Did Nazi Germany have oil? Would Germany have curbed stomped everyone if they never invaded the Soviets? Tank sperging. Debate it all here.

[Susanna]

Wow, the way you go on about it, sounds like the Royal Navy was a major factor in Germany's defeat.

No, but it would have been if they'd invaded Iran, or purchased yank oil.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Wow, the way you go on about it, sounds like the Royal Navy was a major factor in Germany's defeat.

Also, @SaidNoOneEver, no, Germany did not invade the USSR because it needed petroleum. The USSR shipped Germany all the petroleum it needed. Stalin even sought to join the Axis in 1940. Hitler ordered the invasion of the USSR because he hated Slavs, wanted to cleanse the land of its inhabitants, and repopulate the area with Germans.

I'll take "What are the Baku oil fields in Azerbaijan" for 200, Alex.

 

[Rubick]

Where was Germany doing large scale operations after 1941/42? Invasions and such? I swear it's like I woke up in bizarro world today.

Are you fucking stupid ? Soviet fucking Union. Again i ask if Germany was running out of oil and fuel. Then explain to me how Germany was able to continue the war for FOUR years not only without getting any amount of oil from the Soviet Union but actually spending all the oil on keeping a giant fucking army in the field?

 

[kuuu]

Stalingrad was just a prank bro.

 

[>tfw no Asian gf]

This is all very autistic.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

This is all very autistic.

Welcome to the Thunderdome. Enjoy your stay.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

This guy's dissertation and his six dozen sources pretty much sums it up instead of derailing the thread further: https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/AD1020261.pdf

Are you fucking stupid ? Soviet fucking Union.

Barbarossa was 1941 and it's purpose was to capture Russian oil fields. It failed. There's a reason Germany was still using horse-drawn carriages when the US landed at Normandy against little Luftwaffe opposition.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

how Germany was able to continue the war for FOUR years

The Reich was getting oil from Romania and IG Farben had a cozy deal making synthetic oil from coal irrc.

 

[Seedling]

I thought the sanctions would had made for a good couple of pages.
Instead everyone is back to arguing about WW2, goes to show how little impact this round of sanctions has

 

[Rubick]

The Reich was getting oil from Romania and IG Farben had a cozy deal making synthetic oil from coal irrc.

Well, yes. My point exactly. For almost the entire period in which Germany actually waged an offensive war with USSR there is no effective sign of them being hampered by lack of oil be it synthetic or not.

Barbarossa was 1941 and it's purpose was to capture Russian oil fields. It failed. There's a reason Germany was still using horse-drawn carriages when the US landed at Normandy against little Luftwaffe opposition.

And again i ask if Germany was running out of oil and fuel. Then explain to me how Germany was able to continue the war for FOUR years not only without getting any amount of oil from the Soviet Union but actually spending all the oil on keeping a giant fucking army in the field?

You'd think by you're logic the Germen field armies would all stop to function. and the war would be over in a year then.


Germans where using horse-drawn carriages from the get go it was due to lack of truck rather then oil.

 

[Vesperus]

And again i ask if Germany was running out of oil and fuel.

Ok, I think I see where it's going wrong.
Germany has zero oil.
The Axis Powers had oil in Ploiești, Romania.

Germany was at the end of a long pipeline, to the extent that they were developing synfuels before the outbreak of the war: Getting more was a priority (fair enough, would you want to rely on Romanians?).

Once the allies starting pushing back (including attacking the pipelines out of Ploiești) they had some crippling shortages.

Edit: as an aside, Germany could be using the Fischer–Tropsch process to piss carbon-neutral fuel out of their nuclear reactors to this day, if not for the fact that they're fucking retarded and deserve every bad thing that happens to them.

 

[Saleh]

And again i ask if Germany was running out of oil and fuel. Then explain to me how Germany was able to continue the war for FOUR years not only without getting any amount of oil from the Soviet Union but actually spending all the oil on keeping a giant fucking army in the field?

You'd think by you're logic the Germen field armies would all stop to function. and the war would be over in a year then.


Germans where using horse-drawn carriages from the get go it was due to lack of truck rather then oil.

Well, the lack of oil doesn't mean the army is inoperative but that it's offensive capabilities are significantly decreased. They mostly rationed and saved fuel for counter-attacks in defensive operations or for local offensives like Kursk or the Battle of the Bulge.

The Germans simply didn't had enough oil to perform war winning offensives like Operation Case Blue or Barbarossa again but they had enough oil for defensive operations and more locally focused offensives.

 

[Michael Wade]

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Really funny article. 1941- 1942 period of recovery and preparations on both sides. Lol . Operation Barbarossa, Case Blue, Pearl Harbor. Japanese invasion of European colonies .... Are really tiny things that had no effect on war.

dumbass. maybe 1939-1940 if charitable

It makes a very big difference. Stalin wasn't singing the US' praises with that, he was saying Fuck You to Winston Churchill if that's even what he really said.

Lend Lease didn't even provide much to Russia until two years after Barbarossa failed. Germany could not win after retreating from Russia. US arms only sped up the inevitable.

Ive done some reading on this. Respectfully disagree. Early on in the war it was a big, BIG deal. We sent them guns, tanks, planes fuel and ammo. They needed it as a stopgap measure while they reorganized behind the scenes and got their production lines finalized. A not inconsiderable amount of convoy ships had to go through ice up against U-boats and aircraft with loses being pretty horrific.

The way I see it, if Germany never enacted the pointless genocide killings and encouraged civilian uprisings along with taking the ice ports that facilitated Land lease. They would have had much better chances. (at one point they were within sight of taking a port, but did not commit)

Another thing people dont realize is how underutilized the fins were. At the time Finland aided Germany in the invasion and did a pretty good job of accomplishing its objectives (every german division in their theater failed) The problem is they immediately hunkered down and refused to further invade Russia when they recaptured their territory. They basically sat out the war almost two years until Russia hit them back! (Germany wasted a lot of resources trying to keep them in the war before they joined up with Russia)


Finally I think people really underestimate the leadership of general zhukov. That man in Eisenhower's words is literally half the reason the war was able to be won. Good generalship is not something to be taken for granted as the krain war shows. He was a rare breed, a good man, a good general and somebody who knew how to toe the line when talking to Stalin.

 

[Strix454]

And yet somehow Germans where able to do large scale operation until into 1944.

Read the book "War for Oil: The Nazi Quest for an Oil Empire" by Dietrich Eichholtz. Its available in English. It will answer all of the questions you are asking in extreme detail.

 

[BradCarter]

Lemme just come back and check the farms. Oh, some dude paid $260 to feature some dumb thread and the thread about the ongoing war has devolved into violent infighting about how much oil Nazi Germany had. I love you autists, never change.

 

[Cuckoman]

Lemme just come back and check the farms. Oh, some dude paid $260 to feature some dumb thread and the thread about the ongoing war has devolved into violent infighting about how much oil Nazi Germany had. I love you autists, never change.

Don't jinx it. Do you want the thread to go back to be all about secret nuclear trains?

 

[Sexual Chocolate]

Well, yes. My point exactly. For almost the entire period in which Germany actually waged an offensive war with USSR there is no effective sign of them being hampered by lack of oil be it synthetic or not.

You win my nigga


Hitler decides to invade Russia by train (colorized, 1941)

 

[BikeLock]

Ukraine is losing so hard that we're now getting WWII history lessons.

Top Kek

 

[Halfnium Bomb]

Ukraine is losing so hard that we're now getting WWII history lessons.

Top Kek

Be grateful it's WWII and not about the 9th century Ruirikid Dynasty.

 

[Male Idiot]

Wait... hold up... you are saying... it took all the world to beat down Germany? Small Germany? Maybe they did something Reich!

Or they fought the French, lol. Doesn't really matter here, as hohols are not much different from ruskies ethnically. Maybe outsourcing all production to China was a mistake, Uncle Sammy!