Do Men Even Like Women?

[Lemmingwiser]

Cause fuck it, even @Lemmingwiser ((KYS)) apparently met the minimum standard and participates/participated in that thread

I'm sure you remember the time I educated you on feminism in the feminism thread as well, because you didn't know views on colonialism and race were part of feminist thought.

As to take the question neutrally, divorced from the OP, I do think men generally like women. The human species is a very pro women species. To such a degree that when cultures clash one of the hottest debate topics is who treats their women better. We generally have such a favorable view of women as a species that the amount of pushbacks feminists get is tiny compared to the amount of ruckus and upheavel they create. That me saying these things is not what one would do in polite company, because the slightest of hint of criticism of women as a group is a faux pas.

It's why one has these conversations only as rare locker room talk, or in the dark recesses of the internet (kiwifarms), where a tiny counterculture exists of not liking women.

So my answer is three tiered:
Men in general? Yes.
Men in kiwifarms? No.
Me? Yes.

 

[AgendaPoster]

I don't think that applies when we're talking about intentional griefing and weenery.

That's an insane position to take Marge.
The Man Hate thread was literally started as a griefing thread. Did you read the OP?
All actions cause reaction.
Openly basking in your hatred of entire groups of people should warrant a very harsh reaction indeed.

 

[Lidl Drip]

I'm really not sure why I've managed to draw their ire so badly. Most of the women in that thread are perfectly nice and reasonable, but there's a handful of them who are just some of the most nasty people this site has to offer.

It's the exact same shit that happened before, I make a reasonable post and immediately Dyn shows up to be a retard. Unlike the MHT though I don't need to be the better person because this is Mass Debates

All the women in the man hate thread were perfectly nice to you and didn't even give you mean stickers when you came in to whine about how your father doesn't love you. I don't think your issue is with the posters from the man hate thread, it's that you're a pedophile furry faggot gimmick poster who talks about wanting to kiss little boys all day.

 

[Shidoen]

That's an insane position to take Marge.
The Man Hate thread was literally started as a griefing thread. Did you read the OP?
All actions cause reaction.
Openly basking in your hatred of entire groups of people should warrant a very harsh reaction indeed.

I can’t even openly join a Ku Klux Klan chapter these days, smh.

 

[Lemmingwiser]

Nobody deserves a safe space online.

Why not? I think it's wholly acceptable for groups to want a curated type of member, a curated type of decorum, or a curated mission statement what debate is about. If people want to group up online and talk about all the shit that men do from a generally female perspective, what exactly is the problem with that?

The kind of free for all no holds barred, no guard rails, is a much more masculine approach and it makes sense that women generally prefer a different way to engage. What's the issue with that?

The fact that so many seem to want to deny women this kind of place is all the more evidence why there is value to it and evidence of Null's supreme wisdom in granting it.

 

[derpherp2]

Is there a PM chain somewhere I've never seen where everyone powerlevels to each other like gay social media? I have to specify gay social media because forming social bonds with users on this site beyond calling them good posters is just that; gay.

You don't know about the PM chain where these fuckers try to fuck each other?

Also saw a fart RP one. So uh.

Why not? I think it's wholly acceptable for groups to want a curated type of member, a curated type of decorum, or a curated mission statement what debate is about. If people want to group up online and talk about all the shit that men do from a generally female perspective, what exactly is the problem with that?

The kind of free for all no holds barred, no guard rails, is a much more masculine approach and it makes sense that women generally prefer a different way to engage. What's the issue with that?

The fact that so many seem to want to deny women this kind of place is all the more evidence why there is value to it and evidence of Null's supreme wisdom in granting it.

I like it because I get to see how fats act like RP'ing as people from the popular kids table.

 

[Blobby's Murder Knife]

Men in general? Yes.
Men in kiwifarms? No.
Me? Yes.

Not even sure the middle is true for a lot of men here. There is just a vocal minority that wants to shit on women like a vocal minority want to do the opposite.

It will never not be funny to me that when I get attacked by other women here, it is for the exact same points incels make. I was told again that because I was a dead egg carton, men won't want me by another woman. Uh...yeah that's not true...at all. Not all men want children or may have missed the boat or can't have them physically or may already have some. Like I said before, not all men want or need a breedable mare, particularly when I refuse to go plus/minus 3 years from my own age.

 

[Catler]

when you came in to whine about how your father doesn't love you

The discussion at that particular time was about fathers doing a shitty job at being fathers and women having to pick up their slack. I was completely on topic and provided personal experience, something people in that thread do all the time.

it's that you're a pedophile furry faggot gimmick poster who talks about wanting to kiss little boys all day.

A pedophile? Lidl you can do better than A&N when it comes to making random accusations and I refuse to believe you're so autistic you can't see that the one thread was a massive shitpost to rile people up.

 

[cybertoaster]

I'm gonna be blunt: if dworkin was a man he would be the inceliest incel of all, a complete nutcase that nobody outside the worst incel forums could take seriously. Even the worst incels have more self-criticism than dworkin who always believed she was the victim of everything. She never even considered how much of her "ideology" came from being a truly ugly obese woman who men found disgusting and even most lesbians didn't fancy and how much of that might have driven her politics..........because then it wouldn't be men's fault would it?. Even incels aren't this oblivious, they at least blame their shitty looks.

Anyway, the only reason why mental midgets like her and solanas didn't end in a mental institution (specially the latter who was a legit schizo) its because they managed to land at the right place and the right moment, they were able to exploit the zeitgeist from that era because their opinions were no longer considered too controversial to be talked about

As for the quote, its victimizational bullshit. Ask any social worker and they'll tell you women are very capable of violence and will even resort to it even more often because they know that if the men responds they are in deep shit so they are basically attacking a target that's unable to defend itself.

 

[AgendaPoster]

Why not? I think it's wholly acceptable for groups to want a curated type of member, a curated type of decorum, or a curated mission statement what debate is about. If people want to group up online and talk about all the shit that men do from a generally female perspective, what exactly is the problem with that?

The kind of free for all no holds barred, no guard rails, is a much more masculine approach and it makes sense that women generally prefer a different way to engage. What's the issue with that?

The fact that so many seem to want to deny women this kind of place is all the more evidence why there is value to it and evidence of Null's supreme wisdom in granting it.

The curation should be about general forum rules and netiquette.
I'm OK with moderating personal attacks, flaming and the sort away in some MD thread, but debate and light mockery and humor should not be against the rules of any thread.
Also, allowing people to fester in these ideological bubbles is just bad forum policy.
Bad ideas cannot survive if you allow them to be challenged. Protecting obviously retard-level ideas, like "I hate an entire human sex" is bad practice.

 

[SpergioLeonne]

I like pretty women

 

[Lemmingwiser]

Not even sure the middle is true for a lot of men here

I'm guessing it's true for a majority. Obviously not all. My view is tainted by mostly engaging in deep thought, news and internet figures like metokur and rekieta. And in those areas it seems true.

It's why when my position reversed and I started liking women generally, these places became a little more annoying and I experienced more cognitive dissonance.

It will never not be funny to me that when I get attacked by other women here, it is for the exact same points incels make. I was told again that because I was a dead egg carton, men won't want me by another woman. Uh...yeah that's not true...at all. Not all men want children or may have missed the boat or can't have them physically. Like I said before, not all men want or need a breedable mare, particularly when I refuse to go plus/minus 3 years from my own age.

Men and women use the same insults against women, for the same reason that men and women use the same insults against men: insults are meant to hurt, so people aim where they think they are vulnerable.

 

[WE'RE ALL GONNA]

Obesity is a medical condition, and I'm dismayed by your fatphobia. Fat people like me are aware they are fat without skinny guys like you carping about it. If you think that Andrea Dworkin's opinions are wrong because her BMI is high, then wouldn't Stephen Hawking's work be useless as he was crippled by a degenerative disease? What I'm saying is, whether you think Andrea Dworkin's commentary is applicable or not to the modern day, I don't think her BMI should be a reason to disregard her opinion and writings per se. (sigh I hope this guy knows what I mean.)

Obesity is a lifestyle choice.

You fat, no one likes you lol

 

[Stan]

That's an insane position to take Marge.
The Man Hate thread was literally started as a griefing thread. Did you read the OP?
All actions cause reaction.

"you feminists voted for this"

Openly basking in your hatred of entire groups of people should warrant a very harsh reaction indeed.

IDK that the anti-feminist reaction against the second wave has actually helped the antifeminist's cause. Call it the Sarkeesian Effect...

 

[eatler]

I like pretty women

Do you not like the ugly ones? I’ve met some nice ugly women.

 

[Lidl Drip]

A pedophile? Lidl you can do better than A&N when it comes to making random accusations and I refuse to believe you're so autistic you can't see that the one thread was a massive shitpost to rile people up.

"I was only pretending to be a pedophile!!" tell it to the wall.

 

[Lemmingwiser]

Bad ideas cannot survive if you allow them to be challenged.

Of course they can. The world is filled with bad ideas that continue to proliferate even when challenged.

Ideological bubbles are fine because most people aren't looking to challenge their own ideas, I know I'm not most of the time.

It is a difficult, intensive and expensive endeavor to challenge the ideas you hold. People should have some degree of choice when and if they want to take such a journey.

 

[Catler]

Do you not like the ugly ones? I’ve met some nice ugly women.

Some of the most pleasant women I've ever met have been ugly women, but some of the meanest, most bitter ones too.

"I was only pretending to be a pedophile!!" tell it to the wall.

I mean you could just ban me, you have that power.

 

[Blobby's Murder Knife]

As for the quote, its victimizational bullshit. Ask any social worker and they'll tell you women are very capable of violence and will even resort to it even more often because they know that if the men responds they are in deep shit so they are basically attacking a target that's unable to defend itself.

I mean, I never understood this theory by whatever wave feminists. Either we figure out how to do it ourselves or have men do it for us. Men are direct, women are underhanded. But both are deadly.

 

[AgendaPoster]

"you feminists voted for this"
IDK that the anti-feminist reaction against the second wave has actually helped the antifeminist's cause. Call it the Sarkeesian Effect...

Well, you did.
Feminists and women in general would be basically retarded to vote for the right or anything with a patriarchal flavor.
This is how history exists, it's an eternal cycle of action-reaction and group struggles for power and influence.
You are always caught within one of these action-reaction cycles, and every time the pendulum swings it never swings towards the center, but to the extremes.