Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Something I’ve been wondering about btw: Given that the drones for the most part come from China, what are the odds of Russia quietly and under the table are being fed the kind of information that the manufacturers would have about the drones? Information that would come in very handy for jamming?
Infinite. The chances are infinite.
 
might be a stupid question but is the steering wheel on the head of the tornado-S meant to control the missile midflight if a target changed its direction in which do other missiles have such a feature?
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Edit: I have this notion of overestimating an adversary's technology like poland getting 250 m1a2 sepv3s and I have the assumption that these tanks Trophy systems would work against ATGMs, RPGs, and maybe drones (drones might have a lower radar signal)
The fins on the front of the missile can be used for course correction. Not sure if it's enough to engage a moving target but definitely enough for GLONASS guidance.

Not sure if Poland bought Trophy for it's Abrams.


If it did, Trophy is good against ATGMs, RPGs, and maybe drones coming in at certain angles. I don't think Trophy can engage a diving target as the explosive "spray" it shoots out doesn't seem to be able to orient vertically much of at all.


Iron Fist, LEDS-150, and similar systems can engage targets coming down at it and it seems they can orient the interceptor launcher vertically




The point of the movie isn’t to portray everything as historically accurate as possible.

The point of the movie is that because of Pentagon infighting and incompetence, it took decades to develop an IFV that weighs as much as tank, yet can’t fulfill the tasks it was designed to do.

It’s a shitty IFV, and it’s an even shittier tank killer, the other task it was designed to fulfill.
The Bradley kills tanks well enough, provided it has enough TOWs or it gets on the flank or rear of a tank and has AP shells.


Col Burton was out of his fucking mind and was basically forced out of the military after his shenanigans with the Bradley.
Yea the issue is its not even in a general sense correct, its a mediocre IFV but not for any of the reasons the movie mentions. Its not right about the design goals, any of the test report related stuff, it misses pretty much every beat.
I'd say it's a B+ IFV. Not perfect and honestly should have been replaced 5-10 years ago but the US Army wants something "revolutionary" and not "a newer IFV that has better protection, armament and carries a bit more"


The alleged replacement in the OMFV program is idiotic and will probably end up cancelled along with it's ridiculous 50mm canon (imagine only having 50-60 shots TOTAL for your IFV main armament)
Isn't the point of an IFV is to transport troops and maybe support the groundpounders in an advance? What other things would a Bradley be supposed to do?
It's a solid B+ IFV. It's been upgraded continually and the newest M2A4 model gave it a better engine, transmission, and suspension to restore mobility lost to continual armor upgrades.


That said it carries 7 troops max vs 8 or more in other western IFVs like the CV-90 (very good especially in the Mk3 and 4 models) and the brand new KF-41 Lynx.


Western IFVs are heavier due to heavier armor, slightly more troops carried and more interior space.
Fiala would sent troops if he could. But even someone as retarded as he is understands this three things.
A) We sent pretty much all of our military equipment to Ukraine long time ago. So our troops would have pretty much nothing.
B) As much as he and state media like to pretend everyone who does not agree with him is Russian agent and desolate.
He is already dealing with antigoverment protests every few weeks. Now add to the mix Czech soldiers being blown by Russian artillery. And you have recipe for disaster.
C) His goverment is made of 5 out of 7 parties in parliment. And despite that he does not have overwhelming majority.
So if he drag us into unpopular war . It is going to be political suicide of not only his party, but of entire post cold war establishment.
Seriously, the Czech government is super pro war at the moment, to the point of making their own military nearly useless due to a lack of artillery, shells and AFVs.


They're trying to buy more but apart from the Czech air force and the addition of a few free UH-1Y (2) and AH-1Zs (6 more) to add to their little order of 8 and 4 (holy shit FOUR attack helicopters for your entire military) , the rest of the Czech military seems starved for equipment for the next few years.
I can already imagine the bidding war when the Pentagon announces drone jamming contract that’ll cost billions of dollars and take three years.
The Marines already use a little buggy with a radar and jamming antenna




The radar can be mounted on JLTVs and other things.
 
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Something I’ve been wondering about btw: Given that the drones for the most part come from China, what are the odds of Russia quietly and under the table are being fed the kind of information that the manufacturers would have about the drones? Information that would come in very handy for jamming?
This is already public information. Just about every single drone controller but DJIs and Xiaomi’s use open source software and well established microcontrollers. Same for the TX/RX, the standards are public precisely because they want some degree of interoperability.
 
The only country to support Macron in the aftermath was Lithuania.

Germany, Poland, the Czechs, Sweden, UK and even NATO itself have rejected the idea.

Macron did what he does best. He made a fool of himself.
Honestly, this was probably just a test balloon on Dommy Mommy Macron's part. Say what you like about the French, they have a pretty solid track record when it comes to cynical self-interest.
 
The only country to support Macron in the aftermath was Lithuania.

Germany, Poland, the Czechs, Sweden, UK and even NATO itself have rejected the idea.

Macron did what he does best. He made a fool of himself.
Like most manlets Macron just says things to get people to remember he's still here and like most manlets people just tolerate his existence because the law says they have to.

Yeah everyone is really afraid of him and his pedophile geriatric wife.
 
Am I crazy or would a Ukrainian surrender lead to global economic prosperity? The sanctions stop, cheap oil and grain flows across the world, prices go down, we stop spending money on retarded slavs, we recover. right?
the prices only go up.
When oil price goes up everything gets more expensive because ofc everything needs to be transported and needs power but when the price of oil goes down the prices remain at that increased level, oil goes up and they raise prices again, rinse and repeat.
 
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History Legends debunks the claim that Russia is using human wave tactics

Most if not all of the historical claims of "human wave" attacks have turned out to be false. During the Korean War, the US forces getting out-fought tactically in well planned night attacks by the Chinese somehow turned into "human wave attacks" when it was covered by the american press.

It always tends to show up in situations where an army that thinks it is superior is doesn't do as well as it was expected to. The Orc hordes with their primitive weapons were supposed to stand no chance whatsoever against the Brave NATO-trained Ukrainians armed with magical wonderweapons.

As is usually the case, the only possible answer was that the Russians are fighting wrong somehow. Because if they were fighting right, the Ukrainians would already be in Moscow. So human waves.
 
Most if not all of the historical claims of "human wave" attacks have turned out to be false. During the Korean War, the US forces getting out-fought tactically in well planned night attacks by the Chinese somehow turned into "human wave attacks" when it was covered by the american press.

It always tends to show up in situations where an army that thinks it is superior is doesn't do as well as it was expected to.
That's legitimately a big point he spent a lot of time on. You nailed it right on the head
 
Am I crazy or would a Ukrainian surrender lead to global economic prosperity? The sanctions stop, cheap oil and grain flows across the world, prices go down, we stop spending money on retarded slavs, we recover. right?
As entertaining it would be to see the collective West (tm) immediately pivot 180 degrees to being "friendly and cool" with a victorious Russia I doubt that's what would happen.
 
The sanctions wont end.
Yep. Even if Russia agreed to the previously mentioned plans that include dismantling the government, taking over their export economy with a foreign council, and endless reparations, they won't lift the sanctions. They'll just codify them into the prior export council, ensuring a limit on both how much and at what price. The people in charge of the export pricing would have no interest in flooding markets with cheap raw materials, so it'll be cut out to a non-impactful amount.

And anything short of a complete surrender from Russia would be used to justify further sanctions, likely more aggressive ones at that.
 
I am hearing about movement in Robotyne, Avdeevka, Chasov Yar and the north but it is still a bit early so I will do a battle report later.


I have mentioned it before but haven't really explained using pictures so I thought I would explain the thing with the River for the west of Avdeevka. Orlivka has been the town that Russia has been trying to get to west of Avdeevka. As far as I understand the Ukrainian logistical situation if they don't hold Orlivka they will have an extremely difficult time supplying everything east of that river line next to Orlivka. There is also another river beyond Orlivka and once the Russians take Orlivka there is not a lot stopping Russia from doing the same thing with the next River.

Ukraine needs to pull back quite a bit. Ukraine wanted to hold Orlivka originally and it looks like they will eventually try and hold the stuff west of the Orlivka river once Orlivka turns into a disaster. This is kind of like Napoleon trying to winter in Moscow and then retreating and trying to winter in Smolensk and then retreating from the entirety of Russia.
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That Green line is basically where they are trying to hold now. They need to be on the west side of the yellow line if they want to stabilize this situation at all. Ukraine has demonstrated a supreme unwillingness to retreat when it is a good idea so we shall see if they do that. I don't think this operation will complete destroy Ukraine in this area if it successful but it will absolutely mangle already understrength, for the tasks given to them, Ukrainian units. Death spiral time.
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Interesting word of mouth on Telegram. I can believe it and it seems realistic. There are lots of Russian Commentators who have soldiers they know in this location and that location and they ask about how things are going. It lends credence to the Avdeevka fell really easily theory. Of course it is just some guy at the end of the day so be a bit more suspicious of it than usual.
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Russia killed a Battalion Commander in Chasov Yar using an airstrike. I bring this up to point out a under-reported and murky part of this war especially now. Russia is dropping tons of Ordinance and this combined with the infantry is causing a lot of Casualties for Ukraine. We don't see those Casualties and they often go unreported in a lot of ways but they are there. Even if a certain section of the front doesn't move it doesn't mean nothing is happening and no pressure is being applied.
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I don't know. it would be insane for the west to get stuck in, but... they haven't been acting sane for some time.

No one expected CWC to nut to the extreme into Barbie-chan either, and we knew he was a retard.

Will Nato try to soul bond the Ukraine?
I don't think the west/NATO would consciously do something that would result in war. But this is such a big deal to them I could imagine themselves sleep-walking into this. They really care about Ukraine and they might start to act really Irrationally when things really go badly.

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This is already public information. Just about every single drone controller but DJIs and Xiaomi’s use open source software and well established microcontrollers. Same for the TX/RX, the standards are public precisely because they want some degree of interoperability.
I am not a Radio/EMF Engineer, but this stuff is not that complicated for a state to make. For a person doing everything is hard. That is why these drones are so useful and so powerful. They are extremely cheap and easy. We have had flying pieces of metal for a while but they have been expensive if we wanted a lot of control over them previously.

The cheap Electronics is what makes them possible.
The sanctions wont end.
I could see Europe realizing it is has been extremely retarded and voting to end Sanctions. If the right wing parties in Europe were smart they would campaign on this Issue alone. It is worth remembering that the Establishment in Europe doesn't really have a plan and when compared to somebody like Hungary I can see the ideas of Hungary winning.
 
I could see Europe realizing it is has been extremely retarded and voting to end Sanctions
This could be extremely divisive for the union, because Germany wants/needs this if they're going to stand any chance of salvaging their country at all as their demographic numbers collapse with their manufacturing industry fleeing. Cheap raw materials and energy are going to be their only lifeline. But France is probably going to be a lot more interested in that not happening, and most of the other member countries don't care or would side to keep them up for globohomo points or whatever their weird goals are.
 
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