Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

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Fapcop said:
Something I’ve been wondering about btw: Given that the drones for the most part come from China, what are the odds of Russia quietly and under the table are being fed the kind of information that the manufacturers would have about the drones? Information that would come in very handy for jamming?
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I dont know what militarized drones use for guidance, protocals or frequencies. I get the impression that most of them are just commercial drones and are opperating on standard wifi or cellular. In which case the same bits that it is using to communicate with its opperator can be sourced to make jammers very cheaply. Or suicide drones that just fly towards control signals. In my realm of pure imagination I will speculate that real military drones would frequency hop around on some exotic parts of the spectrum and you'd need to do more than have the power to fuck with your neighbor's wifi to disrupt it. And if the US or Europe made drone comunications chips in China, they should just throw them all away.
 
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Tamerlane said:
I dont know what militarized drones use for guidance, protocals or frequencies. I get the impression that most of them are just commercial drones and are opperating on standard wifi or cellular. In which case the same bits that it is using to communicate with its opperator can be sourced to make jammers very cheaply. Or suicide drones that just fly towards control signals. In my realm of pure imagination I will speculate that real military drones would frequency hop around on some exotic parts of the spectrum and you'd need to do more than have the power to fuck with your neighbor's wifi to disrupt it. And if the US or Europe made drone comunications chips in China, they should just throw them all away.
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Drones don't need any communications whatsoever for guidance once launched any more. They can follow coordinates from maps uploaded to the drone before flight to follow calculated waypoints or even by following terrain with an on-board camera. Far from science-fiction this is trivial to do now.

This was even demonstrated last week at a tech hacking camp in 24 hours with less than $500 in gear:



The real-time comms link is still useful for FPV loitering missions taking out targets of opportunity.
 
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Tamerlane said:
I dont know what militarized drones use for guidance, protocals or frequencies. I get the impression that most of them are just commercial drones and are opperating on standard wifi or cellular. In which case the same bits that it is using to communicate with its opperator can be sourced to make jammers very cheaply. Or suicide drones that just fly towards control signals. In my realm of pure imagination I will speculate that real military drones would frequency hop around on some exotic parts of the spectrum and you'd need to do more than have the power to fuck with your neighbor's wifi to disrupt it. And if the US or Europe made drone comunications chips in China, they should just throw them all away.
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The thing about jamming is you don't really need to know *what* part of the spectrum they're on, and they're actually limited by whatever's talking to them to avoid jamming. You can pretty much take anything that isn't your own radio bandwidth, and just blast it with static. All you need to do is pump enough energy into the air that anything nearby hears your jammer and its nonsense louder than it hears whatever signal its trying to receive - And that signal is only as strong as the control unit transmitting it.

And as the drone gets farther away from the control unit, signal strength drops off rapidly, and as it gets closer to the jammer, the jammers strength goes up. When you're mostly looking to jam recon flights and grenade droppers you really don't need much, as the operators are far away or the drone needs to get very close, respectively.

The jammer doesn't actually need to do anything about the drones return signal, not can it really. As long as the drone can't receive, its harmless unless its already been preprogrammed with a path/mission like the suicide fixed wings. Quads will either just hover until they get control back/run outta juice, or go into a failsafe mode and do a managed descent for a landing.

geckogoy said:
I think zaihan is an idiot and possibly a jew
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Zaihan's an interesting one - When it comes to Western politics in the short term, he's absolutely fucking braindead, can't see past his own biases in the slightest. When it comes to economic geopolitics on the medium to long scale, he's genuinely really good at his job. So as soon as he starts talking about any existing administrations current actions, just check out mentally. The only reason he's zoned in on the whole Russian territorial security thing is that its been known for 50 years, and Russia hasn't pretended otherwise when it inherited those security issues in the collapse of the USSR.

Basically he's great when he stays in his lane.
 
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oh no its pipkun said:
Am I crazy or would a Ukrainian surrender lead to global economic prosperity? The sanctions stop, cheap oil and grain flows across the world, prices go down, we stop spending money on retarded slavs, we recover. right?
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Well… I think gas prices might come down. Putin may throw Europe a bone if they drop sanctions. We still have stuff Russia needs. Not much but some. If they can get a little cheaper without Kazakhstan or India making a profit, so be it.

But as for oil? Doubt it’ll come down that much. Saudi Arabia and Russia have never been particularly close.

The Saudis was the spigot that the US could order to open, when prices got too high.

Now? With Russia, Saudi Arabia, Iran, the Emirates and Venezuela working closely together, in or outside BRICS, they can coordinate prices like never before. And they all have an interest in high prices.
 
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Aside from being big on the oil/gas industry and shitting on any attempt at countries pivoting away from oil/gas. He seems to put lots of stock it states that don't actually seem to be doing very well I'm curious as to what other biases Zaihan has. For the record I'm not American so I could be completely wrong in my examination of him.
 
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Fapcop said:
what are the odds of Russia quietly and under the table are being fed the kind of information that the manufacturers would have about the drones?
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The probability is exactly 1.0

The question is, do they need it?
According to turbo-NAFO, russian army consists entirely of homeless people, drug addicts and prisoners. No one has any training and they all use soviet weapons and tactics from ww2.

And still, they are winning hard.
If they switch their army to use real soldier and weapons and tactics from the current decade, how much harder would hey be winning?

(this is sarcasm but trying to point out "russian army is 100% hobos and alcoholic cripples" is not the win you think it is, they are still winning.)
 
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Napoleon III said:
I don't think the west/NATO would consciously do something that would result in war. But this is such a big deal to them I could imagine themselves sleep-walking into this. They really care about Ukraine and they might start to act really Irrationally when things really go badly
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Friendly reminder that nobody wanted to start WW 1 either.

Or WW2 for that matter.

And with the retards currently in charge, it’s frankly a wonder that we aren’t scrounging for canned food in a nuclear wasteland already.
 
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Fapcop said:
Friendly reminder that nobody wanted to start WW 1 either.

Or WW2 for that matter.

And with the retards currently in charge, it’s frankly a wonder that we aren’t scrounging for canned food in a nuclear wasteland already.
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Well Russia and China obviously don't want a WW3 but the western powers are very fucking eager to start shooting nukes and have been barking endlessly since the war began.
So my guess here is that once US congress no longer wants to start WW3 that's exactly when it'll start
 
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SaidNoOneEver said:
Drones don't need any communications whatsoever for guidance once launched any more. They can follow coordinates from maps uploaded to the drone before flight to follow calculated waypoints or even by following terrain with an on-board camera. Far from science-fiction this is trivial to do now.

This was even demonstrated last week at a tech hacking camp in 24 hours with less than $500 in gear:



The real-time comms link is still useful for FPV loitering missions taking out targets of opportunity.
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Well yeah, but the drones most useful for warfare are the ones that NEED a real time comm link. Reconnaissance drones and grenade drop drones.

Nobody is using commercial drones for kamikaze bombings (unless occasionally desperate Ukrops possibly) they don’t carry enough explosives.

Interesting!

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Tumbo II said:
What is Peter Zaihan going to do when all his predictions of Russia losing in Ukraine go up in smoke. I suppose what I'm really asking is how hard is he going to cope? For the record I really enjoy his stuff but his takes on Ukraine are pants on head retarded.
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My impression is that all his hot takes about Ukraine and the conflict just come from following the mainstream media. He doesn't really do any research or analysis to speak of. He often lacks even a point of view of his own. He mostly seems to read the New York Times every morning and simply present a narrative based on whatever it is saying.

When he is proved wrong, he just moves to wherever the mainstream media narrative has moved. If all his predictions go up in smoke about Ukraine, he is going to simply shift to whatever narrative the primary media sources shift to.
 
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