Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

If NATO is really going to send troops into Ukraine along with most likely drafting healthy and mentally well young males in their countries, then not only does this reek of fear and desperation, then it also reeks of idiocy and lack of knowledge of history.
A draft is political suicide, but Biden is dumb enough to do so. The right will refuse to fight a woke war against Russia and the Middle East. The left is already marching and rioting for Hamas because of decades of anti-white hate and propaganda backfiring on Israel and Jewish voters. Go luck drafting the left. Especially as the left becoming increasingly anti-Ukraine post Hamas attacking israel cause of whiteness.
 
This whole thing really is like watching a train wreck in slow motion the ukies are getting absolutely annihilated but in their quest to keep false hope alive they will sacrifice everything and in the end it will only be to their detriment.
This is a useful study in how propaganda and state subversion literally harm the country when it gets used as a puppet. The rhetorical plays used in media around this conflict should be identifying marks for when shits starts to glow.
 
Yes and ? what you're point ? The movie is horseshit. For one Bradley was never meant to replace the M113 It was planned from the get go as an IFV with portholes and a 20 mm turret later during development up gunned to 25 mm and other shebang


Overal the entire movie is dramatized and pretty much false historically.
The point of the movie isn’t to portray everything as historically accurate as possible.

The point of the movie is that because of Pentagon infighting and incompetence, it took decades to develop an IFV that weighs as much as tank, yet can’t fulfill the tasks it was designed to do.

It’s a shitty IFV, and it’s an even shittier tank killer, the other task it was designed to fulfill.
 
The point of the movie isn’t to portray everything as historically accurate as possible.
Yea the issue is its not even in a general sense correct, its a mediocre IFV but not for any of the reasons the movie mentions. Its not right about the design goals, any of the test report related stuff, it misses pretty much every beat.
 
Yea the issue is its not even in a general sense correct, its a mediocre IFV but not for any of the reasons the movie mentions. Its not right about the design goals, any of the test report related stuff, it misses pretty much every beat.
It was in development for over a decade, and it’s not a good IFV because of a too many cooks syndrome.

They wanted it to be great at everything, so they made an IFV that weighs as much as a tank, isn’t particularly maneuverable nor has great survival and is an easy target for tanks and ATGMs alike.
 
It was in development for over a decade, and it’s not a good IFV because of a too many cooks syndrome.

They wanted it to be great at everything, so they made an IFV that weighs as much as a tank, isn’t particularly maneuverable nor has great survival and is an easy target for tanks and ATGMs alike.
Isn't the point of an IFV is to transport troops and maybe support the groundpounders in an advance? What other things would a Bradley be supposed to do?
 
What's really interesting is that Macron is talking about this now, which suggests things are way worse than even posters on this thread imagine. I'm starting to get fall of Saigon vibes. Everyone's been assuming that the Ukraine had another year or even two before the collapse, maybe not.
This is a very good observation. We get little snippets of truth every now and then but the real truth is each side tries to portray itself in the best possible light, and leaves out details they don't want the public to know, for various reasons. Of course the Ukraine is desperate to show it can still win and Russia does the same but even as it has the AFU on the run it also withholds information, for various tactical reasons.

I'm sure there are a lot of emergency NATO meetings going on right now. There's also Poland in play, where hohol fatigue has set in and while they want a convenient place to send those refugees who have worn out their welcome they can still be pretty destabilizing even after they're shoved into Galicia and Volynia. It also doesn't rule out Russia bombing them to hell and back. Of course this all happening because things didn't go according to plan so expect more bad planning, bad decisions, dead AFU and dead mercs.

Oh, and more dead Abrams. :story:
 
Honestly not that much going on today. West of Avdeevka is turning into something big but that has more to do with Ukraine being retarded than Russia pushing especially hard.
There’s a guy on Substack who’s more right than wrong, who have pointed out something interesting.

Apparently Russians are quietly evacuating villages in the Sumy region, and the Ukrainians fear a Russian offensive here:

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And it seems that there are also reserves amassing in the Zaporizhye. And look at this map:

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Kharkov barely received any reconstruction funds, only ones to get less is Sumy and Kherson which received none.

Almost as if they’re expecting Kharkov and Sumy to be lost.

And also good news in Orel :)

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There’s a guy on Substack who’s more right than wrong, who have pointed out something interesting.

Apparently Russians are quietly evacuating villages in the Sumy region, and the Ukrainians fear a Russian offensive here:

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And it seems that there are also reserves amassing in the Zaporizhye. And look at this map:

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Kharkov barely received any reconstruction funds, only ones to get less is Sumy and Kherson which received none.

Almost as if they’re expecting Kharkov and Sumy to be lost.

And also good news in Orel :)

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Drop the name of that substack dude, sounds interesting.
 
The Russians are being cautious. The pressing we have been seeing from them has been testing to see if the ukies are about to collapse or not. The loss of Avdeevka has been a major blow for the Ukrainians. If it was a rout, as people have been saying it is, than the Russians must have thought "This is it, the Ukies are finally breaking for good, this will be over in a couple months." The Ukrainians it appears, however, haven't broken. So the Russian high command is telling everyone to slow down and not over extend themselves.
I don't think this is a permanent pause just a temporary one. Russia is doing things that suggest they would like to keep a high amount of pressure on Ukraine. There are slow shaping attacks in the North that you wouldn't do unless you planned to push there in a couple weeks or so.

Avdeevka was a route and I don't know how you could say it wasn't. The effects of how Avdeevka fell and what Ukraine had to defend after it are still being felt. There have been tremendous successes there to the point the Ukrainians might get trapped against a river if this keeps going right. Ukraine should retreat from Orlivka and stop trying to defend anything there because they can't. Now if you define a route to be a complete destruction of the Ukrainian Army I would agree with you then

I think Russia is either moving things to prepare for offensive action perhaps moving things to west of Avdeevka because they didn't expect it to be a major success or somewhere else.

It could also be something like this.
A big part of this war is controlling the space around where the fighting is occurring. Anti-air, anti-drone, artillery and a whole lot of other systems have to be place for operations to be successful. If troops get ahead of that umbrella of protection, they are really exposed in the current style of warfare and very bad things can happen. The slow methodical advance bringing everything forward at the same time is necessary.
And even if the advance seems slow, its still moving very fast for the Ukrainian side to deal with.

It could also be Russia is engaging in Bombardments with Artillery and FABs before they conduct another round of attacks. I think after writing this post that the answer is probably a combo of what Strix said and Russia conducting a round of Bombardment. There do seem to be an excessive amount of drone videos and strike videos of things like Ukrainian armored vehicles artillery, and infantry positions.


My mention of this got deleted because I was browsing bits if the thread and I didn't realize.

This seems like more saber rattling over Transnistria. Ukraine/Moldavia isn't actually going to invade for the obvious reasons but this is a sign of desperation. You don't do things like this unless things are really bad. Think of it kind of like your body giving you a fever when you are really sick.
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There’s a guy on Substack who’s more right than wrong, who have pointed out something interesting.

Apparently Russians are quietly evacuating villages in the Sumy region, and the Ukrainians fear a Russian offensive here:
I was going to say it was possible but right as I was writing this post I saw this tweet. I think Further Escalation somewhat soon is very likely. If the reports about Crimea are true, the reports of stuff happening in Sumy and this ban of export of fuels suggests it heavily that Russia is about to escalate even further. This makes sense because Russia smells blood.

This guy being a actually useful Finance guy has his finger on the pulse and knows how to predict things based off of little things like fuel exports being banned.
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Fiala would sent troops if he could. But even someone as retarded as he is understands this three things.
A) We sent pretty much all of our military equipment to Ukraine long time ago. So our troops would have pretty much nothing.
B) As much as he and state media like to pretend everyone who does not agree with him is Russian agent and desolate.
He is already dealing with antigoverment protests every few weeks. Now add to the mix Czech soldiers being blown by Russian artillery. And you have recipe for disaster.
C) His goverment is made of 5 out of 7 parties in parliment. And despite that he does not have overwhelming majority.
So if he drag us into unpopular war . It is going to be political suicide of not only his party, but of entire post cold war establishment.
 
And also good news in Orel :)
That's from last year, like early summer.

fuel exports being banned
I like to look at things like that too. Not really a coincidence when the US military can't meet its goals then suddenly the gates at the borders are flung wide open and illegals are promised citizenship in exchange for agreeing to become 21st century foederati. Not really the smartest move for the world's number one superpower whose hegemon is under attack but oh well.

Anyone who believes the US won't eventually enact a draft and field troops in Europe is being extremely optimistic-and naive.
 
Drop the name of that substack dude, sounds interesting.
Simplicius Garden of Knowledge.

He’s also on Twitter and his Substack follows are gold.

Meanwhile, more Ukrop panicking:

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At least he put his eye where his mouth is, but jeez dude. Just get an eyepatch already.

It’s almost just as effective if you want to show randos what you gave for the Reich, but without running around with what looks like vagina on your face.

And don’t worry Ukrop… I’m sure Russia lets you keep some. Maybe Lvov and Ivano Frankivsk? Kiev is an ancient Russian city after all.
 
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Ukraine/Moldavia isn't actually going to invade for the obvious reasons but this is a sign of desperation.
I am withdrawing this claim. Not even saying it will happen and I still think it is more likely that it won't happen but I see a flurry of statements by France about sending troops to Ukraine and I can no longer say for sure that it won't. It has crossed that horizon in my mind.
 
Lurkers from the other thread don't @ me. I am raring for some action right now, basically I go to work and when I come home I'm thinking about the SMO non-stop. This cannot be healthy. I need ukrops getting routed as much as I need my morning cigarette. My conscience tells me that I should continue praying for the Ukrainians even though I don't support them but deep down...

My endless gaping maw hungers for THD

I've gone to see a Russian Orthodox priest to ask about the war and his advice is to pray, and to understand that Ukrainians and Russians are ultimately brothers and that eventually this too shall pass. Our bishop is from Odessa even, so it makes me feel extra bad. It's like having a sick fetish you know is wrong but you keep entertaining it because it's exhilarating. How do I stop wanting THD?
 
Lurkers from the other thread don't @ me. I am raring for some action right now, basically I go to work and when I come home I'm thinking about the SMO non-stop. This cannot be healthy. I need ukrops getting routed as much as I need my morning cigarette. My conscience tells me that I should continue praying for the Ukrainians even though I don't support them but deep down...

My endless gaping maw hungers for THD

I've gone to see a Russian Orthodox priest to ask about the war and his advice is to pray, and to understand that Ukrainians and Russians are ultimately brothers and that eventually this too shall pass. Our bishop is from Odessa even, so it makes me feel extra bad. It's like having a sick fetish you know is wrong but you keep entertaining it because it's exhilarating. How do I stop wanting THD?
Can you shut the fuck up please, reading this shit is extremely gay. You're some random chink faggot from the other side of the planet, this conflict doesn't affect you, nobody cares about your engorged gore boner.

You've added nothing to this thread in any of your posts, you're just a slant eyed cheerleader making everyone here look worse by association with your bloodthirsty posts.

The comment about bloodthirstiness applies to a few other people in here too. Nothing worse than seeing the equivalent of the ghouls in the Pro-Uke thread behave the same way in here happily gravedancing every time some poor conscript gets fucking clapped. Most of these dudes didn't do anything to deserve being blown to bits. Azov shitheads and western mercs aside.
 
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