Law Nintendo is suing the creators of Switch emulator Yuzu - Emulator tools aren't inherently illegal, but the way in which Yuzu is being actively used and promoted is what Nintendo appears to be objecting to here.

New documents filed Monday, February 26 reveal that videogame giant Nintendo is taking action against the creators of the popular emulator tool Yuzu.

The copyright infringement filing, from Nintendo of America, states that the Yuzu tool (from developer Tropic Haze LLC) illegally circumvents the software encryption and copyright protection systems of Nintendo Switch titles, and thus facilitates piracy and infringes copyright under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA).

Nintendo alleges that Tropic Haze's free Yuzu emulator tool unlawfully allows pirated Switch games to be played on PCs and other devices, bypassing Nintendo's protection measures.

The official Yuzu website suggests that the tool is to be used with software you yourself own: "You are legally required to dump your games from your Nintendo Switch" — but it's common knowledge, that this is not how these tools are primarily used.

The legal document claims that over a million copies of last year's The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom were downloaded prior to the game's official retail release.

Additionally, Nintendo's filing points to the success of Yuzu's Patreon page, highlighting how the project is actively supported by over 7,000 members. At time of writing, the Yuzu Patreon currently brings in close to $30,000 USD per month. Nintendo's filing alludes that this Patreon page has been actively engaged in promoting the emulator, and thus by extension piracy.

Emulator tools aren't inherently illegal, but the way in which Yuzu is being actively used and promoted is what Nintendo appears to be objecting to here.

As a result, Nintendo is now seeking a trial by jury, damages, and is demanding that the Yuzu emulator is shut down.

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[Cpt. Stud Beefpile]

I mean, doing stuff on Patreon was even dumber than trying to publish Dolphin on Steam, when installing Dolphin on your PC (or even Android) is relatively easy even without a centralized digital distribution store.

Are people too dumb to run installwizards or the like from their download folder? That's how everyone did it until fairly recently.

Short answer: yes

Long answer: anyone under 30 has little if any idea how to do anything more complicated than poke buttons on their phone. Epic/Steam/etc. is the PC/Mac equivalent of the Play Store; a one stop shop (entertainment wise) where you do a couple clicks and maybe input your credit card manually.

Trying to get modern lusers to download and install the correct version of a software package, when given the website link and a full color pictorial guide to do so, is enough to make you want to trade places with a kindergarten teacher for a day because at least they have an excuse for not knowing how to do step 1-2-3. And they're a lot cuter.

Mild powerlevel but relevant: my current job has a dedicated software installation center from which literally everything is spoon-fed to users. If it ain't on there, you have to request it and wait. If you try downloading ANY unapproved exe/msi or other installer, you'll be LUCKY if the security team is all on a donut break and doesn't catch the alert from your attempt because that is a fast path to unemployment.

Officially this is for security purposes. Which is somewhat legit.

In reality, it's mostly because so many people have the critical thinking skills of a rodent. Especially the C-suite. If you don't build that corral the sheep will wander right into a den of malware wolves trying to install freaking Java to make their spaghetti-coded crapplication work.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

Long answer: anyone under 30 has little if any idea how to do anything more complicated than poke buttons on their phone. Epic/Steam/etc. is the PC/Mac equivalent of the Play Store; a one stop shop (entertainment wise) where you do a couple clicks and maybe input your credit card manually.

I once dealt with an elderly Apple fanboi who bragged that Mac computers were the best because they weren't "database" based like Windows computers were.

In other words, he was essentially bragging that he was too damn stupid to know how to navigate and use a filesystem properly. And he had a massive shit-eating grin while doing it.

It's honestly embarrassing that younger people are just as computer illiterate as the elderly are. Just open up your download folder and run that EXE you downloaded. It's not that fucking hard.

 

[cybertoaster]

Genuinely hope Nintendo doesn't get a dime out of this

They don't care about the money, what they want is to bankrupt yuzu's devs thru legal costs since pretendo can afford to keep losing case after case but the devs don't have money to keep hiring lawyers again and again.

Its what sony did to bleem!.

Long answer: anyone under 30 has little if any idea how to do anything more complicated than poke buttons on their phone.

I had to see it to believe it, seen zoomers shitting themselves trying to use a fax machine...

It's honestly embarrassing that younger people are just as computer illiterate as the elderly are.

Nah its worse, most people who had to learn to use a PC at work were boomers in the late 70's and early 80's. Everybody after them were already learning about computers at school. Meanwhile zoomers were given ipads in the late 2000s and don't even know how to type on a real keyboard. Most homes don't even have a PC of any kind anymore, its all done thru phones and tablets.

 

[Georgio Cocklord]

I don't know if this has been mentioned but there is a legal precedent in the United States which classifies emulators as software competition. Nerrel mentioned something bout it in a video. Yuzu can win if it's a US case but if they're Europeans like all warezbros they cannot win. Nontendo is salty though, salty and stupid, they never went after dolphin, straight to yuzu.

Good. Any emulator dev who works off of Patreon deserves it. If those retards had kept their work underground and stuck to cleanroom reverse engineering this never would have happened. But they wanted money. I’m very skeptical that the work done on these more modern emulators is based on legitimate methods.

There’s a difference between seeking preservation and bottom-feeding for profit.

That’s some absurd FUD right there. The patents on the old console components have expired. The dev kits and documentation have been widely shared and copied and any IP that could have had a valid claim has been effectively abandoned except for the ROMs themselves (and sites for those have continually been taken down while the emulator sites have largely been untouched). Nintendo and Sony and others literally use and rely upon some of the emulator code for their own purposes. The only case that could be made is on trademark, say against something like SameBoy, but even that’s a stretch.

I'm really sick of pathetic moral-less assholes whing about how they deserve every single form of pop culture entertainment for free, in the exact shape and form that they desire, immediately and without consequence. Nintendo has been incredibly lax with piracy since the late 00's, considering how they used to go after unlicensed NES carts and peripherals back in the day. Video game developers are artists and they deserve to make money off their craft; it's irrelevant how much money the company is worth or the fact that they don't offer 100% of their back catalogue for sale. First of all there's complicated licensing issues, but it's ultimately Nintendo's decison whether or not what services they offer. I hope they sue more fucking people so I can laugh at all the Nintoddlers whining on X.

Based nintendo, as usual

Hey niggers, you do know products expire right? If you keep a fucking banana or plastic box in the open, they will expire at different times. Digital software cannot expire because they're not physical products and corpos want to take advantage of that fact cause you're too stupid to notice it. Do you really think it's worth paying for a fucking rom movie book comic software or any digital product which is over 20 years old? If you do then go suck sloppy Nintendo cock

 

[Alex Hogendorp]

Niggertendo and it's classic tactics on suppressing video game history just to make precious pennies out of fanboys who shill out their money on barely functional services. They don't understand how dangerous this is. The act of destroying emulation has the potential to destroy years worth of gaming history. History within an already warped history within another warped history. Orwell's biggest fears being realized time and time again.

 

[Magicat]

The virgin Yuzu vs the chad Ryujinx. Jokes aside, this shouldn't deter the hacking scene. Gbatemp and co. are always cooking.

 

[Night Crawler]

The one thing I can think of is they did something like using a BIOS or copying some kind of software that the Switch itself uses. In the article it talks about how the emulator is used to get around the Switch's anti piracy capabilities. The other thing is that they are making money by asking for donations. I know when I download emulators for the old optical disc systems like the PS1 PS2 and even the PS3 they require a BIOS file and you have to look for one. They aren't hard to find. But the BIOS is where the legal issues come into play. It's like software created by the company that made the system. You can't use it in the emulator.

This also reminds me of how Nintendo stopped the release of the Dolphin emulator on Steam. I think they were using some piece of code from the GameCube. Probably a BIOS.

If Nintendo wins this, it'll fuck over all emulators. Not just ones with devs that have a Patreon.

Others have already explained it won't. But why not direct the anger at the retards who made an emulator for a fairly new system and started publicly e-begging.

This is probably happening because the retards developing yuzu are making 40k a month off Patreon.

I would say that's a possibility.

Generally I'm pro-piracy on a basis of "its free" but I do hate the moralfagging people do to try justify why they pirated something and its always the worst when its justifying it with Nintendo stuff. The mental gymnastics people perform to try cope with doing a bad thing when they could just say "I didn't want to pay", own it and don't be a little bitch.

I don't get the justifications for it myself. Piracy has always been a thing with console fags. I remember saying I had switched over to PC years ago and the only thing they could think of was piracy. I could pirate games. I bought one of those flash carts for the DS I bought back in 2016. I bought the flash cart because I didn't want to pay ridiculous prices for old used DS games. I own some physical DS games. But most of them are ROM's on the card.

 

[EyeGuy]

"NOOOOO! I have a RIGHT to steal muh heckin' pedo anime goyslop games!"

 

[Cuckoman]

Sure, if you're gay. I'm not gay so I don't think you'll ever be able to convince me to like guys butts unlawfully steal a piece of art someone worked on

The day the government stops forcing me, at gunpoint, to bailout bankers using my tax money
is the day I will respect other government schemes like copyright

Anyway, this is what caused the tokyo-troon to go low-profile and not some forgotten thread about him that only spanned a handful of pages.

 

[Vernerus]

What the fuck is it with Nintendo enjoyers and emulation? So much fucking screeching autism.
EDIT: Is it because theres no current gen Playstation or Xbox emulators? Would those userbases also have spergouts if people were playing the Demons Souls remake on PC or the Steam Deck?

 

[Day of the Cope]

If Nintendo cares so much about people pirating their games to play them on PC, maybe they should fucking sell them on PC instead of a 6 year old system showing it's age with its drifty fucking joysticks? It's what GabeN said over a decade ago: piracy is almost always a service problem. Of course, Nintendo's claim hinges on the age old fallacy of "every pirated copy is a lost sale" which, no, it isn't. Sometimes, the person in question wasn't going to buy your game in the first place. Maybe they live in an area where they can't buy your game. Maybe they don't have their own source of disposable income. Maybe someone can't back up their own copy which they're legally allowed to do but don't have the hardware. Maybe they wanna try out the game to see if it's going to be a boring fucking slog that barely runs well. Of course, they're also going to claim that Yuzu incentivizes piracy which (aside from the fact that people won't pirate your games if you actually sold them on PC like Sony is finally doing) makes as much sense as assuming that Remington is responsible for the Sandy Hook shooting.

 

[Niggernerd]

I'm for piracy. But the people complaining also screech about AI "pirating/stealing" peoples art. So in this instance I hope Nintendo wins just to see these people screech more. Be consistent and I'll take your side.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

Sometimes, the person in question wasn't going to buy your game in the first place. Maybe they live in an area where they can't buy your game. Maybe they don't have their own source of disposable income. Maybe someone can't back up their own copy which they're legally allowed to do but don't have the hardware. Maybe they wanna try out the game to see if it's going to be a boring fucking slog that barely runs well.

Or maybe they already bought the fucking game years ago and don't want to buy it again.

 

[jertzog]

If Nintendo cares so much about people pirating their games to play them on PC, maybe they should

Maybe they should suck my cock, because I don't need to type a wall of text to justify shit.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

Oh yeah, doesn't our dear feeder get by on crypto donations?

 

[6MillionCoofs]

with its drifty fucking joysticks?

If you took care if your controlers and actually cleaned them frequently that wouldn’t happen. Nintendo know the average person is a retard and after realising telling them to take care of the stuff did not work just dediced to take the hit on that.

It's what GabeN said over a decade ago: piracy is almost always a service problem.

Well of course they said that. Western Devs openly pirated or built off other people stuff and Pirating Stuff was how people lept Valve relevent while they were not making Halo games amd instead making a monopoly on the PC gaming market. After which they were as grumpy about pirates as the next. It’s not a service problem. It’s ‘i did not want to put in the work so justifying why I did it as if it was good’ while making sure others cannot do the same’

Of course, Nintendo's claim hinges on the age old fallacy of "every pirated copy is a lost sale" which, no, it isn't.

It is. At the least they are missing out on one sale.

Sometimes, the person in question wasn't going to buy your game in the first place.

If they weren’t going to buy the game at all why did they Pirate it? If you were never going to play the game you don’t get it in any way. It’s not hard.

Maybe they live in an area where they can't buy your game.

You aren’t entitled to buy something. Either way it would still be a lost saile from somewhere if done through pirating. By it secondhand.

Maybe they don't have their own source of disposable income.

Then maybe they shouldn’t buy luxery items. Or not spend all of their income on crap they don’t need.

Maybe they wanna try out the game to see if it's going to be a boring fucking slog that barely runs well.

You can do that. There’s always a window in which you can buy games and return them. Regairdless people that do not pirate show off all of that on YT for free. You did not need to buy Pokemon SV to know it ran bad.

makes as much sense as assuming that Remington is responsible for the Sandy Hook shooting.

Only if it comes with the included Alex Jones to pull the trigger. I hear that costs extra though.

 

[The Tall Man]

IP is fake and gay.
Any artist who doesn't have the power to inspire people to support him but holds nostalgic intellectual properties hostage doesn't deserve a single penny.

 

[Dick Mason]

You fuckers sold a glorified expansion for full price.
Pokemon SV sold more than any game before it despite the games getting worse with every generation.
Kiss my ass.
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It wasn't a glorified expansion pack though. It was bigger in every way. Its like 3x the size of the first. They dumped every damn thing into the game. They probably put more effort into that than into the original.

 

[Day of the Cope]

It wasn't a glorified expansion pack though. It was bigger in every way. Its like 3x the size of the first. They dumped every damn thing into the game. They probably put more effort into that than into the original.

 

[Dick Mason]

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Taking /v/ memes as gospel is retarded though.