Women actually do like men - Strange, but true

[GenericEdgelordSupreme]

The question to men is are these also the women you want to date?

If you're an unemployable man who doesn't want to be a forever alone meme, yes. They come with baggage, but they'll settle for a man who can't provide much or has something wrong with him that makes him unattractive to other women. I think that's part of why incels exist: they expect some perfect woman to come along who loves them despite their flaws, but they're unwilling to accept a woman's flaws. More people would be getting laid if they adjusted their standards.

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

I was going to bold the last 3 words, but the websites being a shithead with my phone right now.

So how exactly can I want TND and not be bitter I have to share oxygen with these nonhumans? Those two things kind of go hand in hand.

Stop defining yourself and your life by things you hate. It'll make you less bitter and more enjoyable to be around.

 

[DumbDude43]

they expect some perfect woman to come along who loves them despite their flaws, but they're unwilling to accept a woman's flaws. More people would be getting laid if they adjusted their standards.

problem here is that these flaws tend to be opposed to each other and not compatible

i'm like 95% sure that your average incel would gladly accept his female counterpart who has the same flaws as him (awkward, virgin, introvert, self hating)
the reasons why this is not a thing that actually happens are
a) that hypothetical femcel person would snub her nose and reject her male equivalent because she feels that he's beneath her
b) that person does not exist in the first place, real low tier women tend to come with a very different set of flaws that are pretty much the polar opposite: oversocialized, high body count, self obsessed, fat. there is no compatibility here.

 

[Lidl Drip]

i'm like 95% sure that your average incel would gladly accept his female counterpart who has the same flaws as him

lmfao, delusional

 

[Bungdit Din]

I've run into this a lot myself, so I can recognize part of the problem: everyone (or, almost everyone) is so busy telling incels (in this instance) what they, the incels, think and/or believe, instead of just asking them. Because you don't want to hear it.

Same pattern, over and over again, isn't it.

"Tell us how you really feel... No! Not like that!"

So. Fucking. Tiresome.

 

[God of Nothing]

the funniest thing about this is still how we know there's a problem and no one is going to do shit about it
this thread amounts to that
it's an empty platitude
"just ignore it and it'll go away" basically "nothing is wrong"

 

[Party Hat Wurmple]

Nah. This is where we disagree. I don't think men and women can be - or will be - 'friends' without some attraction. Both men and (though much, much more rarely) women get friendzoned, but that doesn't make them friends.

The only time I see women and men be friends is when it's with someone else's wife and/or gf and there's some kind of group dynamic. Even then it's questionable though.

Kind of on topic, men don't actually like women that much, either. We wouldn't hang out with them if it weren't for boobs.

I too, am big booba lover.

lmfao, delusional

It's not delusional. Most would. The problem is nobody can look at themselves in the mirror that long. Eventually one will break and leave the other.

 

[SpergioLeonne]

The only time I see women and men be friends is when it's with someone else's wife and/or gf and there's some kind of group dynamic. Even then it's questionable though.v

I was friends with girls when I was in school and into my 20’s. I’m now convinced it’s a mate selection phase.

The older you get, the harder it is to overlook the whole “wait should we hook up?” thing. Like, for it to be completely platonic you would have to both feel “ugh, no” about it, right? But that’s depressing. Why would you hang out with someone who felt like you weren’t attractive?

 

[GenericEdgelordSupreme]

problem here is that these flaws tend to be opposed to each other and not compatible

i'm like 95% sure that your average incel would gladly accept his female counterpart who has the same flaws as him (awkward, virgin, introvert, self hating)

You made some solid points, but I'm not talking about matchmaking incels with femcels; I'm talking about incels with women who have one or more of the flaws you mentioned might lead to compatibility issues. Those aren't insurmountable when you include redeeming qualities. For instance, a working mom might tolerate a loser who would otherwise be an incel because he's good with her kids, and a man might tolerate a woman's body count or children from past relationships, etc. because she's sexually forward with him and he's an awkward introvert. Those might not be ideal relationships, but if the alternative is being perpetually single, most people would choose the relationship that's less than ideal. Or, if they wouldn't, then it's their own fault they're alone because their standards are too high.

Femcel edit: I haven't met as many femcels as incels, but it's way easier to get laid as a woman so I imagine they must be pretty undesirable. Also, a lot of the time they hate men. Incels need to choose not to hate women and femcels need to choose not to hate men, but if they can manage that, they can cease to be incels/femcels.

 

[The Grognard]

IDK about you guys, but as a man it's fairly easy to make friends with women. If there is one thing incels in particular get wrong, it's that somehow being friends with a woman is a negative thing when like half the women that have befriended me have liked referring their lonely ladyfriends to their lonely manfriends.

 

[Bungdit Din]

the funniest thing about this is still how we know there's a problem and no one is going to do shit about it
this thread amounts to that
it's an empty platitude
"just ignore it and it'll go away" basically "nothing is wrong"

"You've never had it so good!"

It's kind of analogous to an industrial dispute. Looked at in that context, the wahmens are the management, in their air-conditioned offices, and teh menz are the labour, on the shop floor, doing the dirty, dangerous - and essential - jobs, that keep the factory ticking over. Now, working conditions have been declining for some time, while the bosses award themselves raises, and yet demand even higher productivity and longer hours, whilst imposing a pay cut on the machinists and maintenance crews. The union reps, reluctant to call for a costly all-out strike, have been beseeching the bosses to come to the negotiating table, but management is refusing to make the slightest concession, and dismisses all legitimate grievances as whining and malding. After all, they got hefty bonuses this year, so, as far as they're concerned, the system is working perfectly, and, since they never bother to inspect the factory floor in person, it never occurs to them that serious trouble could be brewing, right under their noses. Meanwhile, some guys figure they'll just retire early, some guys are already on a strict work-to-rule, doing the bare minimum, others are quietly quitting and investigating alternative jobs - particularly overseas - some are deliberately throwing spanners in the works - because fuck it - and a few are thinking of burning the whole shithouse down and throwing a rope party for their asshole employers. It's fuckin' class warfare, maaaan, and the femoids, if only they knew it, are the privileged, and blinkered, bourgeoisie.

Personally, I was thinking about [re]applying for a position myself, but I think I'll wait for a bit - not sure that the factory will still be standing there tomorrow. Not like I don't have a fair resume, and I have worked a fair few shit jobs before, just to get myself through - but I'm waiting for a gig appropriate to my... skill and experience. Don't need nothing fancy, just somewhere where my efforts will actually be appreciated, instead of taken for granted. That's all.
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The only time I see women and men be friends is when it's with someone else's wife and/or gf and there's some kind of group dynamic. Even then it's questionable though.

Yeah - with the someone-else's-partner thing, it's usually a matter of bros before hoes. Cheating/infedelity seems so commonplace, that any couple where one, the other, or both, isn't fucking around is the exception, not the rule.

I too, am big booba lover.

Same, lol. Motion carried: big tiddy goth gf's for everyone! HUZZAH!!!

It's not delusional. Most would. The problem is nobody can look at themselves in the mirror that long. Eventually one will break and leave the other.

Probably true, too.

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IDK about you guys, but as a man it's fairly easy to make friends with women. If there is one thing incels in particular get wrong, it's that somehow being friends with a woman is a negative thing when like half the women that have befriended me have liked referring their lonely ladyfriends to their lonely manfriends.

IDK, either, but that is... not common.

 

[The Grognard]

IDK, either, but that is... not common.

Seriously, try it. They want to see you and her friend to be the ones to have a tasteful marriage ceremony and themselves to hold a baby that resulted in that marriage, knowing that they made this thing happen.

 

[Bungdit Din]

Seriously, try it. They want to see you and her friend to be the ones to have a tasteful marriage ceremony and themselves to hold a baby that resulted in that marriage, knowing that they made this thing happen.

Is this some weird boomer or zoomer thing? Because I have tried it, that is, being just friends with women, and none of them have ever made the slightest attempt to set me up. That, you see, would mean handing over an orbiter to some other bitch, along with his resources, which might only be attention, validation, and use as an emotional tampon, but those things - along with his balls - belong to her. I don't bother hanging out with female 'friends' anymore, because they're shit at being friends. Unless they actually do want to fuck you, then it just gets awkward when you, the man, find out.

 

[The Grognard]

Is this some weird boomer or zoomer thing? Because I have tried it, that is, being just friends with women, and none of them have ever made the slightest attempt to set me up. That, you see, would mean handing over an orbiter to some other bitch, along with his resources, which might only be attention, validation, and use as an emotional tampon, but those things - along with his balls - belong to her. I don't bother hanging out with female 'friends' anymore, because they're shit at being friends. Unless they actually do want to fuck you, then it just gets awkward when you, the man, find out.

Did you let them know you're in the market for a gal?

 

[redcent]

Supposed to be. Yes. But how often do we see that actualized? And yes, I am only presenting a VERY narrow view - only part of the story - there is, or should be, more to us than that. But we are that, at base, at first. That, I'm saying, is where we're starting from - and to get anywhere, we need to know, first, where we are.

It happens more often than you think

Nah. This is where we disagree. I don't think men and women can be - or will be - 'friends' without some attraction.

What, you think all the professionals and people studying of volunteering and so on don't get along, when they're generally all eg. married to another individual?

Attraction, even to the opposite gender, is rare. We're monogamous, so 99.999% of the time, all the people you run into - no attraction. But you can like them.

Both men and (though much, much more rarely) women get friendzoned, but that doesn't make them friends. It just means that one party or the other (sometimes both, if we're writing the setup to a will they/won't they romcom, or something) isn't getting everything that they really want out of the... association.

Speak for yourself

What you want isn't to be liked, or tolerated, or be friends.

All you want is to be "successful" not as a person but in some cold ass biological way. And by all means, you could simply do so by donating your sperm to a clinic, but you don't. No, you have to rope someone in with that, and that comes with a cost: you're asking for someone to live with you. For the rest of their lives FFS. It's a big big ask and it requires more than someone being likeable. It requires love.

Its like that saying "I like x place but I wouldn't want to live there." well there are men I like, heck even a few I can muster up some attraction to (on a very shallow level mind you), but I wouldn't want to live with them.

I don't love the men around me, at least not in that way. I don't have the capability. Most adults don't, why you expect that level of attraction to happen willy nilly is bizarre.

These 'friendships' usually cease once one of them finds what they're looking for elsewhere, or, at least, gives up trying to get it from the wrong source. Or, they stop pretending, and that usually leads to the (often explosive) disintegration of the 'friendship'. Or, they fuck, and 'discover' something great. Can, and does, happen - so I'm not completely cynical.

And, who gives a fuck about being liked? That's a female priority. There's bound to be a clash when our perspectives are so radically different. It's not so much the guys of A&H themselves that are so insufferable, it's more a case that they break consensus, and that is abhorrent to the femoid (hive)mind.

Why do you care so much about reproducing?

If it matters so much to you like i said, donate sperm and go away.

Do you really want to raise a kid? Do you know what that involves?

Why do you think you're so special you in particular should have kids? Afaik you can't go to the sperm bank because you have had 20 cancers and it would be only for the best you never reproduce at all, because why would you bring a kid up just to go through that? To suit your own ego, just so you can proudly proclaim you're a "success?"

Afaik living with you is a detriment and you have a violent temper and similarly you don't want to bring a kid up with you just to suit your ego.

No, and yes. Been over this, lo

And you missed my point, 99.999% of the time attraction does not exist.

literally the entire world except india and africa is staring down the barrel of catastrophic population decline
america europe china japan korea russia, even some muslim countries (within turkey, ethnic turks themselves have sub replacement fertility rates)
calling this "getting along just fine" is the equivalent of this dumb old mem

Most of the western world is in a housing crisis. If it is under threat from declining birth rates I don't see it, and at a population of 8+ billion it's a long way to go before it's a concern.

Maybe, before you worry about having kids, to the common sense thing and try and focus on the problem at hand: housing.

Cancer arises from cells replicating while some of their instructions are damaged. Why don’t you use viruses for your example? Cancer isn’t subject to evolution. It’s not a distinct life form.

I was thinking of this

 

[Bungdit Din]

Did you let them know you're in the market for a gal?

LOL, that's generally all I'd talk about. I'm pretty transparent to wahmens - used to be, anyway - and that was probably a big part of the problem.

 

[ITK]

I've run into this a lot myself, so I can recognize part of the problem: everyone (or, almost everyone) is so busy telling incels (in this instance) what they, the incels, think and/or believe, instead of just asking them. Because you don't want to hear it.

Same pattern, over and over again, isn't it.

"Tell us how you really feel... No! Not like that!"

So. Fucking. Tiresome.

That's because if you do they'll start spouting some of the most retarded shit you've ever heard in your life. Plus most tend to be brown.

 

[God of Nothing]

That's because if you do they'll start spouting some of the most retarded shit you've ever heard in your life. Plus most tend to be brown.

it is astonishing how many times this conversation steers off course to the point you wonder what the actual fuck are you even talking about anymore
it just seems like you're bringing up anything and everything to appear right rather than just accept that you might be wrong and things are fucked

but i'm talking about this discussion entirely because i misread what you were responding to

 

[The Grognard]

LOL, that's generally all I'd talk about. I'm pretty transparent to wahmens - used to be, anyway - and that was probably a big part of the problem.

Get better ladyfriends then.

 

[Bungdit Din]

@redcent

The fuck? Now you're putting words in my mouth. We're talking past each other. If you like, I could try going through your post and parsing it, point by point, but I don't think it would be worth the effort. I'll... reflect on what you said, because you're possibly picking up, via subtext or something, something... actionable... but I'll just quote myself from upthread, and maybe leave it at that:

I've run into this a lot myself, so I can recognize part of the problem: everyone (or, almost everyone) is so busy telling incels (in this instance) what they, the incels, think and/or believe, instead of just asking them. Because you don't want to hear it.

Same pattern, over and over again, isn't it.

"Tell us how you really feel... No! Not like that!"

So. Fucking. Tiresome.

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That's because if you do they'll start spouting some of the most retarded shit you've ever heard in your life. Plus most tend to be brown.

So let them. At least listen. You can, sometimes, then attempt to correct them on a few things - but not if you don't respond to what they're actually saying. See: above.

Good point about the 'jeet factor, though.

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Get better ladyfriends then.

They're all the same. I'm prepared to be surprised, but even with less-than-zero expectations, I always end up disappointed. Again, it's all transactional to them. I don't even mind - I don't mind a bit of give-and-take - that kind of is friendship. But, with women, it's only ever take. Reciprocity is extremely rare, if not non-existent, and is generally only present if there's some ulterior motive. Of course, the common denominator in all this is me, but that is my experience.