Furry Fandom and Drama General

[Total Annihilation]

I'm mixed.
On one hand furries tend to attract those that a quite a bit farked in the head (too many furry degenerates in TF2), but on the other hand the fella seemed to be a decent one?
Rest in peace good sir, but I do hope The Lord bans yiffing in heaven.

 

[Anonymus Fluhre]

So the guy had three micro strokes in December and was found to have Stage IV liver cancer so he was a dead man. How much of the money from the gofundme are these degenerates going to pocket after they pay off the hospital care costs?

 

[Law]

the spirit guardian of the Plains Indians.

The Plains Indians have suffered enough leave them out of this!

 

[JethroTullamore]

pay off the hospital care costs?

That’s optimistic as hell, they’ll pocket the cash and throw a degenerate sex party in his name, maybe with a new fursuit or two.

 

[F00LS_3RRAND]

The Plains Indians have suffered enough leave them out of this!

This is so sad, can we walk the trail of tears?

 

[Oilspill Battery]

He grew up in an era where bad shit really did happen sometimes to gay men,

The instant bad shit stopped happening to gay men we got drag queens reading anal sex instructions to kindergardeners, so maybe there was a point to it.

 

[Law]

lol at the notion of this guy being mourned by a grieving widow,

I did assume the person pictured next to him in his hospital bed was his spouse or partner.

 

[Ghostse]

I did assume the person pictured next to him in his hospital bed was his spouse or partner.

The term you're looking for is "AIDS donor"

 

[Strangolapreti]

Yiff in hell, furfag.
Or
I hope you reincarnate into a fox and get rabies.

 

[Breadbassket]

ConFurence (the convention Merlino co-founded) had a number of controversies apparently. It changed ownership after CF10 which took place in 1999:

As the furry fandom rapidly increased in fans, and with the rise of furry-specific MU*s, convention attendance rose sharply over the following years. For many, ConFurence would mark their first experience at convention-going.

By ConFurence 8, the general attitude toward ConFurence was that it was a "wild party" and that things getting out of control at times. Rumors flew around, depending on who said them and who believed them, of strange and funky occurrences amongst guests[citation needed]. This ranged from two reports of semen found in elevators[2][3], guests running about in revealing clothing (one report involved an attendee wearing a Dixie cups in a lewd manner, though Gary Burke attempted to debunk the report that it was actually a Dixie cup [4]), wild room parties where increasingly unthinkable acts were occurring[citation needed], and an increasingly offbeat programming track[citation needed], including a live "slave" auction, later renamed the pet auction: a re-creation of a pastime on several MUCKs such as FurryMUCK and Tapestries.[citation needed]

Other accusations include the owners' alleged attempts at increasing con attendance by offering "Free memberships to FurryMUCK members". [citation needed] Mark's own words on the subject put a bit of perspective on the issue: "That would be totally stupid! It wouldn't be a practical business move. And yes, ConFurence was a business. I would lose money. Plus, how on earth would I know if it's really them? It's absurd!" [citation needed]

The FurryMUCK rumor was likely started due to a misunderstanding the special badges for online personas that were given out at Confurence 3. As noted in the ConFurence Progress Report #3 in the January 1992 issue of In-Fur-Nation: "FurryMUCK participants (And other virtual/network personalities): Be sure to pick up your 'Hi, I'm Virtually _____' badges at Registration -- If you're daring :>" [5]

For anyone wondering what a Skiltaire is it's a science fiction race made by Merlino:

The Skiltaire (or Skiltare) are a species of intelligent weasel-like aliens. They were created by Mark Merlino (Sylys Sable) in 1971[1] as a non-human sentient species for a series of science fiction stories. Skiltaire have been depicted by numerous artists, and were selected as mascots of the Cartoon/Fantasy Organization and Mark's home, The Prancing Skiltaire.

 

[Fried-Rice12]

Eh, he can burn in hell with the rest of those degenerates.
Good riddance.

 

[PhoBingas]

You’re telling me that this guy
was a perverted sex pest?
No way.

Nigger looks like Charlie's uncle that diddled him in Always Sunny!

He was a founder of ConFurence, the first furry convention which started in 1989 and had this wonderful performance:

Merlino had a big hand in chasing out the only group that wanted to keep the degenerates out of the "fandom" in it's infancy. He's the face that launched every Kero, Snakething and Wolf even if that wasn't what he set out to do. He turned a blind eye or swept so much greasy shit under the rug.

 

[Law]

The instant bad shit stopped happening to gay men we got drag queens reading anal sex instructions to kindergardeners, so maybe there was a point to it.

Not to get all but Afghanistan criminalizes same-sex sexual activity with the death penalty. Yet their national pastimes include Bacha Bhazi, child brides, and polygyny.

guests running about in revealing clothing (one report involved an attendee wearing a Dixie cups in a lewd manner, though Gary Burke attempted to debunk the report that it was actually a Dixie cup

Ok this made me laugh.
"Mx. Makima Sweatypaws did NOT run through the Hyatt wearing only a Dixie cup, your Honor! Xir used a Solo cup, it's completely different!"
I wonder if the RainFurrest aftermath got derailed by discussing which brand of diaper it really was.

 

[Catler]

Nah, you're still responsible for the dumb shit that happens because of people you enable

So is Null morally responsible for the bad things some users of KF have done using this site? There are valid arguments for both sides of this, I'm just interested if you're consistent.

 

[Tennis-Ball-Tony]

Furries have always been awful annoying degenerates and if you missed the internet takeover they did in the 90s you are fucking lucky. They are the precursor to trannies and Tumblr and every other shitty thing you hate because they were the same people but hid behind stupid cartoon faces. Just look at Shmorkey, publicly just "I love silly cartoon animal people" but what was hidden behind that thin veneer.

A lot of people keep saying that Mark Merlino had no ties to the dark stuff that occured in the furry fandom. I think this is a bit disingenuous to say the least. Mark Merlino was known to facilitate the dissemination of drawn CSAM at his conventions and when concerned hotel goers said something about it, Mark would refer to them as saboteurs. There is also the infamous "semen in the elevator" complaint that was filed towards him due to the horrendous management of his conventions. If you want a more concise and detailed look at what he was up to, you can watch Fredrick Knudsen's deep dive into the fandom's origins.

The section about the semen elevator is at 18:32
The section about the drawn CSAM is at 15:40

https://youtu.be/8aF2GxWi7Ag?si=GNJptYeduoUrKsq5

There seems to be a lot of folks who don't really get what the early furry fandom was like. It was not like today, where people take steps to hide their degenerate interests. They were part and parcel for being for a furry.

Take this example. These are screen shots from a furry link site that was last updated in 1999:

Spoiler: Furry Grand Central

Back then, this was a well known furry "link site", which was a website that furs put up to advertise their web 1.0 websites. You can see by the link page, zoo stuff was just a part of the furry fandom. It wasn't some separate, hidden fetish, it was right out in the open.

If you dig up early ConFurence con books, they specifically talk about adult stuff in dealers in relation to not showing zoophile or pedophilia, saying that the convention doesn't care "if it's a sentient horse" or a child that's actually a "500 year old elf". They had to put that stuff in writing, because the fandom was so degenerate at the time art material like that was just part of furry.

Furry conventions and public meets didn't have someone walking a bunch of dogs into them, or some kid, because they were places you went to meet people like that, then you would hang out at other times. The Enumclaw horse sex place, or the Silverfox/Brian Miller rent a kid thing was always kept separate from the public meets.

So yeah, if you were a "big time player" in early furry, these were the types of people you were hosting and networking with.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

Not to get all but Afghanistan criminalizes same-sex sexual activity with the death penalty. Yet their national pastimes include Bacha Bhazi, child brides, and polygyny.

Taliban outlawed bacha bhazi while it was in charge. The only reason it resurfaced is because the americans showed up and american soldiers/officers were literally instructed to not disturb locals performing it.

 

[JethroTullamore]

So is Null morally responsible for the bad things some users of KF have done using this site? There are valid arguments for both sides of this, I'm just interested if you're consistent.

No one has done anything bad “using this site” other than exercising their right to freedom of speech, that being said if he was just some innocent cartoon enjoyer who started a fandom that got out of control, that’d be one thing. But he wasn’t. He was a perv, like they all are.

It was always a sex thing. Even back when they were called the Funny Animal Fandom.

I wonder if the RainFurrest aftermath got derailed by discussing which brand of diaper it really was

This made me giggle “the toilets were NEVER clogged with pampers……..they were clearly Huggies, dammit!”

 

[Kiwi2Shoes]

Not to get all but Afghanistan criminalizes same-sex sexual activity with the death penalty. Yet their national pastimes include Bacha Bhazi, child brides, and polygyny.

What the fuck?

 

[King Metalia]

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MOD EDIT:
Mark has no known direct ties to the extremely depraved subcommunities derived from the furry fandom such as zoosadists, he is simply the earliest organizer for the community. Temper your reactions to his passing accordingly. Or don't, I'm just a mod edit.

I take no pleasure in his passing and in a way I pity him for not knowing the degeneracy the fandom he created would bring to the internet.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

oh, a gay tranny/blm supporter in a polycule? and like @Rozzy eluded to above, died from a disease where one of the major risk factors is HepB, commonly spread as an STD that gay men are much more likely to suffer from (because it's often spread through sexual contact with multiple partners)?

People in this thread are like "omg stop gravedancing he dindunuffin" somehow ignoring the fact that even appart from what you just said, this man is singlehandedly responsible for more animals being tortured and raped than any other man in the history of mandkind. And no, its not an unforseen consequence like the guy who invented asbestos or whatever, its not hard to predict what will happen when you make a fandom around being attracted to animals.