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You don't think it's because the majority of EJ's viewers are sick of hearing him ramble on about rippaverse shit?

I'm sure that's part of it. But I have doubts that the drop would be that big for just that. He's also moved away from Monetize Your Haters so I suppose he may have lost viewership for that too. There could be other things he's done or changed that caused a viewership drop. But I don't care enough to try and figure it out. Particularly since I will still think the biggest hit was the initial Isom launch.

But who knows. It's possible the stuff he talks about is no longer interesting to people.


Tracing is one thing but Cliff Richards used 3d models without even adding any of his own art to it. That's the problem. Alex Ross takes his own photos and makes figures for reference. He doesn't trace. Artists will trace backgrounds but again they will add to it with their own art. Most people consider Greg a joke. It's frowned upon.

Well, now that Caanan is the art director or whatever his title is, maybe Cliff will get better. Probably not with Isom 3, but whatever else he does for Eric.
 
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Tracing is one thing but Cliff Richards used 3d models without even adding any of his own art to it. That's the problem. Alex Ross takes his own photos and makes figures for reference. He doesn't trace. Artists will trace backgrounds but again they will add to it with their own art. Most people consider Greg a joke. It's frowned upon.
is there actually any reason why 3d models is not allowed to be traced? is there supposed to be a law against it or something? if tracing is frowned upon, why does Greg Land, Rob Liefield and many other artists keeps getting work? Is EVS actually kicked out because he admitted that he traces for his art?

If tracing is bad, why is tracing the most popular way to learn how to draw?

or its just because it hurts your tiny peepee feelings or you are so braindead that you can only repeat EVS talking points?
 
is there actually any reason why 3d models is not allowed to be traced? is there supposed to be a law against it or something? if tracing is frowned upon, why does Greg Land, Rob Liefield and many other artists keeps getting work? Is EVS actually kicked out because he admitted that he traces for his art?

If tracing is bad, why is tracing the most popular way to learn how to draw?

or its just because it hurts your tiny peepee feelings or you are so braindead that you can only repeat EVS talking points?

I think a lot of it is just ego. You have people that have been writing or drawing for years and struggle to get $10,000, $50,000, and so on, on a crowdfund. And then you have this guy that maybe for some seemingly comes out of nowhere, decides to do a comic with 3d assets (gasp!) and pulls in $3.5 million. He didn't pay his dues. Crap like that. Sometimes I wonder how things would be if the comic did ~$500,000 - $1 million. Which was probably a more expected figure at the time. But the thing just kept going up and up.

Could the art be better? Sure. Does it matter that the art is the way it is? Some apparently think so. But I think a lot of it is just trying to find something to attack him with. Perhaps in some ways it's worked since he hired Caanan White to help with the art aspect so whatever issues people have with the art that probably weren't buying the comics anyways will probably have to find something else to latch onto.
 
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I think a lot of it is just ego. You have people that have been writing or drawing for years and struggle to get $10,000, $50,000, and so on, on a crowdfund. And then you have this guy that maybe for some seemingly comes out of nowhere, decides to do a comic with 3d assets (gasp!) and pulls in $3.5 million. He didn't pay his dues. Crap like that. Sometimes I wonder how things would react to the comic (writing, art, etc.) if he did ~$500,000 - $1 million. Which was probably a more expected figure at the time. But the thing just kept going up and up.

Coud the art be better? Sure. Does it matter that the art is the way it is? Some apparently think so. But I think a lot of it is just trying to find something to attack him with. Perhaps in some ways it's worked since he hired Caanan White to help with the art aspect so whatever issues people have with the art that probably weren't buying the comics anyways will probably have to find something else to latch onto.
It's not that July didn't pay his dues it's that he didn't involve EVS in a way that he could later claim credit. In fact he actively rejected EVS' advice. Then when he blew away EVS' numbers and then had the nerve to deliver the product on time it made a complete fool out of him.
 
I think a lot of it is just ego. You have people that have been writing or drawing for years and struggle to get $10,000, $50,000, and so on, on a crowdfund. And then you have this guy that maybe for some seemingly comes out of nowhere, decides to do a comic with 3d assets (gasp!) and pulls in $3.5 million. He didn't pay his dues. Crap like that. Sometimes I wonder how things would be if the comic did ~$500,000 - $1 million. Which was probably a more expected figure at the time. But the thing just kept going up and up.

Coud the art be better? Sure. Does it matter that the art is the way it is? Some apparently think so. But I think a lot of it is just trying to find something to attack him with. Perhaps in some ways it's worked since he hired Caanan White to help with the art aspect so whatever issues people have with the art that probably weren't buying the comics anyways will probably have to find something else to latch onto.
so in the end, its just like 4chan /ic/ faggots who keep telling each other to grind loomis and tracing doesnt make you better

then there's Ilya Kushinov who is a filthy faggot tracer that was hired to do Ghost in the Shell SAC 2045.

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I think a lot of it is just ego. You have people that have been writing or drawing for years and struggle to get $10,000, $50,000, and so on, on a crowdfund. And then you have this guy that maybe for some seemingly comes out of nowhere, decides to do a comic with 3d assets (gasp!) and pulls in $3.5 million. He didn't pay his dues. Crap like that. Sometimes I wonder how things would be if the comic did ~$500,000 - $1 million. Which was probably a more expected figure at the time. But the thing just kept going up and up.

Coud the art be better? Sure. Does it matter that the art is the way it is? Some apparently think so. But I think a lot of it is just trying to find something to attack him with. Perhaps in some ways it's worked since he hired Caanan White to help with the art aspect so whatever issues people have with the art that probably weren't buying the comics anyways will probably have to find something else t,o latch onto.
This is exactly what this is about and nothing else. Pure ego and jealousy. EVS bitched for years about being a wage slave for DC for decades, and how now he's so thrilled to be in business for himself. He feels that only people like him, people who were in the trenches as corporate artists, deserve any respect or recognition. That's the whole reason why he created Comics Gate Kings, to elevate people who were industry professionals to elite status.

The idea of some young guy in his 30s with no prior industry experience, a guy who didn't have to start from the very bottom grinding away for nothing is not just hitting it big, but eclipsing his success infuriates him to no end. That's why EVS has gone full spurg. He's so consumed by rage, jealousy, and envy that some young punk stole his ComicsGate King crown, that he'll do everything in his power to destroy EJ. He'll use every argument no matter how stupid or unreasonable to accomplish this.
 
Does it matter that the art is the way it is?
ISOM's art doesn't suck because it's using stock 3D assets, it sucks because it's using it the laziest way possible. I don't even remember when was the last time a shoujo mangaka actually drew a peice of modern flowery/striped clothing or a modern bulding without just slapping some filters on a picture, but nobody cares, myself included. Generally nobody cares how what's on the paper got on the paper as long what's on there is good. A $35 book should have had more effort put into it, but the art was just part of the problem with that book.
 
That's totally fine. People should be free to like or dislike anybody. I like some streamers that people here hate, but I'm not here to simp or white knight for anybody.

The major difference between streamers like the FNT people or the Drinker and guys like EVS is that the former are up front about who they are and what they offer while the latter are hypocritical frauds and people who offer false promises of goods and services they take money for but do not deliver as promised. The later are also narcissistic clowns.

With FNT/Drinker what you see is what you get. You either enjoy their streams or you don't. You either agree with some of their opinions or you don't. But there's no fraud or false promises involved. You can superchat or buy merch if you want, but it's not required. The vast majority of what they have to offer is free.
This was a major difference in the past, but it's becoming less of a difference by the day.

You can't really say these guys are just 'offering opinions' anymore when they're getting on their pulpits to declare that Isom #1 will be the greatest comic ever made and that it will 'destroy Marvel and Star Wars.' These are claims that can be held up to objective reality, and believe it or not some of the FNT viewers being asked to back these works will take such statements at face value and start to question these guys' 'opinions' when their promises don't materialize. Just at look at what happened with Comicsgate. And this was back in 2022.


Why, just last week Drinker and Methrotic were the stars of a 45 minute documentary how Hollywood is over and how they and the Fellowship have become the culture now. Surely just an opinion, and definitely something two non-narcissistic clowns would say about themseves. Not even getting into the Gina Carano lolsuit they're championing either, which will one day actually be presented in a court of law.

This isn't the first time these guys have begun to believe their own hype. We all remember when Gary's old streaming buddy Doomcock deluded himself (with the help of 4chan copypasta) into thinking he was the protagonist in V from Vendetta and that Bob Iger was punching the conference table yelling "Curse you Doomcock!", which ended with the rest of FNT putting him down like Old Yeller lest the fat masked sped take them all down with him. Life has humbled Gary more than most, and this has kept him grounded long after most of his peers have fallen off the deep end, but he looks to be getting high off his own supply. Agane.

Another problem is (after two decades years of total global cultural dominance) the MCU franchise is starting to decline, which means there's less of a market for the MCU-critical content Nerdrotic has built his little hatewatching empire on for the past 3 years. "Madame Web being woke" just doesn't get the same click as "the Avengers are woke." So his audience is becoming less engaged, being fed with increasingly incredulous snakeoil and, I suspect, some of them are open to alternatives.

Fortunately for these hundreds (possibly thousands) of lost fandom menace paypigs, a lone hero has bounded over the hill at dawn, a human sunbeam if you will, who has what they need: dozens of indie creators offering an alternative to mainstream culture, long, 6-hour+ daily efaps, hanging out with 'the' Shane Davis, vinyl car wraps for a bisexual furry manlet driving the world's slowest car, Vito, and a fat retard who sells photos of himself having sex with Diddler Dax's freeuse autistic woman-child on the internet. At his side are his most powerful obsequeious toadies, who will no doubt usher in the new age of IBS when they stop cowering from Matt Bahr. Some say this is only a temporary thing that will only last until Nerdrotic swallows his pride, touches grass, and tweaks his show to be more current and less shit, but such doubters have no place for the new world that doubtlessly awaits.
 
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You can't really say these guys are just 'offering opinions' anymore when they're getting on their pulpits to declare that Isom #1 will be the greatest comic ever made and that it will 'destroy Marvel and Star Wars.' These are claims that can be held up to objective reality, and believe it or not some of the FNT viewers will take such statements at face value and start to question these guys' 'opinions' when their promises don't materialize.
Like I said, I'm not here to white knight for anyone. I'm not saying these guys are perfect or that they can't be wrong or have stupid opinions. But I don't see how this demonstrates that they aren't just offering opinions instead of false promises? If it seems narcissistic, then people will have to judge for themselves. And yeah, some of these guys might flame out or go down a dark lolcow path like Doomcock and Rickets did. We'll see. The Farms will be here to document it all, no matter what comes.
 
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is there actually any reason why 3d models is not allowed to be traced? is there supposed to be a law against it or something? if tracing is frowned upon, why does Greg Land, Rob Liefield and many other artists keeps getting work? Is EVS actually kicked out because he admitted that he traces for his art?

If tracing is bad, why is tracing the most popular way to learn how to draw?

or its just because it hurts your tiny peepee feelings or you are so braindead that you can only repeat EVS talking points?
I didn't say they aren't allowed to be traced bit if you're gonna use them add your art on top of them or they're gonna look like shit like Isom does. What does Liefeld trace? He still can't get his anatomy right.
 
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I'm sure that's part of it. But I have doubts that the drop would be that big for just that. He's also moved away from Monetize Your Haters so I suppose he may have lost viewership for that too. There could be other things he's done or changed that caused a viewership drop. But I don't care enough to try and figure it out. Particularly since I will still think the biggest hit was the initial Isom launch.

But who knows. It's possible the stuff he talks about is no longer interesting to people.




Well, now that Caanan is the art director or whatever his title is, maybe Cliff will get better. Probably not with Isom 3, but whatever else he does for Eric.
Cliff can't draw. He should've fired him and just got Canaan to do the art.
 
Why, just last week Drinker and Methrotic were the stars of a 45 minute documentary how Hollywood is over and how they and the Fellowship have become the culture now. Surely just an opinion, and definitely something two non-narcissistic clowns would say about themseves. Not even getting into the Gina Carano lolsuit they're championing either, which will one day actually be presented in a court of law.

Is it possible they didn't talk about the lawsuit because this was filmed prior to it going public? I think I recall Gina posting about the lawsuit a few days after the convention. And this was most likely filmed while the convention was still going on.

You're probably right about the other stuff. While I do listen to FNT, it's usually while I'm doing other stuff so I'm sure I miss stuff here and there. More background noise at this point basically. And will just roll my eyes when someone starts sperging out at someone else over something. You're grown men, guys. Most of you have kids. Bloody hell.
 
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I didn't say they aren't allowed to be traced bit if you're gonna use them add your art on top of them or they're gonna look like shit like Isom does. What does Liefeld trace? He still can't get his anatomy right.
I would actually say, Liefield is a pretty good tracer. he traced scharwegnigger for every buff man he does

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so, what did Isom trace? is there proof of it? or just bloviating? is there something wrong with tracing it? is tracing a car/table/background objects bad? is there an artist can draw a car down to the minute detail without reference? whats wrong with tracing a car? are you expecting an artist to trace a car and turn it to a spaceship?
 
I would actually say, Liefield is a pretty good tracer. he traced scharwegnigger for every buff man he does

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so, what did Isom trace? is there proof of it? or just bloviating? is there something wrong with tracing it? is tracing a car/table/background objects bad? is there an artist can draw a car down to the minute detail without reference? whats wrong with tracing a car? are you expecting an artist to trace a car and turn it to a spaceship?
Liefeld didn't trace that. He used it for reference but he sucks at anatomy he even talked about it. There is tons of proof Cliff didn't draw anything and used 3d models for the whole thing. If you're on twitter Lathan Devers found all of the models he used. The reason most people collect comics is because each artist has their own style and they'll buy a comic that person draws. 3D models have no life to them and no energy. What's the point on spending all that money on something stiff and lifeless that was just plopped on a page from a computer?
 
Liefeld put out his best efforts on New Mutants and the first few issues of X-Force but by the time he hit Image, it became a fun drinking game whether he would even bother to draw lines for pants. And it must be said, everyone had deformed feet. I have to thank him though for his late stage circus freak fetish. The first time I saw someone remove the shield from Captain America in order to show us the true dimension of the anti-talent Rob had been harboring his entire career, I couldn't stop laughing for 15 minutes. I need someone in CG to make me feel alive like that again.
 
Liefeld didn't trace that. He used it for reference but he sucks at anatomy he even talked about it. There is tons of proof Cliff didn't draw anything and used 3d models for the whole thing. If you're on twitter Lathan Devers found all of the models he used. The reason most people collect comics is because each artist has their own style and they'll buy a comic that person draws. 3D models have no life to them and no energy. What's the point on spending all that money on something stiff and lifeless that was just plopped on a page from a computer?
Liefield admitted that he traced it fully.

Are you the arbiter of what is good and bad in comics? Are you the arbiter if the comics has "soul" or "energy" in comics? how do you quantify life and energy in comic art? what happens if the characters are drawn and the backgrounds are digital backgrounds, is it 75% life? what happens if characters are traced, is it 1% life? what happens if the art is shitty but not traced, is it 50% life because at that point he should have used reference. what happens if everything is traced, is it no life? also post proofs of the 3d models ISOM used being traced here, if you don't you're just pontificating baseless accusations.

also this is how you sound:
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only retards and speculators (oh wait they're the same thing) collects comic books because they like the art. all your bloviating is just subjective. who cares if the art, story is bad? who cares if its traced. if someone pays for it and enjoys reading it, why the fuck is it your business?

also, there are manga with very "bad art" yet beloved by people, for example Shingeki no Kyoujin

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yes the artist started the comics just like One (onepunch man).

also let's not forget how shitty EVS is at drawing and really at this point, needed tracing more than the ISOM artist
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Liefield admitted that he traced it fully.

Are you the arbiter of what is good and bad in comics? Are you the arbiter if the comics has "soul" or "energy" in comics? how do you quantify life and energy in comic art? what happens if the characters are drawn and the backgrounds are digital backgrounds, is it 75% life? what happens if characters are traced, is it 1% life? what happens if the art is shitty but not traced, is it 50% life because at that point he should have used reference. what happens if everything is traced, is it no life? also post proofs of the 3d models ISOM used being traced here, if you don't you're just pontificating baseless accusations.

also this is how you sound:
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only retards and speculators (oh wait they're the same thing) collects comic books because they like the art. all your bloviating is just subjective. who cares if the art, story is bad? who cares if its traced. if someone pays for it and enjoys reading it, why the fuck is it your business?

also, there are manga with very "bad art" yet beloved by people, for example Shingeki no Kyoujin

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yes the artist started the comics just like One (onepunch man).

also let's not forget how shitty EVS is at drawing and really at this point, needed tracing more than the ISOM artist
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I guess I'm just not a true high-art connoisseur like most of comicsgate fawning over scribbles on newsprint but I fail to see the difference between tracing a 3d model of table in the background and whatever this all-digital stuff is:

Narwhal is supposedly a prodigy too. The next savior of comics. F'n weirdos.
 
Is it possible they didn't talk about the lawsuit because this was filmed prior to it going public? I think I recall Gina posting about the lawsuit a few days after the convention. And this was most likely filmed while the convention was still going on.

You're probably right about the other stuff. While I do listen to FNT, it's usually while I'm doing other stuff so I'm sure I miss stuff here and there. More background noise at this point basically. And will just roll my eyes when someone starts sperging out at someone else over something. You're grown men, guys. Most of you have kids. Bloody hell.
Nerdrotic isn't promising things to viewers and disregarding deadlines but let's not get it twisted: his whole business is taking received information and framing it into what he thinks his audience wants to hear, like any other youtube grifter. If what he's saying is true, no harm no foul. It's when what he's saying starts to no longer correlate with objective reality that the risks start to set in. The minor risk is that you might alienate your audience on account of being wrong. The major risk is when you start to convince yourself of your own bullshit, which is when you take your first steps on the road to becoming a lolcow.

still don't get why tracing is a bad. Rob Leifeld does it, Alex Ross does it, multiple artists does it. even my favorite hentai artist shimimaru does it, even Kentaro Yabuki endorses to use the body chan Yabuki version for reference/tracing.

is it because all these comicsgater loves the taste of EVS dick in their mouth and continue to suck on it and repeat his retarded talking points?

edit: oh yeah Greg Land does trace the porn face expressions for his females lol
- claim isom's art is good, wonder why people mock it
- compare it to liefeld and land, two guys who's art has been a running joke for decades
really makes you think

I guess I'm just not a true high-art connoisseur like most of comicsgate fawning over scribbles on newsprint but I fail to see the difference between tracing a 3d model of table in the background and whatever this all-digital stuff is:
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I mean he livestreamed himself developing the shitty 3d models he traced his comics over, which leads to an interesting question: do you get credit for making your own 3d models even if they look like ass compared to the stock ones Cliff Richards downloaded?
 
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Sorry, but you'll never be able to convince me to give a shit about if a car in the background, foreground, midground, up your ass, in space, anywhere is traced. Does Ethan get brownie points for drawing everything he does by hand? He gets a heart-felt "cool, good for him" from me. Where does a guy like Ethan lose points?

- Spending most of the day streaming, bitching about some other retard who did better than him on campaign
- Not delivering his fucking projects in a timely manner
- Writing being mid-level and then putting on a smug face saying another creator he doesn't like should be ridiculed for their mid-level writing
- Using the money he got from crowd-funding his products on anything other than keeping his business running smoothly in order to fulfill the prior points.

If Eric's spending on manpower gets him bankrupt, so be it, but why does it fucking matter to Ethan? If his artist traced a car or a table, who actually, honestly, truly gives a flying fuck? If Eric went on twitter and blocked retards from constantly asking him about shit they don't actually care about... again, why does anyone actually fucking care? If it matters at all to anyone who was previously a happy consoomer of Eric's shit, then they will tell him with their wallets like good CG followers. That was, to my understanding, the whole fucking point.

You beat a guy like Eric by sitting back and letting either his fans or him run out of money first, why does Ethan, Vedo, Juju or anyone of his little froggots HAVE to go on this holy mission to fuck with Eric while neglecting their own work?

Because no matter what, they will keep sucking down his shit, not because they actually care.
 
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