Business Big Tech Layoffs Megathread - Techbros... we got too cocky...

Since my previous thread kinda-sorta turned into a soft megathread, and the tech layoffs will continue until morale improves, I think it's better to group them all together.

For those who want a QRD:


Just this week we've had these going on:

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But it's not just Big Tech, the vidya industry is also cleaning house bigly:

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All in all, rough seas ahead for the techbros.
 
5 years ago? That was a feasible strategy.

But, these guys missed the boat (or maybe plane?) and nobody's going to touch it now as the economy keeps on tanking.

So, while they wasted a lot of my tax money greasing themselves up to slide into ownership of someone else, they at least didn't get their big payday they envisioned.....
If I'm not mistaken, they're a Swedish company so they didn't get American tax payer money directly at least.
 
Watching Bell Labs die in the 90s-2000s was just fucking depressing.

When it comes to jobs I’m laughing at all the techbros expecting $250k for a job in the middle of nowhere. My former company has been looking for a fullstack developer for over a year now but no one wants to do the “boring” coding of HMI, PLC and production management.

I’m laughing as my current job is desperately looking for engineers but they have to be mechanical or industrial. That plus the fact that it is in “flyover country” and you are expected to be out on the production floor has kept the DIE idiots from applying. None of them want to get dirty and greasy.
This is literally the reason I became a controls engineer. Most of my work breaks down into PLC programming, consultations for clients that want to automate specific production procedures, and field installation for smaller companies that don't have a dedicated team for control processes. I get an easy 50/50 ratio of working from home and traveling with my company to various jobsites. The shitheads I know that work exclusively in IT roles that only know how to "code" are starting to see their cushy job at MS is getting lost to pajeets for cents on the dollar after they tried to talk shit to me for refusing to take the easy way out by working for a large corporation.
 
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“I've been in the industry for 15 years and I've never seen things this bad,”

I've been in software (not games) for 16 years and uh yeah I've seen worse. Wonder what the difference is?
Ignorance, mostly. Fifteen years puts them into the post-2008 boom that gaming saw as they hit an intersection of mass market appeal, affordable hardware and software even under recession conditions (You could get a used console that still worked perfectly fine and a years worth of used games for maybe a weeks salary back then, and the games were pretty reliably good enough) that brought the hobby solidly into the mainstream on all fronts for all age and income brackets. And anyone starting in an industry won't start to really get a 'feel' for the job economics until 2-4 years in when they're starting to seriously look at growth opportunities or new jobs, so this person is probably looking at 2013 onwards, when the infinite money spigot from microtransactions was making its first forays into the wider industry. All this fueled growth that made it possible for a studio to even have 300 spare heads to lay off while still existing - Pre-2007, you were huge if your entire studio has a hundred people, by 2015 a hundred people was a mid sized or pre-production team for one of three projects a studio might have in flight at a given moment. by 2020, a hundred people would be the resources allocated to DLC and live service support for this years tentpole title, after it launched. The numbers have become bonkers, and staff corrections are always a percentage game not an individual headcount sort of situation, there's always 5-10% of excess you can shave off.

He's never seen it this bad because he happened to pop in during what will probably be seen as a golden age of squandered opportunities in the AAA space. The layoffs are honestly pretty reserved compared to the scale of the industry, people are just clearly incredibly ignorant as to the new scale of the industry.
 
Indeed; the dotcom bust was brutal. It's amazing how fast those lessons get forgotten.
When I was in highschool telling people I wanted to get into software development I had several people warning me away from it, saying things like "my brother he got a degree in computer science and now he can't find a job and he's just working as a janitor." When I started the first few years job searches were hard and options were slim. First place out of school half the staff were laid off the first year I was there.

All these companies that went on bonkers hiring binges always had a bad smell to me.
 
When I was in highschool telling people I wanted to get into software development I had several people warning me away from it, saying things like "my brother he got a degree in computer science and now he can't find a job and he's just working as a janitor." When I started the first few years job searches were hard and options were slim. First place out of school half the staff were laid off the first year I was there.

All these companies that went on bonkers hiring binges always had a bad smell to me.
Agreed. Paradoxically I've found companies offering big signing bonuses are more likely to start laying people off because it indicates they're trying to staff up fast and/or poach skilled workers from other companies (or get them off the market before competitors can snag them). Neither of those options bodes well for job (or company) stability.

The only exception to this is when you're a senior level in your field and you actually possess highly-sought skills, and the company making the offer is putting you to work immediately on an actual project that's already been funded and just getting off the ground.

Conversely, getting poached by Apple away from Google during the hiring process just so Google can't have you typically means you're going to be warming a seat at Apple while they find some busy work for you.
 
Musk firing the majority of Twitter proved that point in spades.
This is a misread of the situation. Musk did what he did because he is a work autist and he mistimed his buyout and was forced to overpay for a shit company. Twitter had been severely mismanaged and had a lot of bloat.
Every big tech company knows they can survive with a very small crew of engineers purely for maintenance. Noone runs a company just to survive, and only private equity firms optimize only for profit. This is true for all companies, only tech companies scale much easier and much cheaper. On the other hand, they can also layoff and cut costs much faster and easier than other industries.
In 2020/2021, low interest rates + government literately giving individuals and businesses cash lead to unprecedented amount of investor cash available for companies. Every executive team had the same meeting where they weighed the outcomes and decided that not hiring to meet the amount of cash available would be infinitely more risky than playing it 'safe' and keeping normal headcount. If they overhire, and things go wrong, they can very easily layoff a lot of their workforce without much cost. If they don't hire, and it turns out to be a permanent shift of money into the tech sector, they'll lose out on so much that it might risk the life of their company. The cost of hiring would go up and they would be late and miss out on top talent who would be going to their competitors. They would have less engineering power than their competitors which limit their ability to make moves and pivot. Which means for example, when chatgpt and ai became popular, google would have had an even worse response, which would tank their stock even further.
I'm sure a lot of the people in these meetings and making these decisions knew the current economic situation wouldn't last. They aren't stupid. However, comparing the worst case scenario of doing a few layoffs, vs becoming an irrelevant company, the choice was clear.

When I was in highschool telling people I wanted to get into software development I had several people warning me away from it, saying things like "my brother he got a degree in computer science and now he can't find a job and he's just working as a janitor." When I started the first few years job searches were hard and options were slim. First place out of school half the staff were laid off the first year I was there.

All these companies that went on bonkers hiring binges always had a bad smell to me.

You shouldn't put too much stock into what outsiders say about the industry. CS degrees don't mean shit. Plenty of people cheat, and plenty of people who can't code, pass classes by making up for it in other areas. If you got a degree and ended up working as a janitor (I've known people who ended up like this) you suck at software engineering.
New grad job search is always going to be hard. Your best bet is to get an internship and get a return offer from it. However internships are mostly offered to the best students in class. Its just a numbers game where you gotta apply and study to pass interviews.
 
Your best bet is to get an internship and get a return offer from it. However internships are mostly offered to the best students in class. Its just a numbers game where you gotta apply and study to pass interviews.
Contractor work can be good too - There's always some company out there looking to fill a six month slot with a bare minimum budget, high turnover, and a "We'll take what we can get" attitude around skills. Its shitty work, but 2-3 six month stints like that will actually give you contacts and experience in the field, and then you can leverage that into having actual good shit on a resume. Some contract houses also double as recruitment and placement agencies, leveraging their partnerships to help companies fill permanent slots, and pocketing a sizeable fee to make up for losing a contractor. In return, the company can be reasonable sure the person isn't shit. So if you want to prioritize stability over pay, there's an exit ramp - just don't expect FAANG salaries, these places have heavy relations with contract houses for a reason.

Lots of people think of the highly paid consultant in contract spaces, but for every one of those there's dozens of entry level people just doing whatever happens to pop up at a partner. Great way to learn as you'll be constantly tossed around into different project work, and if you can handle the stress, the path towards highly paid consultant is there too.
 
Contractor work can be good too - There's always some company out there looking to fill a six month slot with a bare minimum budget, high turnover, and a "We'll take what we can get" attitude around skills. Its shitty work, but 2-3 six month stints like that will actually give you contacts and experience in the field, and then you can leverage that into having actual good shit on a resume. Some contract houses also double as recruitment and placement agencies, leveraging their partnerships to help companies fill permanent slots, and pocketing a sizeable fee to make up for losing a contractor. In return, the company can be reasonable sure the person isn't shit. So if you want to prioritize stability over pay, there's an exit ramp - just don't expect FAANG salaries, these places have heavy relations with contract houses for a reason.

Lots of people think of the highly paid consultant in contract spaces, but for every one of those there's dozens of entry level people just doing whatever happens to pop up at a partner. Great way to learn as you'll be constantly tossed around into different project work, and if you can handle the stress, the path towards highly paid consultant is there too.

I wouldn't ever take a contractor position if I had a fulltime alternative. If you contract for the company you are working for, it really sucks. You are first to get cut during layoffs. You don't have access to benefits, which aside from healthcare etc, means in some cases you can't eat at the cafeteria while all the full time employees can. You don't get stock, which means your comp is much lower than FTE. The company also doesn't invest in your growth, so you don't really grow your skills. Having a number of contracting positions looks really bad for a lot of hiring managers. You also get fucked over extra for taxes as a 1099.
Being contracted out by an agency is somewhat better, but still suffers from a lot of the issues that come from not actually being an employee. I don't think the agency to hire model is that common. The agency is charging a lot more than what you are making to the company they are contracting you out for. There's a huge finder's fee involved with hiring someone that is contracted out to you. I've seen the whole thing fall apart becuase one of our contracts that wanted to be hired approached the whole thing in the wrong order that killed his chance of being hired by us.
 
However internships are mostly offered to the best students in class.
The quote was literally 20 years ago but this is not true at all. Most programs you cannot graduate without doing internships, and the ones that do not have that requirement almost everyone gets an internship with only the most autistic academia nuts who intend to be in grad programs for a decade and the absolute worst in class not doing so.

Only times I've seen that not be the case are 2008, 2020 and the past year or so.
 
The quote was literally 20 years ago but this is not true at all. Most programs you cannot graduate without doing internships, and the ones that do not have that requirement almost everyone gets an internship with only the most autistic academia nuts who intend to be in grad programs for a decade and the absolute worst in class not doing so.

Only times I've seen that not be the case are 2008, 2020 and the past year or so.

I was in a pretty notable cs school. Maybe only a third of the class got an internship. They had to seek internships out themselves. Sometimes professors with a connection to a company might recommend one of their favorite students for an internship, but the cs department mostly didn't help at all. Even if they wanted to help, there was a limited number of nearby tech companies with the size to support an internship. The best they did was to hold career fair where bigger companies would come to get resumes. You still had to go through a pretty tough interview. That's where I ended up getting my internship.
 
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  • We envision reducing our headcount by about 900 people, or about 8% of our current workforce
  • There will be impact for employees across all SIE regions – Americas, EMEA, Japan, and APAC
  • Several PlayStation Studios are affected
  • For those of you in the US, all impacted employees will be notified today.
  • In the UK, it is proposed:
    • That PlayStation Studios’ London Studio will close in its entirety;
    • That there will be reductions in Firesprite studio;
    • And that there will be reductions in various functions across SIE in the UK.
 
Well, guess that part of the Suckerpunch leak about Sony planning to close one of its studios was true. Glad its London, they've never made anything interesting and have been taking their sweet-ass time on... whatever it is they were supposed to be doing.
 
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I wouldn't ever take a contractor position if I had a fulltime alternative. If you contract for the company you are working for, it really sucks. You are first to get cut during layoffs.

Contrator gigs are the only work right now, at least in tech/media. Same as working 2-3 part time jobs because no one wants to pay benefits for full time. Any job advertising a $40K - $70K salary (not to mention $100K+) is showing a ghost job to give the illusion of growth.

Slight PL: I got cut and replaced by gig workers and pajeets.

Talent doesn’t matter when you’re disosable. So long as hiring takes 1 1/2 months or longer (if anyone’s hiring at all,) freelancers will fill the gaps, without training, benefits, or stability.

There is no full time work. You will own nothing and be happy
 
Contrator gigs are the only work right now, at least in tech/media
Can confirm. Almost all tech jobs go through a temp agency and they always do Contract-To-Hire, meaning if by like 3-6 months they aren't satisfied with you, you're gone. If they like you, then they will let you on fulltime with the actual company so you can get paid through then rather than the agency.

Either way, it's not a 100% guarentee you'll be hired if you do good work because there's always some stupid bullshit that will prevent that, and if it's an office job, it'll most likely be the stupid office politics that go on regarding the staff (either someone important won't like you even though you rarely ever interact with them, or someone just has a personal grudge against you mostly due to the fact you are considered a threat BECAUSE you do a good job).
 
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