Community Tard Baby General (includes brain dead kids) - Fundies and their genetic Fuckups; Parents of corpses in denial

[Sparkling Yuzu]

when I was in elementary school the teachers had a very special lesson for all of us about mental retardation, because they integrated all the tards into regular classrooms and normal kids had a lot of questions. one of the teachers explained "imagine if you were stuck in a box that kept you from communicating but you could still see each other", so basically she was describing locked in syndrome, which I am certain zero of our tards had. one had cerebral palsy & could point on a chart, and the other one went "ONT, ONT, ONT" loudly all the time. A second teacher remarked "good analogy". I can't help but think the kids that trusted teachers were fucking terrified by what they had been told though, locked in syndrome is scary af

Mainstreaming was a mistake.

 

[Android raptor]

Mainstreaming was a mistake.

Warehousing all the autists and problem kids away from the normies to let them rot (and sped teachers do God only knows what) is no picnic either, I can tell you from experience.

I think kids should be mainstreamed as much as possible and kids who can't for whatever reasons should still be given opportunities to interact with the other kids.

 

[Teghern]

Warehousing all the autists and problem kids away from the normies to let them rot (and sped teachers do God only knows what) is no picnic either, I can tell you from experience.

As a fellow official tard (still can't write) there was nothing I preferred more than not having to spend time in the spaz class with the actually disabled/troubled, that stuff is just demoralizing,
The screamers/biters/kickers are kept segregated for good reason and I will never forgive the system for lumping me in with those guys with 6 years, that they trust that stuff to barely minimum wage support staff is just infuriating at that point you're one step removed from just letting them run feral.
Occasionally it works out though, a family member is an actual autist and that lucky bastard got shipped off to an Eton-tier private school just for challenging cases like them all on taxpayer dime because of "actionable needs" and he had a great time, one extreme to the other sometimes.

Totally can't blame the for trying at least though, segregation might not be the solution here but it's there only answer till they get mo moneh for those programs.

 

[sperginity]

Warehousing all the autists and problem kids away from the normies to let them rot (and sped teachers do God only knows what) is no picnic either, I can tell you from experience.

I think kids should be mainstreamed as much as possible and kids who can't for whatever reasons should still be given opportunities to interact with the other kids.

mainstreaming probably wouldn't be such a mistake if the kids could be accurately sorted, but unfortunately the only people willing to sort them work in public schools and are usually not very good at anything that requires a lot of intelligence to discern.

I know in our case the cerebral palsy kid could only point, and he shit himself a lot so I think it made a lot of my classmates actively hate tards. We tried to play with the other girl by going "ONT ONT ONT" back at recess, and the teachers told us we were not allowed to do that because it was mean. I don't know wtf they wanted from us, looking back on it. We couldn't treat them like everyone else in class, but also couldn't treat them differently.

 

[Sparkling Yuzu]

Occasionally it works out though, a family member is an actual autist and that lucky bastard got shipped off to an Eton-tier private school just for challenging cases like them all on taxpayer dime because of "actionable needs" and he had a great time, one extreme to the other sometimes.

All disabled kids should have their own schools.

 

[everybody in Portugal]

All disabled kids should have their own schools.

What, one each? Neat concept, but honestly, that sounds expensive...

 

[Sparkling Yuzu]

What, one each? Neat concept, but honestly, that sounds expensive...

No, I mean disabled kids should go to schools for disabled kids. We used to have schools for the blind, the deaf, behavioral schools etc. It should be brought back.

 

[Android raptor]

Idk, I'm not sure how autistic kids are supposed to learn social skills if they're going to schools with only other autistic kids.

Behavioral schools never went away, they're basically daycare for problem kids to be warehoused and ignored.

 

[Catmannjew]

autistic kids are supposed to learn social skills

Not all autistic children are capable of learning social skills. It is unrealistic to assume that all autistic children will function or be able to be mainstreamed.

The system is flawed but if anyone spent time in sped classrooms, you would know it is unfair to say those kids need to be mainstreamed and hurts those kids. It hurts the classes they end up in.

 

[Android raptor]

Not all autistic children are capable of learning social skills. It is unrealistic to assume that all autistic children will function or be able to be mainstreamed.

The system is flawed but if anyone spent time in sped classrooms, you would know it is unfair to say those kids need to be mainstreamed and hurts those kids. It hurts the classes they end up in.

I spent time in sped as a student. It did more harm than good.

 

[Catmannjew]

I spent time in sped as a student. It did more harm than good.

Then you of all people should understand that you do not speak for all sped classrooms. Your vision of mainstreaming all the sped students would do more harm then good. Mainstreaming a high support need, low functioning autistic child? In a class and being overstimulated and frustrated is unfair.
Some students should be mainstreamed, I am sorry you were not.

 

[Flaming_Barghast]

Absolutely. He treats her like a nuisance, like she disgusts and annoys him.

It's like, you're the one who wanted modern medicine to pull out all the stops to save her life, and you were undoubtedly informed over and over again what that "life" would look like. You knew the most likely outcome and chose heroic measures anyway; you don't get to be disgusted by the reality of it. You have zero moral high ground here, Dugan.

He's also the kind of selfish "Christian" who feels entitled to a miracle. It's as though he expects that God is up there just champing at the bit to send wonderous occurence or three his way because he's so special and great. I'm sure he has some theological justification for his attitude, but I don't care what it is. Is there a term for this phenomenon among a certain flavor of religious people?

I wish she was dumped at hospice where she could be loved. A close family member of mine was a nurse, they had a beautiful 3 month old with a terrible tbi brought in from being shaken... mother never visited due to heartbreak, farther didn't because jail, but nobody else visited either... no grandparents, nothing.
This poor baby only knew pain and seizures, destined to die. But when it was brought in, my family member and every other nurse on that section smothered her with love for the remainder of her life. She lived to a little over 2 years old, and was always remembered by even the docs.
Hospice takes a special kind of person to work it, especially an infant, and you can be assured they'll be taken care of.

 

[Android raptor]

Then you of all people should understand that you do not speak for all sped classrooms. Your vision of mainstreaming all the sped students would do more harm then good. Mainstreaming a high support need, low functioning autistic child? In a class and being overstimulated and frustrated is unfair.
Some students should be mainstreamed, I am sorry you were not.

Never said all kids should be mainstreamed, just that they should be mainstreamed as much as possible. If it's not possible its not possible, but segregation of all kids with any diagnosis is what I experienced and it's pretty fucked.

 

[Pho Real]

Never said all kids should be mainstreamed, just that they should be mainstreamed as much as possible. If it's not possible its not possible, but segregation of all kids with any diagnosis is what I experienced and it's pretty fucked.

There’s benefits to mainstreaming for all students, even students without disabilities. The world doesn’t sort people out into categories that fit them best. And everyone has to learn how to be around and deal with people who are different from them, because that’s how the world works.


I have experience in both special ed and deaf ed, and while there’s some benefits to kids being in classes or schools with only peers who are like them, those kids tend to miss out on educational and social opportunities, and they often go on to struggle in the real world more than peers who were mainstreamed.

That being said, the best practice for special ed is mainstreaming as much as possible. Public education works off the model of “least restrictive environment”, aka where can a student be placed where they are around ‘typical peers’ but also receiving support and an education that’s accessible to them. Sometimes LRE means a self-contained classroom or private placement, but only if there is documented evidence that kid will not be successful in a lesser-restricted/more mainstreamed environment. A kid with a moderate cognitive disability isn’t going to benefit from being placed in honors English, but they can benefit from a significantly modified language arts curriculum taught to them by a special ed teacher who works with that population. Meanwhile, a deaf student who has no other disabilities may do fine in that honors English class, as long as they receive appropriate accommodations (eg. note-taking, preferential seating, etc.).

The TLDR of it is that there is no one right thing for all students with disabilities. It’s highly individualized and just sticking kids in random placements is not helpful.

 

[Sparkling Yuzu]

I wish she was dumped at hospice where she could be loved. A close family member of mine was a nurse, they had a beautiful 3 month old with a terrible tbi brought in from being shaken... mother never visited due to heartbreak, farther didn't because jail, but nobody else visited either... no grandparents, nothing.
This poor baby only knew pain and seizures, destined to die. But when it was brought in, my family member and every other nurse on that section smothered her with love for the remainder of her life. She lived to a little over 2 years old, and was always remembered by even the docs.
Hospice takes a special kind of person to work it, especially an infant, and you can be assured they'll be taken care of.

Yeah, better and more dignified than getting every life extending treatment but treating her like a burden. Hospice can be great, it focuses on pain relief and comfort as the number one priority instead of life extending treatments that don't improve quality of life. I hate what happened to Eva, she was just supremely unlucky to fall on her head the wrong way and they don't need to add insult to injury.

 

[Thomas Eugene Paris]

I hate what happened to Eva, she was just supremely unlucky to fall on her head the wrong way and they don't need to add insult to injury.

If I recall correctly, the exact sequence of events preceding Eva's injury is unclear. It's possible that she had some sort of spontaneous brain bleed that caused her fall from the golf cart, not the other way around. I have the vaguest recollection of her father posting something to this effect in the early days following the incident.

If you think about it, considering the severity of her injury, it would almost make more sense for the brain bleed to precipitate the fall. I'm not saying that anyone did anything wrong or is covering anything up, because regardless of the exact timeline, I think what happened to Eva was just an insane stroke of terrible luck, and it's not like it matters either way. It's just something I think about when she is mentioned here.

 

[Jeremy Renner]

Warehousing all the autists and problem kids away from the normies to let them rot (and sped teachers do God only knows what) is no picnic either, I can tell you from experience.

I think kids should be mainstreamed as much as possible and kids who can't for whatever reasons should still be given opportunities to interact with the other kids.

Being completely unsocialized means you will stay unsocialized. Plenty of autistic people / brain damaged people who are able to cope in society and it's due to repeatedly interacting with other people so you can learn and understand social etiquette. I know plenty of people who are medium-to-high functioning autistic, and people who have had traumatic brain injuries who are great in social settings.

I think part of the problem is the way that we address issues like this are at two extremes - either rigorous, abusive "stop being a retard" therapy which doesn't work, or a complete lack of structure that enables them to never learn anything, and won't address the real issues. Children are already rowdy, uncoordinated and lack an understanding of social structures. If you're intellectually impaired I don't know how anyone could expect you to be able to behave. Speds are only unbearable as long as you refuse to teach them in a way they can understand. They are literally just people with extra roadblocks to development. - Every roadblock will be unique to the person, and everyone will need a different way of getting around them, but they can.

 

[booklover]

I remember seeing Camille Geraldi, who along with her now-deceased husband took in disabled children, most of them with Down syndrome. on "60 Minutes" or some similar TV show. She said, "If you treat these children like they are retarded, they will act like they are retarded."

Full mainstreaming is not the best option for a large percentage of kids with disabilities, but I went to school in the 1970s with a girl who was blind, and a boy who'd had a leg amputated due to a birth defect, and those are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head. Both were mainstreamed with accommodations. Anyway, I don't have a problem with mainstreaming in classes like art, music, or gym, again if it's appropriate for all parties. In high school, we not only had advanced classes, but we also had a program for kids who weren't suitable for regular math, history, science, etc. but not delayed enough for full-fledged special ed. I was also told that many of these kids had been identified as being of extremely high risk of dropping out, which also made sense even then.

There was (and still is) a facility in the neighborhood for "emotionally disturbed children" and knowing what I do now, most of them probably had what we now call Reactive Attachment Disorder (a large percentage of them had been in foster care) but there are two who really stand out who I now believe were on the autistic spectrum. One thing they ALL had in common was that no matter how intelligent they were, they always functioned (reading skills and the like) several grade levels behind the one they were placed in based on their ages.

 

[Sparkling Yuzu]

If you think about it, considering the severity of her injury, it would almost make more sense for the brain bleed to precipitate the fall. I'm not saying that anyone did anything wrong or is covering anything up

Can't brain bleeds in kids happen because of being abused?

 

[GenociderSyo]

What is the typical lifespan for people with the FOP? It sounds like Carol tried to have the best life she could for her circumstances.

Absolute nightmare condition

It's currently about 55 though it used to be a lot worse. Says the cause of death is often "thoracic insufficiency syndrome" or pneumonia, thoracic insufficiency being the muscles attached to your ribcage can't make you breathe any more so you suffocate. Sounds godawful.

They have what may be a promising treatment now many of the FOP accounts I follow are not seeing new bone growth on it. It cannot be given to children though since it will prematurely close the bone growth plates.

I remember seeing a Discovery Channel show about FOP, which is actually where I first heard of it. They mentioned Harry's skeleton, and that his sister said it was a comfort to see that because it meant he wasn't suffering any more.

There are also gradations. There was one person who'd had an arm amputated because they thought she had bone cancer, and TBH, maybe she did, but it hadn't shown up anywhere else in her body as of when the show appeared.

So the woman in that did not actually have cancer. FOP is quite rare and though there is a defining chararcteristic of the toes no one checked it in her. A flare up at that point in time could look like an aggressive cancer so they decided to remove her arm all it did was cause her less mobility and she became completely locked a lot quicker because surgery of any kinds can cause bone growth.

Here is that woman now:


Also on an interesting note it can effect animals too.

On another note there is a woman on IG with a child who has Agenesis of the Corpus Callosum (he is missing the small part of the brain that lets the hemispheres "speak) and Chromosome 8p Duplication and Deletion (included a guide for professionals on it) which means he is profoundly retarded. He functions at a very young age but he definitely is aware.

The mother though is big into holistic stuff and has decided breast milks baths will help him so she has stored her breastmilk for ages and now at 4/5 years old she is still giving him breast milk baths. Had to censor these myself because woo mothers either don't censor or barely censor out inappropriate pictures.