijiEN for the past year. The true beauty of the GURRAT, however, is in its simplicity and elegance: it's able to tie together most of the verifiable information we know from several separate instances, and crucially do so without at any point invoking shadowy unknown management characters pulling the strings, or assuming the unbelievable stupidity, cartoonish Machiavellian malice, or irrational behavior without obvious motivations that other rrats require. The core of the rrat is as follows:

>\>NijiEN launches in May 2021 with their first wave LazuLight. At this time, it's a small branch without dedicated staff. However, we know that at this time, members of the recently disbanded Nijisanji India branch, specifically ex-Liver Noor, were being used as EN management.

>\>However, quickly the EN branch outgrew its small staff. Obsydia, Ethyria, Luxiem and Noctyx debuted within less than a year. JP management couldn't speak English, and there weren't enough English-speaking staff to manage all the new talents as the popularity of the branch exploded.

>\>To make matters, worse in early 2022, half the EN managers and staff left to found and subsequently bankrupt a failed NFT company ([source](https://twitter.com/TheDarkEnjoyer/status/1755902910309835257/photo/1)). Some of the ex-IN talents were promoted further upward. Allegedly, talents were at this point effectively self-governing, avoiding involving the ineffective upper management whenever possible. By the time Iluna debuted in July 2022, official management had become almost vestigial, with a single 2-week-old hire as the manager for the entire branch (source: [One Girl's Story, Sayu](https://archive.org/details/one-girls-story/))

>\>Also throughout this time, bilingual talents were being used as translators and go-betweens for the English speaking (EN) talents to communicate with the Japanese speaking management. (source: Sayu's interview with FalseEyeD, Feb. 5th)

>\>As the number of English speaking staff decreased and the number of Livers exploded, these liaisons started to become more and more important to the operations of the branch, with EN talents having to go through them to communicate with JP upper management. Chief among these was daisenpai Elira Pendora, bilingual, who already had other friends nepo-hired to the company.

>\>As time goes on, to cut out the middle man of needing to constantly send things back and forth between the glacially slow JP managers via translation, more and more managerial duties are effectively delegated to these liaison talents themselves, with Elira then sub-delegating to other trusted talents (her friends). Eventually, there is effectively a shadow bureaucracy of manager-talents, headed by Elira, in charge of organizing projects, getting permissions, translating, comissioning contractors, etc.

>\>As a result, a natural favoritism system is established, creating a toxic work environment where talents who are on good terms with Elira and the shadow management are able to get their projects fast tracked and those who aren't are able to be stonewalled and mired in bureaucracy unless they can speak Japanese to communicate directly with upper management.

>\>By the start of 2023, the year of near constant NijiEN yabs, the insane are effectively running the asylum

So where does Selen come in?

>\>Selen was ambitious. She had near constant projects and always needed to follow up with management on some commission or idea or video. She was by all accounts, at least a little bit difficult to work with, and not suited to a Japanese workplace environment or tolerant of bureaucracy. She was the most successful female talent. She was Elira's lore sister, but seemingly they didn't personally get along. She didn't participate in the secret gc stream. She can't speak Japanese, and thus had to rely on the shadow management liasons as the go-between for her numerous highly involved projects. She openly criticized management and went behind their backs to get things done. She was probably a pain in their collective asses while also being more successful than them in her streaming career.

>\>Throughout that time, Selen felt stifled by management and correctly recognized the obvious favoritism where others would quickly get approval for things she couldn't, or be offered sponsorships she was cut out of, despite being the biggest female Liver. She tried to work with them but constantly was stonewalled with red tape and felt singled out for special harassment. Her projects were often axed or mired in bureaucracy and delayed for no clear reason. As a result, she started going out herself to get her own permissions, sponsors, and commissions, which bothered the clique even more and caused them to turn down or sabotage her self-organized projects for not getting prior approval through them.

>\>Things came to a head with the Last Cup of Coffee MV, which was important to her and had been in the works for a long time, with her having to directly go chase down permissions because management wouldn't do it. When she was given the run-around once again, it was the last straw and she went rogue.

>\>This culminates in her multiple attempts (on her life) ([source](https://twitter.com/dokibird/status/1757763627413631383?t=2mlA19rIk3GTBbhAu6SvFQ&s=19)), termination, and reincarnation as Dokibird.

## Why should I believe the GURRAT?

Simply put, the GURRAT explains and ties together most of the otherwise inexplicable actions of Nijisanji management. While originally intended to explain Elira's black screen stream, anons discovered that it fits together numerous pieces of otherwise confusing information.
- Starting with the black screen stream, this gives plausible motivations for Elira's actions. Unlike other rrats which require a cabal of 40IQ managers holding a gun to her head to release a disastrous statement undercutting their own CEO, or Elira to be such an evil, petty psychopath that she willingly self-destructed for no discernable reason other than sheer spite, this rrat gives her multiple plausible, understandable motivations:
>\>she was afraid of the contents of doki's document, which show a history of gross managerial misconduct, and was attempting to preemptively discredit it and damage control
>\>caught between the public and JP management and trying to cover her own ass rather than the company's reputation
>\>she was frustrated and defensive because it was her and her friends personally, not some random Japanese middle manager, who she believes doki disrespected
>\>she volunteered her channel, because as a leader she should take the bullet for her own mistakes
>\>JP management told her to clean up her mess
>\>etc
- It also explains how she and Vox got ahold of supposedly confidential documents, as effective management they will have been privy to it and maybe even used to translate it.
- It explains why her, Enna, and Millie's names were specifically listed in that document; they were the most responsible for the managerial bullying
- It explains the obviously spiteful timing of that announcement, and the tone of the contents therein, which were extremely unprofessional and would never have been something a random PR manager with no skin in the game would endorse. It explains as well how she got ahold of those screenshots without running her insane plan through actual adult managers.
- It explains why the other talents are so assblasted about Selen giving the middle managers trouble in the first place.
- It explains why the there is such an obvious night and day difference between Elira's black screen video statement and Riku's statement, which by its tone, went through an actual PR auditing. The clashing of contents between both statements signals that the Elira's and Riku's video are not planned by the same management team with similar goals.

- It explains how they were able to bully Selen in the first place. To bully someone you need power over them.

- It also explains the some of the oddities around the original termination statement. In particular, the bizarre wording of the following statement:
>\>Selen claimed that she was being harassed by other affiliated Livers due to mismanagement
Which was the first insance of anyone mentioning bullying by Livers. Previously, it had seemed that Selen's issues were primarily with management. The statement at face value also makes little sense, as how can the Livers bully her due to mismanagement? If the Livers and the management are effectively one and the same, this all makes more sense. It also explains why they would even bring up the other Livers. It explains the clearly vindictive and unprofessional nature of the termination letter in general, as again, it feels almost personal.

- It explains the rationale behind Millie's infamous tweet. Other rrats require Millie to be the dumbest person alive, or a sociopathic cartoonish bully, publicly taunting Selen for no reason whatsoever. Through the lens of the GURRAT though, it makes a lot more sense: she is responding out of frustration for Selen ignoring management and trying to defend management, because management is her and her friends. Millie may even be the liaison replying to Selen in those screenshots released by Elira, which would make even more sense, see Curiosities section below.

One of the biggest strengths of the rrat is that it doesn't require projecting to ascribe motivations to anyone, any jaw-dropping stupidity, or any 4d chess. Elira could be a stone cold bitch queen, but she could also be simply incompetent and casually nepotistic, or even a genuinely hard working leader who thinks she's doing the right thing for her branch, and it doesn't change the rrat. Selen could be a total menhera or completely innocent, and the rrat works all the same. We don't need to know the reason Elira dislikes Selen, it could be because she's hard to work with or pure jealously, the rrat still works.

## Further Evidence

- **Elira over-represented in official promotions (Non-group Lazulight merchandise releases) compared to the more popular Pomu.**

1 Elira. Sakura Bloom 2022 - https://www.anycolor.co.jp/en/news/w3y9w8j2l
1 Pomu. Halloween 2022 - https://www.anycolor.co.jp/en/news/ivydqno7p
2 Elira. Winter's Date 2022 - https://www.anycolor.co.jp/en/news/lbqu2df90zn
2 Pomu, 1 Finana. Valentine's Day 2023 - https://www.anycolor.co.jp/en/news/zsyyqw86pc
3 Elira. White Day 2023 - https://www.anycolor.co.jp/en/news/59en44856w6
4 Elira. Sakura Bloom 2023 - https://www.anycolor.co.jp/en/news/foi0_xiphed
5 Elira. Aristocrats & Servants - https://www.anycolor.co.jp/en/news/ip84svo3m
6 Elira. 2024 Calendar - https://www.anycolor.co.jp/en/news/v0kdifd_4kb
7 Elira. Original Scale Figure - https://twitter.com/NIJISANJI_World/status/1737670170552975804
8 Elira. NijiMascots - https://www.anycolor.co.jp/en/news/o8gzrsq8uqa
9 Elira, 2 Finana. Hotel - https://www.anycolor.co.jp/en/news/jujoehgwa

Total Count: Elira x 9, Pomu x 2, Finana x 2


- **???**

## How does this fit with other rrats?

- **The Luca skinwalking shitshow and Scarle-Aster drama:**
This explains partially the Scarle-Aster screenshots being in possession of Luca and then Raziel and Raziel knowing about Aster harassing other Livers. If this effective self-governing system was in place, it explains why Scarle would go to Luca with her problems instead of an actual manager, because by this point, issues are now being handled internally by other talents. Luca then screenshots it to send to Raziel and ask for advice, and she leaks it with the rest of her Luca manifesto.

- **The Zaion execution**
We know that at the time of the Zaion termination, the self-management system was in place, and her termination shares many similarities with the Selen debacle. In Sayu's One Girl's Story document, she notes that one of the things she was in trouble for was going above management's head to talk to a higher manager directly, which initially makes zero sense. But when you consider the GURRAT, it starts to make sense. Sayu is Japanese, and is a fluent Japanese speaker. She would be able to jump over the shadow bureaucracy and talk directly with the JP managers. This obviously ruffled feathers. Another interesting detail is that apparently Iluna's branch manager was a 2 week old hire, who was effectively puppeted by someone higher up. She says:
>\>Anytime I had a call with our manager to discuss something, THEIR manager was also there. And it was pretty much just me asking him stuff while *she* sat there and nodded her head.
A bizarre situation indeed.

(Expand more on Zaion)

- **Yugo**
(idk write something)

- **???**

## Curiosities

Here are some other interesting coincidences and rrats anons have discovered. These are mostly unproven and of a more speculative nature than the main rrat, but nonetheless add some interesting context. Important to note, however, that you do not need to believe *all* or *any* of the below rrats for the main rrat to work, it stands on its own. These are merely additional bits of information to consider.

- **Millie was the manager in the screenshots leaked by Vox**
An anon believes that the person checking Selen's Last Cup of Coffee video was in fact a talent liaison, rather than a manager, and specifically that it may be Millie.
(Link the rrat post for this as well as the schizo forensics please, and expand on the explanation.)

- **The Selen discord leaks**
(Link and expand, explain the origin of them and their eventual vindication as likely real)

- **The Canadian Manager job posting**
(Please link)
The above job listing was posted by Nijisanji and noticed during the initial Selen termination controversy. Viewed through the lens of the GURRAT, it has some interesting implications. Elira, as we know, just moved to Japan, and connecting these facts gives us a few options.
>\>the job posting is being backfilled, as Elira is being officially promoted to a higher position
>\>Elira has been sacked/told to stay in her lane by management following the Selen debacle and is being replaced by an official manager
>\>JP has taken notice of the mess that's happening in EN and is cleaning house and cracking down
>\>the job posting is intended as a golden parachute for a talent-manager to step back from streaming and become and official staff member

- **LK**
(Expand)

- **Anonymous vent posts, presumed to be Millie**
(Link and explanation please. Important note that the vent post includes information that wasn't made public until Elira's black screen stream)
A post suspected to be Millie due to the unique usage of 'manesan', as well as having been posted in the time between the internal Slack message asking about the song's early release and Selen's tweet about the song cover (source: [NijiEn General Post](https://warosu.org/vt/thread/S65298640#p65299460)) (source: [Time Difference](https://i.imgur.com/MznEqvH.png))

(^^^^not this one, the one on that other sisters forum where the person said "even though management told her it might be able to go back up" before that was publically known - rentry anon)

- **???**

## TImeline

>\>Dec 26: Selen posts the MV, is suspended on the spot. (source: black screen stream, Vox's screenshots)

>\>Dec ??? (possibly 26 or 27): Selen makes an attempt on her life (source: [doki tweet](https://twitter.com/dokibird/status/1754459958119432664))

>\>Dec 27: Elira makes the "health issues in my family" tweet (source: someone link the elira tweet pls)

>\>Dec 28-Feb 4: Selen and her lawyer go back and forth with NijiJP management trying to find a way to part amicably but it goes nowhere

>\>Feb 5: Selen's lawyer sends to Niji's lawyers her document detailing everything that was happening to her in the company, including bullying and preferential treatment. 2 hours later the termination notice goes up. From this point on, all communication between Nijisanji and Selen, now Doki, ceases (source: [doki tweet](https://twitter.com/dokibird/status/1757763627413631383))

>\>Feb 6-Feb 11: Absolute fucking chaos, but by the end, Doki just wants to move on and be done with the whole situation so she can focus on streaming.

>\>Feb ??(possibly Feb 5): Elira is notified of the contents of the document. Whatever is inside this document SCARES her. Specifically, she is worried about her, Millie, and Enna, being doxxed, and their 'safety' being threatened. Elira later gets Vox and Ike together to record their statement for the stream. (source: black screen stream)

>\>Feb 12: Elira drops the stream, attempting to throw Doki under the bus. Hours later, Riku prostrates himself before the masses and vows to sort out whatever the fuck is happening in NijiEN.

(if you add an event, include the source if possible)

## Supplemental Info

https://i.imgur.com/pP454G4.jpeg (Millie's GroupChat stream and aftermath)
https://i.imgur.com/6dpHLOO.png (Potential payment discrepancies)
https://i.imgur.com/3JWt4Gj.jpeg (Compilation of Elira/ Millie's suspicious behavior)
https://i.imgur.com/iqSqesl.jpeg (Elira as a 'shadow-manager/ liaison')
https://i.imgur.com/Sief0Sk.png (Potential insider detailing Elira's specific duties)
https://i.imgur.com/IGkpVEg.png (Insider verification of Elira's nepotism)
https://i.imgur.com/YBYWelb.png (Zaion mismanagement)
https://i.imgur.com/lPczCob.png (Implying that the clique is indeed like a high school circus)
https://i.imgur.com/MznEqvH.png (The uncensored top of supposed manesan's username is visible due to bad cropping)
https://i.imgur.com/jR31ib5.jpeg (Multiple summaries posted in bulk, showing the rrat's progression over time)
https://i.imgur.com/eCQMHYK.png (Occam's Razor applied to mismanagement)
https://imgur.com/dMisO2o.png (Potential instances of timeline for management clique targeting Selen)
https://imgur.com/gWB03XV.png (Potential insider affirmation of clique behavior)

(please annotate if you add)

## Archive of GUR relevant threads:

https://boards.4chan.org/vt/thread/69150476 (current thread)

(Advised to paste Warosu links here - regular 4chan threads delete themselves after some time when they're archived)
 
It has always been company's policy to completely remove any imagery of graduated talents from any merch and promotion materials.

Very odd then that Maria Marionette got permission to premiere this cover which has the graduated talent Pomu in it. And not only were they just shown in a passing image, it would appear that they're actively participating in the song.

Makes you wonder if there's an extended process for securing these "permissions" or if there's something more behind it. They scrubbed Zaion's details from her cover with Maria, but the termination happened after its release. But this one is a yet-to-premiere song.


 
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