Off-Topic Random Trans Thoughts, Musings, and Questions - For all your armchair psych and general sperging

[tZir]

the womb transplant claim might just be the most disgusting shit I've ever heard of. organs don't float around in our bodies. female reproductive organs cannot be taken out and transplanted into a man without a fucking consequence: death. even then, since they've not stopped to think of it, I'll once again satisfy myself and say what I've been meaning to:

Men don't need to carry as much fat as women, men's joints (and relevant to this point) specially HIPS aren't as flexible as women, men can't handle considerable amounts of blood loss as well as women. why is this important? because women give birth to babies (yes infertility doesnt invalidate a woman, but I'll skip over that because it's too annoying to address it). carrying slightly more fat than men allows them to have an extra supply of energy, flexiblility (more importantly hip flexibility) allows them to handle birthing babies better and for their hips to not be fucking destroyed beyond the point of healing, and we all know about periods. plus, women do lose blood during the process of birthing too. these little things already mean men would be wrecked by a pregnancy. we wouldn't be able to handle as well the rapid consumption of nutrients for the baby, that amount of blood lost during such a taxing process could easily kill a man, and pushing a baby out? don't even. your hips would be destroyed, your body actually scarred forever, and you'd most likely die. plus, we wouldn't even be able to dilate.

that is without considering that our brains and bodies, sexual reproductive organs """aside""", do not come with the "pregnancy" mod like women's does. do you think a man's brain will be equipped to CREATE the information needed to carry that pregnancy to completion or maintain that body? I suck at this so i'll try explaining it this way instead: think of men as refrigerators and women as ovens. can a fucking refrigerator bake a cake? no it can't. and even if they created a fucking refrigerator with an oven installed the differing temperatures would probably fuck that shit up right away. not a science guy but I am using logic and what I know.

now, how would that even be okay from a moral or ethical idk point of view? you can't use a woman's dead body. it'd have to be a living woman's body. and not only that, but a healthy young woman's body. gotta harvest good organs, yknow? you'd need to ask a healthy young woman to take her womb out (and most likely the vagina too). some retarded braindead idiotic beyond salvation and again, FUCKING RETARDED women have said they'd happily "lend" their wombs to men to fulfill their fantasies. We've established these men cannot handle pregnancy with knowledge as surface-level as mine, with some logic. nothing mind-blowing. would it be okay to castrate these women who are under the false pretense their sacrifice will be worth something? and it is interesting to note the idea of DISGUSTING TRANNIES when the topic is brought up. "the doctor would take it out when the pregnancy's over!"... does that mean that woman would get her uterus back? like it's that simple? i don't know if it's been tried before, but I am assuming you cannot just remove a whole fucking organ completely and then put it right back, which means lending is not only deceptive but already false. second of all, has there been precedent for something like "transplanting an organ into someone and then taking it out!"... most likely yes, but these gross trannies think this transplant would be successful, which means we're operating under the idea of a successful organ transplant. I think it is safe to think that a successful liver transplant will not be undone later, right? what would make this any different? why should it? even using that argument implies these men know the idea is bad and a fantasy at best.

this is where "my body my choice" should stop. it is technically your choice, but should you even be allowed to give your womb up to be transplanted into a man? womb transplants are a thing, as far as I know. but they are from WOMAN TO WOMAN! from one body suited for it to another body suited for it. said transplants have gone to bodies wired for such organs. it's been done with dead bodies too, sure, but the important thing is that it's gone from a woman's dead body to the body of a living WOMAN.

I did not even touch into the troonies because they're debauched and thinking things from their point of view for too long would honestly be stupid. if a retarded tranny dies to fulfill a fantasy of his he wouldn't be the first nor will he be the last, but the idea of a woman doing this under a reverie honestly angers me. if you wanna take it out be my fucking guest, but to think it'll help a fucking pedophilic cult fulfill their longing is stupid. their wish shall never be granted and that's it.

 

[Baraadmirer]

I've seen more than one troon discussion in the wild talking abour how HRT supposedly stems hair loss

There's some truth to that, in that finasteride (which can be recommended for non-troons) is used as hair loss prevention typically from male pattern balding. It is an androgen inhibitor, and comes with potential side effects like breast enlargement, depression, and sexual dysfunction.

 

[Arpharp8976Fire]

They forget men and women have different skeletons lol

 

[Skookum Jim]

I think probably the most intriguing idea brought up by this thread is the connection between cluster B personalities, the internet, and transgenderism. The essential difference between communication on the internet and communication in real life is that the internet allows you to present yourself as whoever or whatever you like. There is an inherent disconnection between your personhood and who you actually are. This is meant as a safety measure, the internet allows you to communicate with anyone, but the flip side is that the internet allows you to communicate with anyone. Better to go by a handle or a username, so at the very least you can't be immediately tracked back to real life.

The problem is that when you're allowed to present yourself as whatever you like, people who don't like themselves will use this to try and salve the pain. This thread is about trans people specifically, but you can trace this phenomenon all the way back to the earliest furries and otherkin if you want to, it's just an inherent aspect of how we've chosen to set up the internet. Looping back around to trannies, we know these people spend a lot of time on the internet. This, combined with the echo chamber effect that modern social media has, I think has metastasized into the onus behind the trans "movement." They all mainly inhabit the internet, where for all intents and purposes they ARE the opposite sex or whatever else they've chosen for their fantasy. Eventually, I think they forgot that the internet isn't real, and tried, and indeed continue to try, to bring this sort of accidental postmodernist identity fragmentation into real life. This has only worked up until the point that they have pushed against the line upon which society at large determines Live and Let Live, and every time they try and step over it, it blows up in their face spectacularly. You can call yourself whatever you like, you can try and bully people into going along with it, you can screech and whine on twitter and reddit and discord all you like. When you look in the mirror, despite everything, it's still you.

During the pandemic I did basically nothing but lurk KF, Reddit, Twitter, and Youtube in rotation. On one hand KF and experiencing what I believe to be the peak of twitter's miasmatic haze over the internet at large helped me to stop and think about what these people were saying and decide that I wasn't going to keep believing obvious insane horseshit for social capital. On the other I think doing that, especially then, gave me a warped sense of what the world was like. Once you go off to start living, assuming you actually start living after high school, you tend to meet a lot of normal people. Normal people aren't insane twitter freaks, they aren't redditors, and there's a lot more of them than there are aforementioned groups.

One day they'll treat GRS and HRT like Lobotomies, horrifying curiosa from the Way Back Then, literally all you have to do is wait. Also if you have them keep your kids off the internet, when we were kids the internet was unsafe in the way a bad neighborhood is unsafe. Now the internet is unsafe for children in the way a casino is unsafe. Engineered to steal your time and attention and tell you all the sweet little lies you want to hear, it isn't good for anyone but it especially isn't good for children who's brains aren't done in the microwave.

 

[gagabobo1997]

Does it seem to anyone else that MtFs are far more into the sexual side of trannyism, AGP and all? I don't think there is a single MtF troon who doesn't get off to sissy stuff, crossdressing, whatever. FtMs on the other hand don't give me the same impression usually. Porn has really done a number on MtF's brains.

I understand wanting to be a cute girl. It'd basically be living life on easy mode, get to wear cute girly things, etc. but the delusion that a guy actually could become one is so bizarre to me. If a genie appeared before me and offered to turn me into a 9/10 qt3.14, sure, i'd probably say yes. But that's never going to happen. The best you can get is horrible hormone therapy and surgery which if you are already past puberty will make you look like even more of a freak. And that fact should be obvious to all these trannies but somehow it goes over their heads. Even trannies that """pass""" have obvious tells and will only look more and more like men as they get older.

To me there's little wrong with the mindset behind trannies, its the culture that says that they can live out their fantasies and that people will accept them. They are autistic perverts who wish they could've been born as a girl. But instead of just jerking off in their bedrooms to the fantasy they decide to chop their dicks off and inject themselves with various chemicals, and modern culture says that's A-OK and actually the right thing for them to do.

 

[AMHOLIO]

Does it seem to anyone else that MtFs are far more into the sexual side of trannyism, AGP and all? I don't think there is a single MtF troon who doesn't get off to sissy stuff, crossdressing, whatever. FtMs on the other hand don't give me the same impression usually. Porn has really done a number on MtF's brains.

Yes, there is a very common sterotype in anti-trans circles where men are assumed to be sex perverts, and women were either bad touched or had a more extreme mental illness (like borderline), or both. One of the reasons can actually be linked back to autism: autistic people are more likely (not all) to have hypersexuality & paraphillias. I assume narcissists get off on the control over other's perceptions.

Young and middle age men with crisises are more likely to retreat into themselves and to hide online, preforming minmal upkeep and only do behavior that makes themselves happy (video games, jerking off) if depressed or anxious. Bad coping mechanisms, looking too deep into justifying their own fetish, a theoretical fix to themselves that feels good (to their boner), and lots of new attention from new super best Lovebombing friends can convince a man that he needs to buy estrogen NOW NOW NOW.

Trans women communities online are dominated by sex. The men who want to transition but don't want so many sex hounds do so quietly, maybe still being trans online but hiding from trans communities that focus on the D. Or they only post thirst traps and never meaningfully flirt since they need attention but don't have that sex drive.

FtMs seem a little more diverse: you have the women who want to be special, the women who want to be anything but women since they have internalized misogyny, the women who want to defend themselves against sexual assault by becoming sexless and blending in, the women who are autistic or disconnected from their body to the point they don't really connect with a gender or think they are, the women who have general anxiety depression OCD and other common disorders, the women who put other women on a pedestal but hate themselves SO MUCH they convince themselves they must not be women (i.e. women are great but I am terrible therefore I am not woman since in no way I can be good - the mental illness is thick, yes), the women who do it to half assidly fit into a group, the women who do it as a fashion statement, the women who do it as a form of munchausens, the women who have personality disorders, the women who have body dysmorphia and eating disorders doing it as a form of self harm/pursing the goal of not being themselves, and of course, the women who do it to be the yaoi boy they always wanted to be. Many of these overlap, and one can have any number of them together, but the fetish is a smaller slice of the reason pie than male to femmoid.

Males just tend to be "reason A.... but also my penis hard." It's likely hard on men who don't jerk off to it or aren't using it as a form of gay conversion therapy (or using it to get straight males), as being effeminate is not only a bullying point and a point of weakness, but it takes a lot to convince yourself that you look any sort of womanly after puberty. It's easier to be a superhon when your fetish is just having the clothes on (so you don't care how you look) or being humiliated (so you care others have an expression towards you). Not just that, it takes a lot of depression/OCD to cut your dick off. While not as many trans women do it as people would believe, it is still a hard belief amongst the population. If you're deluded enough to cut your dick off, you're likely deluded enough to do some other equally risky behavior that might actually take you out.

TL; DR: Yes, and it's a bit complex. It's harder to find not sex obsessed male troons being posted on the farms since they're more boring/not funny or stay offline. There are some who are schizo or schizo adjacent that happen and might get a thread, but they're rarer.

 

[Hooked on phobics]

If faggots and trannies will constantly say libsoftiktok is responsible for bomb threats because she "inspired" them...
It is 100% acceptable to say any TRA is responsible for execution of children because they inspired Audry Hale.

 

[GumballFapper]

I recently started following some detransers and found something weird, male detransers tend to denounce the gender cult entirely but female ones, even those who have irreversibly damaged their bodies, still continue to whiteknight the same agenda

I'm talking pooners with irreversible damage such as the frog voice caused by testosterone. You would think they would be angry about the ideology which told them to ruin themselves permanently, but many of them surprisingly still root for it in some degree after detransing??? Why do they do this?

 

[sheepworldvizor]

I recently started following some detransers and found something weird, male detransers tend to denounce the gender cult entirely but female ones, even those who have irreversibly damaged their bodies, still continue to whiteknight the same agenda

I'm talking pooners with irreversible damage such as the frog voice caused by testosterone. You would think they would be angry about the ideology which told them to ruin themselves permanently, but many of them surprisingly still root for it in some degree after detransing??? Why do they do this?

Yep.

Just read this insane ex-pooner justifying living in a nest of trannies. https://www.reddit.com/r/detrans/comments/1azxnc1/roommate_came_out_as_trans_and_i_just_need_to/

Many (most?) women have a pathological need for fucked-up people to like them, is all I can surmise.

 

[deermeat]

Why do they do this?

Same reason why a good chunk of women stay in abusive relationships. Too much empathy and lack of self esteem. Women are more emotional than men just like how men are physically stronger than women. While that's not a bad thing, it makes women more vulnerable.

 

[glue eater]

Hot take: The -ack! memes are the most compassionate memes ever created, especially the troonjak variant. Gushing over suicides and garnering empathy for their mental illness is poison that feeds the disease, but mocking them as ugly caricatures serves as real determent.

 

[AMHOLIO]

Why do they do this?

Hmm... how do I put this...

So your regular trans woman is usually a 6ft man who hates women. It's easy to fight that off if you are a man: hell, you might not get a fight since they might be too scared to touch you. But female detransitioners? Get ready to be in a grave, betrayer child.

But what @deermeat said as well. For some of them, they do it because they fear disownance from the group of friends they made and use "...but transitioning is fine!" as a way not to lose friends or get social (or physical!) consequences. A protection response. For others, it's the sunk cost fallacy and likely because of mental illness and a need to please others, including lying to themselves. They might not be mentally strong enough to hear the truth.

I think a man losing their dick or sexual function is also easier to say it wasn't woeth it to. Many men transition for sexual reasons, so once either is gone you have a harder time saying it wasn't a bad idea. Women have a wider variety for trooning and don't always place the same importance on the fetish as they do for trying to fix themselves.

You know, I wouldn't be surprised if more male troons are used to turning their hatred outwards on others versus female pooners who turn it in on themselves. It's another form of self destruction without realizing it for those women.

 

[FinnSven]

The thing I wonder about pooners (ftm) is that when they realize it is harder to be a man than they expect, do they also realize it’s harder for them in particular to be a man?

 

[AMHOLIO]

The thing I wonder about pooners (ftm) is that when they realize it is harder to be a man than they expect, do they also realize it’s harder for them in particular to be a man?

Yes, many not entitled ones do, but they bury it, shift to "nonbinary", or detransition quietly.

 

[Hassou Tobi]

Yep.

Just read this insane ex-pooner justifying living in a nest of trannies. https://www.reddit.com/r/detrans/comments/1azxnc1/roommate_came_out_as_trans_and_i_just_need_to/

Many (most?) women have a pathological need for fucked-up people to like them, is all I can surmise.

I can't help but laugh at the hon being such a stereotype. Abusive, shitty boyfriend behavior and now add on AGP and harassing all the women with that now, too. And the meek little TIF doing his laundry and crying.

I think the reasons people have said about de-trans pooners not denying the cult are accurate, but I also think a lot of libtard women just have a lot of toxic empathy + strong programming that's hard to get past.

 

[Not a bee]

Has there ever been cases in history regarding AGP? Is AGP really a new disorder?

 

[FinnSven]

Has there ever been cases in history regarding AGP? Is AGP really a new disorder?

Elagabalus a Roman emperor is alleged to have been one.

https://theconversation.com/museum-classifies-roman-emperor-as-trans-but-modern-labels-oversimplify-ancient-gender-identities-218643#:~:text=Based%20on%20this%20quote%2C%20North,LGBTQ%2B%20artefacts%20from%20their%20collection

https://amp.theguardian.com/society/2023/nov/24/was-roman-emperor-elagabalus-really-trans-and-does-it-really-matter

http://outhistory.org/exhibits/show/tgi-bios/elagabalus

The descriptions of his behavior sound more like an AGP than just some guy thinking he is a woman and getting on with Empressing.

The criticism of this is that it could have been a slam job by political opponents who outlived him, but the behaviors that were described were so like today’s AGP that it casts doubt on the slander claim.

This is also part of why the early Roman Catholics were anti homosexuality and other fetish practices, because the church gained inroads in the working classes by painting the ruling and upper classes as degenerates and creeps.

 

[Tragi-Chan]

Like where are all these lesbians who are supposedly dating a TIM?

The trans widows, during the “denial” phase.

That's not a bad thing, a good choice even. Sometimes a boring end is the best end.

Honestly, troons are attention-seeking sociopaths. Just ignoring them is the best way.

 

[FinnSven]

Honestly, troons are attention-seeking sociopaths. Just ignoring them is the best way.

Yep Keffals is a great example.

Every time he thinks he is not getting enough attention, it seems that he does or says something else retarded or controversial to get a spotlight on him again.

I wonder if he was ignored hard enough, how far he would go?

More porn? Live sexual stage show to school kids?

Murder? Attempted suicide?

Murder-Suicide that he bails on at the last second and blames his victim claiming narcissistic manipulation?

 

[Susanna]

Elagabalus a Roman emperor is alleged to have been one.

https://theconversation.com/museum-classifies-roman-emperor-as-trans-but-modern-labels-oversimplify-ancient-gender-identities-218643#:~:text=Based%20on%20this%20quote%2C%20North,LGBTQ%2B%20artefacts%20from%20their%20collection

https://amp.theguardian.com/society/2023/nov/24/was-roman-emperor-elagabalus-really-trans-and-does-it-really-matter

http://outhistory.org/exhibits/show/tgi-bios/elagabalus

The descriptions of his behavior sound more like an AGP than just some guy thinking he is a woman and getting on with Empressing.

The criticism of this is that it could have been a slam job by political opponents who outlived him, but the behaviors that were described were so like today’s AGP that it casts doubt on the slander claim.

This is also part of why the early Roman Catholics were anti homosexuality and other fetish practices, because the church gained inroads in the working classes by painting the ruling and upper classes as degenerates and creeps.

It’s highly unlikely he was a troon. The roman elite despised him for being, basically, Persian, and because Persian fashion was highly effeminate to the romans (silk robes, makeup, long hair) it was very easy to target him for “dressing like a woman”, when really he was just dressing like a Persian noble. All the nonsense like “call me empress” and “I insist you call me Hierocles’s mistress” is the kind of thing roman “historians” (propagandists) invented all the time, Elagabalus just happened to be unusually generous with the ammunition.

He was probably widely unpopular for his decadent court, he did get thrown in the Tiber rather than buried properly, but his sun worship was reasonably popular with the commoners. That he was a puppet of Julia Maesa is evidence enough he wasn’t a tranny, she was too competent to allow anything like that.