MASSIVE Erection Thread 2016 - Lizard has the advantage. Trump is spiraling towards defeat.

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All discussion of the candidates, updates and results should go here

For example- here's a video of Ted Cruz vying for world domination.

Also Hilary Clinton is a crook and nobody should have sex with her.

Discuss

(Note- The title will change as we get nearer the election, previous titles will be archived in the OP)

 

[Ruin]

I'm starting to think you either have a warped sense of right and wrong, or don't care.

You didn't figure that out the hundred or so times he defended cop killers and rioting?

 

[Jaimas]

You didn't figure that out the hundred or so times he defended cop killers and rioting?

I thought that was because he was trying to earn more Dindus.

 

[feedtheoctopus]

That doesn't make it right to let them do it to us.

I'm starting to think you either have a warped sense of right and wrong, or don't care.

It doesn't matter what I think. Business is business, buddy. That's how the government thinks. That's how it will always think. Morality does not exist if we're talking about global geopolitics. Even Trump understands this what with his love of torture and bombing people for petty reasons and all.

Edit: I should add that the Saudis aren't exploiting us. Really, watch that documentary I linked, Adam Curtis goes over the history of the whole relationship wonderfully. It's a mutual relationship. We get oil and military cooperation from them, they get money for economic development and weapons from us. Next time you fill up your car take a moment and dwell on the fact that it's only cheap because we sell bombs to Wahhabists.

 

[Tranhuviya]

It doesn't matter what I think.

You are the cancer eating away at democracy and rule of the people, you communist filth. Your apathy has allowed corruption to run rampant. It matters exactly what you think, and if every person exercised their full grips on their elected officials, our nation would be praised for the morality of it's rulers - us, the people.

That's how the government thinks. That's how it will always think.

Or maybe that's how it thinks since nobody bothers to hold the corrupt accountable. Ever consider that?

Morality does not exist if we're talking about global geopolitics.

This is foolish beyond belief. If morality does not exist in a government that should and must reflect the will of it's people, then morality therefore does not exist. Of course, since you apparently seem to subscribe to the more sociopathic interpretations of realpolitik, instead of it's original intent, this is no surprise.

 

[Chiang Kai-shek]

On one end of the clusterfuck that is the international Autism Expo we now are calling the 2016 election, we have Hillary Clinton.

Hillary represents the very worst of the DLC-era Democrats that I have literally spent the bulk of my political activism trying to fight in the left. For the uninitiated, the DLC represents the status-quo "there's no real difference between us and the right except social issues" Democrats that have consistently lost election after election. This would be bad enough, but she's honestly gone and become representative of one of the most destructive ideologies to have ever emerged from the left in recent years, and now has the backing of most of the Republican establishment. Throw in my ongoing personal shit with her (backing Jack Thompson, being openly pro-censorship, the entire Sanders shitstorm with the DNC), and you have a candidate I would sooner find a way to swallow my own ass than vote for.

On the other we have Trump, an absolute bumblefuck who is inspiring zero confidence in social, economic, and foreign policy spheres. Every time Trump says or does anything common-sensical, he chases it by doing or saying something of monumental idiocy. I love what Trump represents in terms of throwing a wrench in the political system, but I absolutely can't stand him as a human being and he espouses a huge number of ideological beliefs fundamentally incompatible with what I care about. Yet ultimately he's probably less damaging than Clinton is, and that fucking terrifies me. It's gotten to the point where I'm strongly considering voting for him just to piss off certain assholes I know IRL who won't shut the fuck up about how democracy as we know it is doomed if Trump gets in (Nigga we survived Reagan, Clinton, and Both Bushes. We'll be fine).

But the point of fact is that we have queen of the status quo and harbinger of quite everything I hate about the left versus someone who may or may not be riotously unstable, untested, and potentially dangerous to stability in general. Fucking hell of a choice you've given us, America.

Welcome to 2016, the election year where it mostly boils down to which candidate you hate less.

Remember when competent people who actually gave a shit about the country ran for office? I miss those days.

 

[feedtheoctopus]

You are the cancer eating away at democracy and rule of the people, you communist filth. Your apathy has allowed corruption to run rampant. It matters exactly what you think, and if every person exercised their full grips on their elected officials, our nation would be praised for the morality of it's rulers - us, the people.


Or maybe that's how it thinks since nobody bothers to hold the corrupt accountable. Ever consider that?


This is foolish beyond belief. If morality does not exist in a government that should and must reflect the will of it's people, then morality therefore does not exist. Of course, since you apparently seem to subscribe to the more sociopathic interpretations of realpolitik, instead of it's original intent, this is no surprise.

That's one salty post.

So what's your plan to "make corrupt officials accountable"? Elect a corrupt New York yuppie who steals money from charities and who seems to think war crimes are a legitimate response to every conceivable problem he would face?

Great plan.

 

[*Asterisk*]

That's one salty post.

So what's your plan to "make corrupt officials accountable"? Elect a corrupt New York yuppie who steals money from charities and who seems to think war crimes are a legitimate response to every conceivable problem he would face?

Great plan.

This still isn't a pro-Clinton argument. Nor is the reverse a pro-Trump one.

 

[feedtheoctopus]

This still isn't a pro-Clinton argument. Nor is the reverse a pro-Trump one.

Clinton and me have no overlap in personal politics whatsoever. I will say we could do worse, but our society is so fucked that that's a low bar.

I don't vote for people because I like them, I vote for them because the other guy's even worse.

 

[Ineedahero]

Calling me neoliberal is pretty fucking hilarious,

So you think that the US relationship with Saudi Arabia is mutually beneficial and people should be grateful every time they fill up their car, and you also apparently think that Saudis donated to the Clinton foundation out of the goodness of their hearts because they already have good relations with the US and couldn't possibly get anything more by donating directly to presidential candidates. Yeah I can't imagine why I think you are a neoliberal. I guess I was just confused because every other person I know who is opposed to the free market would consider those stellar examples of why the free market is fucked up, not excellent examples of politics working out well for everyone.

But given you also consider morality out of place in politics, and you smugly celebrate the tragedy of the commons, I guess all I can really say is good luck with next semester!

 

[Jaimas]

That's one salty post.

So what's your plan to "make corrupt officials accountable"? Elect a corrupt New York yuppie who steals money from charities and who seems to think war crimes are a legitimate response to every conceivable problem he would face?

Great plan.

You know, normally, I'd be cool with your willingness to be analytical and do your homework.
After five pages, however? Fuck your self-righteousness.

I could deal with the fact that you were yelling about how everyone supported the Iraq war when 3 million people took to the streets to protest it and all evidence that didn't come from the mainstream press showed far less public support than they liked to claim. I could look the other way during the "We're all responsible for the terrible decisions our leaders have made without our consent" canard. I can ignore the "We're all fucked so may as well do what causes the least harm" angle. I am choosing to, for your own sake, ignore the fact that Clinton's policies as revealed by her own press statements involve attacking countries trying to westernize and become less of a threat to the world so that the Sauds maintain regional control. I'm even willing to ignore the concentrated Autism you sprayed during the last few political threads.

But if you think - for a fucking second - that I'm not going to mock your ass over a statement as idiotic as this:

I don't vote for people because I like them, I vote for them because the other guy's even worse.

Then you deserve to get .

See, there's a funny thing about running on fear of the worse option:
Sooner or later, people stop being afraid. Guess where that shit led.

 

[QI 541]

Remember when competent people who actually gave a shit about the country ran for office? I miss those days.

Those days never existed. It's just a lot easier to see the corruption now thanks to the internet, which is why the governments are currently trying to destroy it.

 

[DangerousGas]

I don't vote for people because I like them, I vote for them because the other guy's even worse.

People thinking like that is what causes the political race to the bottom that the US is currently staring down the barrel of. Well done.

 

[Too Many Crooks]

Is it me or are certain Kiwis becoming more exceptional as this godawful election draws closer?

39 more days

 

[Pikimon]

Is it me or are certain Kiwis becoming more exceptional as this godawful election draws closer?

39 more days

Just stay really unattached to the whole thing and punch in the candidate you want to win and be done with it.

Or you can spend the entire thing screaming at other people for being the wrongest and accuse them of being literally hitler/stalin

 

[Jaimas]

Is it me or are certain Kiwis becoming more exceptional as this godawful election draws closer?

39 more days

You guys do know the report button exists, right? If someone's being especially Autistic, let us know.

We'll look into it, and if necessary handle it.

 

[feedtheoctopus]

You know, normally, I'd be cool with your willingness to be analytical and do your homework.
After five pages, however? Fuck your self-righteousness.

I could deal with the fact that you were yelling about how everyone supported the Iraq war when 3 million people took to the streets to protest it and all evidence that didn't come from the mainstream press showed far less public support than they liked to claim. I could look the other way during the "We're all responsible for the terrible decisions our leaders have made without our consent" canard. I can ignore the "We're all fucked so may as well do what causes the least harm" angle. I am choosing to, for your own sake, ignore the fact that Clinton's policies as revealed by her own press statements involve attacking countries trying to westernize and become less of a threat to the world so that the Sauds maintain regional control. I'm even willing to ignore the concentrated Autism you sprayed during the last few political threads.

But if you think - for a fucking second - that I'm not going to mock your ass over a statement as idiotic as this:




Then you deserve to get .

See, there's a funny thing about running on fear of the worse option:
Sooner or later, people stop being afraid. Guess where that shit led.

Meh, fuck it. That was brutal.

 

[Pikimon]

You guys do know the report button exists, right? If someone's being especially Autistic, let us know.

We'll look into it, and if necessary handle it.

But then the entire thread would be nuked

 

[feedtheoctopus]

But then the entire thread would be nuked

If I'm getting baited into writing incoherent drunken rants at 4AM that's probably a good thing

This shit ain't healthy

 

[Jaimas]

Well, everyone's pissed at me. That's alright, I do come off like a dick, I will admit. Not my intention. So for everyone's sake I'll add this last bit and then stop posting you drunk essays that nobody cares about. I think the point I was trying to make originally got lost in a sea of sidetracks and became an incoherent mess (assuming it wasn't to begin with).

I honestly think Trump is a dangerous person for the world. Now you can agree or disagree with that, but every time I turn on the news I see more and more evidence of it. The reason is that the world is not a happy, kind, loving place and it is also an extremely complicated one. American power isn't something people should deal with lightly. When the US fucks up it doesn't just hurt itself. As far as I can tell Trump is a dangerously ignorant and arrogant person. I've heard him bad mouth the geneva conventions and say that killing foreign troops isn't an act of war. More than that this country needs to work with the rest of the world. That's not always a wonderful process. Our government deals with a lot of terrible people because, from their perspective, they need to. The US isn't an island. It can't just isolate itself from the rest of the world but the caveat is that trying to impose its will on other countries doesn't help it either. Trump seems to want either isolationism or a kind of imperialism, depending on the question being asked and what audience he's speaking to (the man isn't exactly consistent).

I don't see Trump navigating all of this in an even remotely positive way.

I'm not Clinton's biggest fan for a lot of reasons. But I see no equivalency between the two. At least in the sense that Clinton hasn't called the geneva conventions a "problem" (which is pretty much a dealbreaker for me, frankly). Barring a viable third party (doesn't exist) I don't really have a lot of options here. If it was anybody but Trump running I probably would vote for a third party (I've done it before). But this year? I really wouldn't be able to live with myself if I let my own personal ideals get Trump into office. Despite my sperging to you all, I'm not arrogant enough to believe my personal values should be imposed on the world or some shit.

If anybody has a better option please, for the love of christ, let me know what it is

In the immortal words of CatParty: "Lol calm down"

Here's what the media tries to portray Trump as:

Here's the reality:

I'm not trying to be mean, so lemme break this down for ya. You have a coherent argument, but it's undermined by logic holes.

First, even if Trump gets elected he's subject to the same exact structures already in place that every other president has always had. Second, even if you want to entertain the argument that he'll go completely off the rails if elected, running roughshod over policy (spoiler alert: He won't, because congress will be even more do-nothing under him than it was under Obama), he wouldn't be able to establish any real control of either party which will prove largely unwilling to work with him. The one thing that he has in his quiver is domestic and economic policy, and for every bit of flaming stupid he has there, he also has a number of ideas that are, simply put, fucking good ideas like bringing manufacturing back stateside.

Simply surmised: Trump would be a relative non-issue and be gone in four years.

There is something very important that could come out of Trump's presidency if he wins but that's fodder for another thread entirely.

 

[Pikimon]

In the immortal words of CatParty: "Lol calm down"

Here's what the media tries to portray Trump as:

Here's the reality:

I'm not trying to be mean, so lemme break this down for ya. You have a coherent argument, but it's undermined by logic holes.

First, even if Trump gets elected he's subject to the same exact structures already in place that every other president has always had. Second, even if you want to entertain the argument that he'll go completely off the rails if elected, running roughshod over policy (spoiler alert: He won't, because congress will be even more do-nothing under him than it was under Obama), he wouldn't be able to establish any real control of either party which will prove largely unwilling to work with him. The one thing that he has in his quiver is domestic and economic policy, and for every bit of flaming stupid he has there, he also has a number of ideas that are, simply put, fucking good ideas like bringing manufacturing back stateside.

Simply surmised: Trump would be a relative non-issue and be gone in four years.

There is something very important that could come out of Trump's presidency if he wins but that's fodder for another thread entirely.

My big issue with Trump is his stances on the environment and that all his presumed Supreme Court picks are Heritage Foundation people who want to repeal the Supreme Court ruling on gay marriage.

It's about policy people, just put forward your problems with the candidate's policy and stay away from the batshit conspiracy theories.