Culture A video game has reinvigorated a long-running debate about fascism and satire - Helldivers 2 has prompted a debate on social media: Is the game actually a satire of fascism? And if so, is it worrying that some people don’t seem aware of that?

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Helldivers 2 is set on “Super Earth,” a futuristic version of our planet, in which all of humanity is united by “managed democracy.”
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Helldivers 2, a hit video game from Arrowhead Game Studios, challenges players to work together as an elite team of soldiers to save Earth by pushing back invading hordes of space bugs, cyborgs and robots.

It’s a simple enough premise, a classic good-versus-bad tale — except for one particular wrinkle. As many people have pointed out since its launch, some of the propaganda-style in-game content and the plot of Helldivers 2 bears a striking resemblance to “Starship Troopers,” a 1997 science fiction film about humanity’s future war against alien bugs that has come to be seen as a tragic case of satire that initially went unappreciated.

The game lays it on thick, with cutscenes bordering on comedy that tout Earth’s united and militaristic regime, having already plundered the galaxy.

“I would say most of the people understand it to be satirical,” said Christian Divyne, 29, a content creator and gamer who posted to TikTok about the Helldivers 2 discourse. “I think because it’s so overt in nature that people kind of get that it’s meant to be a bit and a joke.”

Where people are butting heads, Divyne said, is in conversations in which players say if they were in the Helldivers’ position, they would have no choice but to defend themselves and their country.

“They’re sort of just missing the point of what is an entirely fictional story,” Divyne said.

That’s led to a surprisingly fervent and meta debate about the video game: Is it actually a satire of fascism? And if so, is it worrying that some people don’t seem aware of that? Or don’t care at all?

Or, in terms more relatable to people who spend a lot of time on the internet: “Are we the baddies?

It’s a discussion that has spread on X, TikTok, YouTube, gaming message boards and Reddit, becoming prevalent enough in the gaming community to inspire a video from an unofficial X account dedicated to news about the game.

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“Friendly reminder: Don’t be a fascist,” the text over the video of Helldiver soldiers reads. “This game is a satire. You should not be genuinely reciprocating approval of conquest, genocide and violence. … Don’t be cringe. Choose to think.”

The online discussion — and at times, debate — around the game has echoed some broader pop culture discourse around the challenges and dangers of using satire in media that can sometimes be subtle or lost on people, particularly around the subject of fascism. Some players have sought to distance themselves from the topic altogether, while others have leaned into the conversation, posting about the importance of the game’s satirical messaging.

Helldivers 2 launched in early February and was immediately a success. The third-person shooter was so popular that some players couldn’t initially access the game’s overwhelmed servers to log on and start dealing damage to the monstrous space creatures that inhabit the game’s planets.

The game is set on “Super Earth,” a futuristic version of our planet in which all of humanity is united by “managed democracy.” Super Earth has collected resources and technology from the planets it conquered during the Galactic War, and goes on to colonize the galaxy. It farms the alien terminids for valuable substances, which eventually leads to the terminids breaking free and revolting and then aligning with other enemies of Super Earth, leading to the Helldivers to assemble, thus beginning the events of Helldivers 2.

When players are able to access the game, they’re met with tongue-in-cheek propaganda for “Super Earth” and the Helldivers, as well as not-so-subtle nods to facism and colonialism. In one piece of propaganda, a terminid — one of the game’s alien bugs — is seen eating a family in an idyllic neighborhood while an onlooker watches in horror.

Those elements have helped earn the comparisons to “Starship Troopers.” Similar to the video game, the movie takes place on an Earth that is ruled by a singular government whose military forces are fighting bug-like creatures called “Arachnids” on their home planets.

“I think people have a difficulty separating that a protagonist of the story, like a theoretical protagonist, isn’t necessarily the hero,” Divyne said. “Because people will look at it and they’ll ask you directly, ‘Well, what are they supposed to do?’ And then you have to kind of turn around and be like, ‘The whole thing is fake. Like, the entire thing is just a metaphor.’”

"Starship Troopers," meanwhile, has gone through several rounds of re-examination and updated appreciation in recent years. The topic was recently revisited by some users on X arguing not whether it was satire, but whether it was effective in its satirical efforts.

It’s a particularly timely topic as political scientists and historians have warned that support for fascism has been making a comeback in various parts of the world, including the U.S. Similarly, experts have observed a rise in ironic communication, like satire and parody, in recent years, as a tool to both examine and push back on dangerous ideologies like fascism.

Sophia McClennen, a professor of international affairs and comparative literature at Penn State University, who has written several books about political satire, said that it is a guarantee that ironic representations will be misunderstood by some.

She said the debate around Helldivers 2, which she has not played, is a sign that the satire is effective.

“When you combine satire and parody, you’re going to get a lot more people missing it,” McClennen said. “And you’re going to get a lot of the people that you’re actually satirizing liking it. It’s a guarantee, because it means you actually did it right.”

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No debate was sparked, just some journo, once again, found a retard screeching on the tweeter (how novel!) and wrote an article about it. While quoting a... "professor of international affairs and comparative literature". About a videogame. The absolute state of western academia and journalism, holy shit.
 
I still don't get the obsession of Air Raider the Game. I mean, I understand Air Raider mains being salty they're objectively the worst class in the game- but to make an entire game about being a shit Air Raider?
 
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Starship troopers and this game military complex parody/satires aside have something very much in common which is "there is a VERY REAL threat of space creatures attempting to kill & or enslave all of humanity." this isn't like 1984 where it's all blatantly scripted propaganda to keep the masses afraid of outsiders and in the constant fear of war and bombing, no it's fucking ACTUAL SPACE BUGS THAT WILL TAKE YOU TO THEIR LEADER WHO WILL LITERALLY SUCK YOUR FUCKING BRAINS OUT AND ABSORB YOUR COLLECTIVE KNOWLEDGE.

Maybe just take the funny game or movie for what they fucking are instead of missing the forest for the trees and deciding to turn something fun into a "difficult conversation" (lecture).
 
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they wouldn't be writing this if Helldivers 2 had a communist authoritarian spin.
Funny thing, when "Papers, Please!" came out, it was written about, but 99% of the braindead retards playing it couldn't figure out that it was saying communism = bad. It was pretty funny because even with a game like that, video game journalists were so fucking dumb they thought it was a game against nazis and fascism.

They legit were so fucking retarded and brain dead you had articles like this:


Reddit posters saying, "Uhhhh yeah, it's anti-communist, but the dev was just brainwashed and maybe didn't read enough words words words about communism?"


In short, if you can believe it, all these faggots would write about anti-communist games with more retarded articles and posts than you can ever imagine.
 
You cannot satirize fascism.

An intrinsic part of satire is exaggeration, picking a certain part and just pushing it to it's most extreme and un-nuanced take.

All of fascism is like that, a bold smile on its face.

How can you exaggerate something that starts at the extremes?
 
I see internet leftists are once again projecting black people onto literal space bugs.
How they manage this without triggering a racism panic escapes me.
I know right.

I wonder who they think the Automatons are...??? 🤔
This is like Verhoeven's Starship Troopers, if you have to tell me it's satire, it's not satire, or not good at being satire, either way it failed.
Yep and goddamn that movie pissed me off as a fan of the book.
I’ve seen supposed reports of someone asking for a pride flag cape in the official discord and they just get banned. If it’s true or not, I don’t know. But it leads to funny discussion of “that’s all we want” and everyone can see it’s not.
Regardless,
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Goddamn this is beautiful. The Terranids kill people left and right and the Automatons are Literal murder robots. Hell, one of their units has chainsaw arms.

Afaik, the official discord bans ANY political discussion/ themes.
 

long-running debate about fascism and satire​

the only reason this is a debate, and long-running on top, is because these people sperg and scream about it and we tell them to shut the fuck up. When a toddler starts to cry because he wants cookies and screams "MOMMY I WANT COOKIE I'M HUNGRY!!!" and you tell him "no, wait for dinner", that's not a debate in the same way their attempts to be the fun police aren't either.

Where people are butting heads, Divyne said, is in conversations in which players say if they were in the Helldivers’ position, they would have no choice but to defend themselves and their country.

“They’re sort of just missing the point of what is an entirely fictional story,” Divyne said.
"I'm not wrong, you just don't get it!"

"Chris Divyne" is the name of a faggot... I'm writing this before googling him because I'm curious...

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> black
> pronouns

Close enough.
 
In Star Wars games I like to play as the Empire if I can.
We Commies like playing as the Empire, too. A Star Wars: The Old Republic faction-choice-by-country map had the then-twitter wokes furiously dilating.

Funny thing, when "Papers, Please!" came out, it was written about, but 99% of the braindead retards playing it couldn't figure out that it was saying communism = bad.
Papers, Please! was a degenerate soy lie. The only truly Communist scene in it was the damned-if-i-do, damned-if-i-don't scene with the undocumented whore. Everything else is just a eurolarva subhuman's wet dream of Communist oppression.

If you got an important government job, it would be relatively cushy. You wouldn't pay rent, you'd be assigned a free apartment -- yard keepers were assigned free apartments in the apartment blocks they worked at! Heating, etc is the government's concern. Free food at the canteen, free childcare, some perfunctory job for the military wife. In the game, if you accept a fat bribe, the neighbors would report you -- but how would they know if you don't spend it? The real problem with Communism was not a lack of money for necessities but a lack of middle-class things to buy. Books (for sale) were rationed. Hobby goods like radios and aquariums were expensive. Cars you had to preorder years in advance or perform heroic feats of labor to jump the queue.

Finally, the core of the game is you're paid for BUREAUCRATIC EFFICIENCY. Need I point out how utterly insane is it? The #1 accusation leveled at Communism is that it doesn't reward outstanding performance, everyone gets paid the same, and the #2 accusation is bureaucratic slog.

(But the whore scene was 100% real. People got tortured and raped for getting in the way of privileged whores. The Soviet space program fell apart because one official couldn't get over a decent woman, Tereshkova, getting picked over his whore to be the first woman in space, so he lobbied for the manned flights program to be shut down.)
 
...If this game was about preserving the supremacy of Israel, she'd have no problems with it. In fact would be praising it for its support.

How about fuck and leave video games the fuck alone? Vidya is all about having fun and doing whatever the fuck you want. And if the latter is prevented, its how you wind up with videogames nobody buys.
 
Yes. People can. Leftists are not people, however.
Yup they can't meme and they cannot play a game unless the character is literally them both mentally and physically, true antithesis of creativity, just like this article that quotes a single tik tok clown, and some lady who has not even played the game.
 
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