Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Now that you mentioned the elections i realized that there's very good odds they just keep sending Ukranians to the meat grinder until the elections are over to avoid the bad optics of loosing the war. Those poor fuckers
Public opinion and Media on the war is turning negative. I don't know if it'll be better or worse if they were to continue the war through the elections but both options will be deeply unpopular. They will be under pressure to end the war on their terms, only for that to not be possible
 
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Now that you mentioned the elections i realized that there's very good odds they just keep sending Ukranians to the meat grinder until the elections are over to avoid the bad optics of loosing the war.
Those poor fuckers
I mean what can they do if the hohols wise up and simply refuse?

That's exactly how Afghanistan went, btw. They counted on the (immensely corrupt) National Afgan Army to hold the line while they pull out. Whoops, nobody actually wanted to so it just collapsed. You can't make people who don't want to fight, fight.
 
You can't make people who don't want to fight, fight.
Oh, you absolutely can.

Azov and other blocking battalions absolutely can.
You just have to pick some of the people that are "unmotivated", tie their hands together with cable-tie and execute them infront of the rest of the people in the squad. And suddenly the rest of the squad will stop refusing to fight.
There is about a million of telegram videos you can watch about this. Because putting it on telegram will also motivate the soldiers in the squads you have not yet been able to send "motivators" to.

Three people don't want to fight. Execute one of them in front of the others and suddenly you have two people that do want to fight. Motivational speaker 101
 
Oh, you absolutely can.

Azov and other blocking battalions absolutely can.
You just have to pick some of the people that are "unmotivated", tie their hands together with cable-tie and execute them infront of the rest of the people in the squad. And suddenly the rest of the squad will stop refusing to fight.
There is about a million of telegram videos you can watch about this. Because putting it on telegram will also motivate the soldiers in the squads you have not yet been able to send "motivators" to.

Three people don't want to fight. Execute one of them in front of the others and suddenly you have two people that do want to fight. Motivational speaker 101
Oh I'm not denying it. It's how the Ukrainians have been managing to resist the RUAF despite evidence that they had to reconstitute their armies multiple times.

I am, however, positing that such measures have inherent limits. For the French Army, it was Verdun. For the Russian Imperial Army, it began with a worker's strike in Petrograd. For the Germans, it started with a sailor's mutiny in Kiel. These things work... until they don't.
 
They just think that once those f-16s get online or Germany gives them that missile system it will turn the tide.

The fact is that they don't have the personnel to wage any kind of war even defensively much less offensively. Any "wunder waffe" they get will be nothing but a minor distraction or nuisance at this point for the Russians. We've seen and heard this time and time again. First it was the javelin that was going to win it, then himars, the those leopard tanks now it's f-16s and the Tarsus missile system. Half the time the Ukrainians aren't even trained properly.

Too many of their best and brightest have been killed or wounded. The best they can hope for is to delay and hope for a negotiated end.
 
But when you execute one of the remaining two then the last one knifes you in the back when you're not looking.
Surely even the hohols know that 'Azov' are all pretty much fucking dead, and the ones who are left are basically parking wardens from Lvov with badges?

Or are hohols that fucking retarded?

This isn't rhetorical, I'm genuinely puzzled.
 
Jesus christ. Leftisk death squads will roam the streets and track down and murder the evil trumpers because some niggers fighting a different kind of niggers on the other side of the planet, and the wrong kind of nigger won?

Look, no one gives a shit. Real world is not the internet. Normal people care much more about how to deal with inflation and to feed their families than some retard niggers having a fight in some shithole on the other side of the planet.
Even if this retard’s retarded assumption that America is full of “SJWs” who deeply care about Ukraine is true, how the fuck does he expect people who abhor guns, paternalistic authority, and getting off their phone for longer than half an hour to become any sort of effective militia. As long as they can goon to cartoons and eat pigslop no SJW is joining a militia, and their opposition to Putler conquering Ukraine will amount to a few whiny tweets about Trump. The guy genuinely thinks internet political spergs are representative of the real world and important, he lives in a larp fantasy.
 
I think we have maybe a month or two before they consider even talking to the Russians about a peace treaty, and it'll be three or four more months before it sinks in that they HAVE to accept Russias terms. A few more months of crying and screaming and it'll be a humiliating loss just before the elections.
The problem is that there isn't really any good mechanism for a peace deal. Everyone who would want to do one will just get fired or purged. Zelensky and a lot of the people in his faction can also just run away to Canada if Ukraine dies. It would takes an extremely large amount of popular support from Ukrainians to force a peace deal. Very unlikely that things end in a negotiated settlement. One side is going to dictate terms on the other, both sides have made that clear.

Now that you mentioned the elections i realized that there's very good odds they just keep sending Ukranians to the meat grinder until the elections are over to avoid the bad optics of loosing the war.
I think they will absolutely try but Ukraine is having issues and I don't know if Ukraine can last another 9 months with the way things are going.

Public opinion and Media on the war is turning negative. I don't know if it'll be better or worse if they were to continue the war through the elections but both options will be deeply unpopular. They will be under pressure to end the war on their terms, only for that to not be possible
Ukraine is enough of a small thing that it won't matter election unless something big happens which makes it matter. Israel is a way bigger deal to the election.

IMO there is no way you can get unwilling troops to fight as hard as the Ukrainians evidently have been (perhaps the recent few months notwithstanding)
I think this is true. I also think Slav especially don't like to surrender and they have a Mentality that often means they don't like to surrender even if it makes sense to do so. That being said armies have their limits and soldiers won't fight a losing war forever. There does seem to be more Ukrainian prisoners recently too. Blocking detachments can stop a small percentage but once a critical mass is hit then it doesn't matter. Also officers are key too, once the officers start thinking this war is unwinnable they will surrender as well.
 
The problem is that there isn't really any good mechanism for a peace deal. Everyone who would want to do one will just get fired or purged. Zelensky and a lot of the people in his faction can also just run away to Canada if Ukraine dies. It would takes an extremely large amount of popular support from Ukrainians to force a peace deal. Very unlikely that things end in a negotiated settlement. One side is going to dictate terms on the other, both sides have made that clear
I never really said there would be a peace deal. In two months Ukraine will start demanding that Russia agrees to their terms. That will continue for four months with them demanding and putting "pressure" on Russia to agree with their unrealistic terms, after which they will start screaming with infighting about how much to relent on their terms. Then two months after that they may seriously start considering that their terms are unrealistic and that they aren't in a position to do anything but accept Russia's terms.

Ukraine is enough of a small thing that it won't matter election unless something big happens which makes it matter. Israel is a way bigger deal to the election
Biden did pull out of Afghanistan ahead of schedule to pull a political win, I wouldn't put it past them to try to end the Ukraine because that embarrassment will be rubbed in their faces for the entire duration of election campaigning.
 
So true. I expected Russia to hit weakened positions for a little bit to the west of Avdeevka and then stop once Ukraine reorganized itself in that region. However that expectation of mine was incorrect.

There was more movement west of Avdeevka. It is likely Russia is pinning forces down here meaning that the extra resources Ukraine deployed in the Region are not going to be freed up. I don't know how long Russia intends to keep the pressure up here but they are making gains here.
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Video about Russians crawling through the pipes. It is a good story and the video goes into more detail.

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Respect. Heroes those men, every one of them.

I can’t imagine walking for miles through a pipe that’s 4-5 feet tall. And these guys did it with body armour, full gear. AND THEN ENGAGED IN FIGHTING FOR SIX DAYS BEHIND ENEMY LINES BEFORE THEY WERE ABLE TO BE RELIEVED.

Mad respect.

I recently saw that 70% of US possible recruits are too fat, too out of shape, too mentally ill or too addled to drugs to be in the military.

I reckon that MAYBE a US seal team would be able to pull off something like this feat, but… These are volunteers. Not special forces.

It seems that we have reached the point where the Russian military has the edge not just in quantity but also in quality.
 
Zelensky announced a new surprise coyntyroffynsyv and made some... other statements that I present without comment.

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Lord protect the Russian troops. Prayers for them and to the misguided Ukrainians in hope that they will turn against their abusive western puppet government. I wish there was more I could do. Time to turn off the internet again and see you guys in a few months when we have some new developments. Peace. Z.
 
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