Europhiles / Americanophobia / EU+UK Commonwealth Inferiority Complex / American Dunning–Kruger Virtue Signaling

[SpergioLeonne]

I'm American retard.

Yeah i love measuring clearances in tenthousandths of an inch instead of tenths of a millimeter. How easy and convenient!

There’s no functional difference. You push a button on your vernier calipers and they go back and forth.

Even in programming or offsetting cnc machines, there’s going to be an increment with either one that gets too fine for the machine to be able to control for, because the ball screws that move the table have that much slip in them.

The slip is non-arbitrary. The units you measure it in are arbitrary. Neither of them will put you in the position of working with whole numbers

 

[WelperHelper99]

It’s a total prejudice thing, but yeah, I aesthetically enjoy the patterns in sae conversion. 5/8ths or 10/16 is .625 and 1/16 is .0625

I think people assume metric is going to be neater because they assume things in real life are going to come out in base ten multiples. But you’re never really going to measure something that’s 10.00 mm, it’ll be 9.99 or 10.01

I know, it's far more accurate.

I'm American retard.

Couldn't tell over the metric simping

Yeah i love measuring clearances in tenthousandths of an inch instead of tenths of a millimeter. How easy and convenient!

Raw accuracy isn't always convenient

 

[SpergioLeonne]

I know, it's far more accurate.

Couldn't tell over the metric simping

Raw accuracy isn't always convenient

Dude for real, they both use decimals so you can add digits infinitely, and the likelihood of objects to align with whole number units is just.. not worth planning around.

But it IS fair to say, what metrics got to do with rotational degrees? Where’s your ten hour clock, bud?

 

[WelperHelper99]

Dude for real, they both use decimals so you can add digits infinitely, and the likelihood of objects to align with whole number units is just.. not worth planning around.

But it IS fair to say, what metrics got to do with rotational degrees? Where’s your ten hour clock, bud?

Fractions honestly help once you're in the field with them. On paper it's a mess. Not when you're measuring something with a tape measure. It makes a lot more sense doing it and not just seeing it.

 

[SpergioLeonne]

What do you mean? Listen bud, just make sure you get at least 0.765 dodecahours of sleep tonight

 

[VargReallyDidNothingWrong]

Raw accuracy isn't always convenient

There's nothing more accurate about saying "one thousand four hundred and fifty six tenthousandths of an inch" versus "point five three millimeters", they're the same measurement.

You are being deliberately obtuse, or you're actually this stupid.

There’s no functional difference. You push a button on your vernier calipers and they go back and forth.

Sure, unless you're measuring the diameter of a cylinder bore and the piston inside it and figuring out how much clearance you have, and you start adding 3.3592 inches and subtracting 3.3063 inches and working out that you have 0.0054 inches of clearance and then seeing that the manual specs 0.006 inches

The more decimal places you have to mentally keep in place and work with the more likely you are to make a stupid mistake.

The inch being the defacto smallest unit of length measurement in the Imperial system is just one of the stupid things about it but it makes a lot of jobs related to engineering harder than they have to be.

 

[eatler]

by 12's

0.765 dodecahours

0.006

Ew you guys know how to do math. I just give a 20 dollar bill to the staff and have them figure it out.

 

[WelperHelper99]

There's nothing more accurate about saying "one thousand four hundred and fifty six tenthousandths of an inch" versus "point five three millimeters", they're the same measurement.

You are being deliberately obtuse, or you're actually this stupid.

Buddy .35 mm is a rough measurement at the best of times. Fractions tell more quicker.

The inch being the defacto smallest unit of length measurement in the Imperial system is just one of the stupid things about it but it makes a lot of jobs related to engineering harder than they have to be.

I'm a welder, lol no. A inch is easy to quantify- it's half your thumb. In a pinch you can use your thumb to do some guesswork. Metric was cooked up in a lab by communists in relation to nothing IRL.

 

[Doctor Love]

I'm a welder, lol no. A inch is easy to quantify- it's half your thumb. In a pinch you can use your thumb to do some guesswork. Metric was cooked up in a lab by communists in relation to nothing IRL.

Centimeter is about the width of my littlest fingernail.

Buddy .35 mm is a rough measurement at the best of times. Fractions tell more quicker.

What exactly do you weld that .35mm isn't important?

 

[VargReallyDidNothingWrong]

Buddy .35 mm is a rough measurement at the best of times. Fractions tell more quicker.

If the thing you're measuring is 0.35mm, it's not a rough measurement - it's THE measurement. I have no idea what you're trying to say. I'm not going to measure a piston to cylinder wall gap with fractions.

I'm a welder, lol no. A inch is easy to quantify- it's half your thumb. In a pinch you can use your thumb to do some guesswork. Metric was cooked up in a lab by communists in relation to nothing IRL.

I'm starting you think you are not being deliberately obtuse, and that you genuinely are this stupid.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Centimeter is about the width of my littlest fingernail.

That's not all that useful, and you're gonna lose count pretty quickly if you're measuring with it

What exactly do you weld that .35mm isn't important?

What part of precision machined part don't you understand? It might need to fit up to 10,000th of a inch!

 

[WelperHelper99]

If the thing you're measuring is 0.35mm, it's not a rough measurement - it's THE measurement. I have no idea what you're trying to say. I'm not going to measure a piston to cylinder wall gap with fractions

You... no. You've never heard of TOLERANCES. Nothing made by humans is ever on point, and that includes their machines. You need to measure each and every part

 

[draggs]

metricfags btfo

"hurr durr i need everything divisible by 10 im very smurt hurr durr"

and then they still use calculators anyway

 

[VargReallyDidNothingWrong]

You've never heard of TOLERANCES. Nothing made by humans is ever on point, and that includes their machines. You need to measure each and every part

... I don't even know what supposed point you're trying to refute or answer anymore.

This is your brain on inches.

 

[draggs]

... I don't even know what supposed point you're trying to refute or answer anymore.

This is your brain on inches.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineering_tolerance

https://www.keyence.com/ss/products/measure-sys/measurement-selection/basic/tolerance.jsp

seems like a pretty important concept for someone to know when dealing with measurements

or when trying to sound smart on the interwebs

also "i don't understand you so you're dumb" is not a good look

 

[WelperHelper99]

... I don't even know what supposed point you're trying to refute or answer anymore.

This is your brain on inches.

That is machining. I want a more precise measurement. Metric is clunky because it assumes everything will be nice and neat at the end. That's not how life works.

 

[VargReallyDidNothingWrong]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineering_tolerance

https://www.keyence.com/ss/products/measure-sys/measurement-selection/basic/tolerance.jsp

seems like a pretty important concept for someone to know when dealing with measurements

or when trying to sound smart on the interwebs

also "i don't understand you so you're dumb" is not a good look

I know what tolerances are, the previous comments make my first hand experience with this stuff pretty clear.

Him bringing up tolerances when we're talking about which system of measurement is better makes no sense.

A metric tolerance for a part will say "0.20mm to 0.25mm" for example. A total of 0.05mm tolerance. A tolerance for the same item in Imperial would say "0.0078 inches to 0.0098 inches". Which one is easier to keep in your head?

Metric is clunky because it assumes everything will be nice and neat at the end.

If your machining isn't "nice and neat" at the end you're machining wrong lmao. Stick to eyeballing your welds to the nearest finger knuckle width or whatever it is you do.

 

[draggs]

I know what tolerances are, the previous comments make my first hand experience with this stuff pretty clear.

Him bringing up tolerances when we're talking about which system of measurement is better makes no sense.

you said that in muh metric system, .35mm is THE measurement, unlike the far superior imperial system i guess? although that isn't the case at all, both systems are equally good at fine measurements. the systems are logically consistent internally so it doesn't matter unless someone is a retard and can't handle not being able to divide by 10 one hundred percent of the time. shouldn't you know that there is always a tolerance in the measurement and there is no THE measurement? it's not .35mm, it's .35mm +- .0000025mm or whatever. that's what he was explaining to your broken metric mind and you didn't get it. many such metric cases

 

[VargReallyDidNothingWrong]

both systems are equally good at fine measurements.

Yes 0.25mm and 0.00098 inches are exactly the same in terms of being convenient to both say and write.

 

[Doctor Love]

That's not all that useful, and you're gonna lose count pretty quickly if you're measuring with it

Are you counting with your fingers?

I don't even know what supposed point you're trying to refute or answer anymore.

I think he's just being obtuse on purpose.

That is machining. I want a more precise measurement. Metric is clunky because it assumes everything will be nice and neat at the end. That's not how life works.

"Plus half a mill"