Culture A video game has reinvigorated a long-running debate about fascism and satire - Helldivers 2 has prompted a debate on social media: Is the game actually a satire of fascism? And if so, is it worrying that some people don’t seem aware of that?

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Helldivers 2 is set on “Super Earth,” a futuristic version of our planet, in which all of humanity is united by “managed democracy.”
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Helldivers 2, a hit video game from Arrowhead Game Studios, challenges players to work together as an elite team of soldiers to save Earth by pushing back invading hordes of space bugs, cyborgs and robots.

It’s a simple enough premise, a classic good-versus-bad tale — except for one particular wrinkle. As many people have pointed out since its launch, some of the propaganda-style in-game content and the plot of Helldivers 2 bears a striking resemblance to “Starship Troopers,” a 1997 science fiction film about humanity’s future war against alien bugs that has come to be seen as a tragic case of satire that initially went unappreciated.

The game lays it on thick, with cutscenes bordering on comedy that tout Earth’s united and militaristic regime, having already plundered the galaxy.

“I would say most of the people understand it to be satirical,” said Christian Divyne, 29, a content creator and gamer who posted to TikTok about the Helldivers 2 discourse. “I think because it’s so overt in nature that people kind of get that it’s meant to be a bit and a joke.”

Where people are butting heads, Divyne said, is in conversations in which players say if they were in the Helldivers’ position, they would have no choice but to defend themselves and their country.

“They’re sort of just missing the point of what is an entirely fictional story,” Divyne said.

That’s led to a surprisingly fervent and meta debate about the video game: Is it actually a satire of fascism? And if so, is it worrying that some people don’t seem aware of that? Or don’t care at all?

Or, in terms more relatable to people who spend a lot of time on the internet: “Are we the baddies?

It’s a discussion that has spread on X, TikTok, YouTube, gaming message boards and Reddit, becoming prevalent enough in the gaming community to inspire a video from an unofficial X account dedicated to news about the game.

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“Friendly reminder: Don’t be a fascist,” the text over the video of Helldiver soldiers reads. “This game is a satire. You should not be genuinely reciprocating approval of conquest, genocide and violence. … Don’t be cringe. Choose to think.”

The online discussion — and at times, debate — around the game has echoed some broader pop culture discourse around the challenges and dangers of using satire in media that can sometimes be subtle or lost on people, particularly around the subject of fascism. Some players have sought to distance themselves from the topic altogether, while others have leaned into the conversation, posting about the importance of the game’s satirical messaging.

Helldivers 2 launched in early February and was immediately a success. The third-person shooter was so popular that some players couldn’t initially access the game’s overwhelmed servers to log on and start dealing damage to the monstrous space creatures that inhabit the game’s planets.

The game is set on “Super Earth,” a futuristic version of our planet in which all of humanity is united by “managed democracy.” Super Earth has collected resources and technology from the planets it conquered during the Galactic War, and goes on to colonize the galaxy. It farms the alien terminids for valuable substances, which eventually leads to the terminids breaking free and revolting and then aligning with other enemies of Super Earth, leading to the Helldivers to assemble, thus beginning the events of Helldivers 2.

When players are able to access the game, they’re met with tongue-in-cheek propaganda for “Super Earth” and the Helldivers, as well as not-so-subtle nods to facism and colonialism. In one piece of propaganda, a terminid — one of the game’s alien bugs — is seen eating a family in an idyllic neighborhood while an onlooker watches in horror.

Those elements have helped earn the comparisons to “Starship Troopers.” Similar to the video game, the movie takes place on an Earth that is ruled by a singular government whose military forces are fighting bug-like creatures called “Arachnids” on their home planets.

“I think people have a difficulty separating that a protagonist of the story, like a theoretical protagonist, isn’t necessarily the hero,” Divyne said. “Because people will look at it and they’ll ask you directly, ‘Well, what are they supposed to do?’ And then you have to kind of turn around and be like, ‘The whole thing is fake. Like, the entire thing is just a metaphor.’”

"Starship Troopers," meanwhile, has gone through several rounds of re-examination and updated appreciation in recent years. The topic was recently revisited by some users on X arguing not whether it was satire, but whether it was effective in its satirical efforts.

It’s a particularly timely topic as political scientists and historians have warned that support for fascism has been making a comeback in various parts of the world, including the U.S. Similarly, experts have observed a rise in ironic communication, like satire and parody, in recent years, as a tool to both examine and push back on dangerous ideologies like fascism.

Sophia McClennen, a professor of international affairs and comparative literature at Penn State University, who has written several books about political satire, said that it is a guarantee that ironic representations will be misunderstood by some.

She said the debate around Helldivers 2, which she has not played, is a sign that the satire is effective.

“When you combine satire and parody, you’re going to get a lot more people missing it,” McClennen said. “And you’re going to get a lot of the people that you’re actually satirizing liking it. It’s a guarantee, because it means you actually did it right.”

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Its just a video game where you kill bugs, bots, and later xenos for the glory of The Emperor Democracy. Why even take it seriously in anyway at all? Whats funny is that the fictional societies in this genre are far more realistic than any fictional idea of "true communism".

I think leftists are just jealous of such media, It it literally the society they want just replace the words "Democracy" and "Citizen" with "Socialism" and "Comrade" and now you have the leftist wet dream. Except instead of getting citizenship for service you get nothing. Dont you want to help Socialism comrade?

The other problem they have is that in their minds the Starship Troopers movie didn't go far enough in its satire. Unless you depict something like Super Earth or the Federation as some Nazi Reich where the gays and minorities are being sent to gas chambers you aren't going far enough. Depicting clean cities, or even worse the idea that a majority of the citizens regardless of race/sexuality/whatever actually support the "fascist" government is a big no no.

Whats even worse is that should interstellar warfare somehow be feasible, and humanity actually did get into a war with bug like hivemind aliens we would have leftist sitting here in our world typing "um ackshullay what if we're the bad guys??" as the Arachnid busts through their door and chops them in half.
 
im pretty sure its just journos making stuff up because of how succesful the game is while their belowed woke AAA games fail to make any impact.
Its a bleed over from the Starship Troopers talk that was going on right before the game came out. This game is basically Starship Troopers in all but name and like Starship Troopers fails making "fascisms" look bad. You basically play as highly patriot turbo Americas blowing up shit with the boys.

I mean looks at the intro:


A lot of commies are butt hurt that a video game is suggesting you do dumb fun shit for god and country.


 
What's "cringe" is when people use the term Fascism to mean Generic authoritarian governmental system.

The correct definition of Fascism is Anything that limits the powers of a Communist at any given moment.
They say they don't like fascists because they have been told fascism is evil.
I don't like fascists because I don't like people telling me what to do.
We are not the same.
 
“Friendly reminder: Don’t be a fascist,” the text over the video of Helldiver soldiers reads. “This game is a satire. You should not be genuinely reciprocating approval of conquest, genocide and violence. … Don’t be cringe. Choose to think.”
Nothing is more fascist than being the fun police and needing to beat people over the head with the obvious.

People are 100% capable of immersing themselves into the role of an over-patriotic imperialist trooper, then turn it off the game and be a functioning member of society without a hit of fascist thought in their brain. For a lot of people it is fun to be the bad guy and really get into it. If actions in games reflects actions in life, then every RPG needs to have a built in alert to the FBI whenever someone does an evil playthough.
What if they aren't a functioning member of society and they are already pretty fascist?
Funny thing, when "Papers, Please!" came out, it was written about, but 99% of the braindead retards playing it couldn't figure out that it was saying communism = bad. It was pretty funny because even with a game like that, video game journalists were so fucking dumb they thought it was a game against nazis and fascism.

They legit were so fucking retarded and brain dead you had articles like this:


Reddit posters saying, "Uhhhh yeah, it's anti-communist, but the dev was just brainwashed and maybe didn't read enough words words words about communism?"


In short, if you can believe it, all these faggots would write about anti-communist games with more retarded articles and posts than you can ever imagine.
I actually liked how Papers Please! did border control.
 
“Friendly reminder: Don’t be a fascist,” the text over the video of Helldiver soldiers reads. “This game is a satire. You should not be genuinely reciprocating approval of conquest, genocide and violence. … Don’t be cringe. Choose to think.”
Nothing is more fascist than being the fun police and needing to beat people over the head with the obvious.
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I find it hilarious that a bunch of lefties made a game mocking a “Managed Democracy” system of government where elections are predetermined but everyone worships the concept of democracy without really understanding what it is. It’s especially funny because the party they support in real life shares that ideology.
Non-democratic elements can help preserve a nation's freedom. Pre-Erdogan Turkey had military coups whenever Islamist politicians threatened everyone's secular freedoms.
Russia still has partially free democratic elections, but the FSB spy agency shuts down any candidate who goes against their agenda. (Maybe good as it may stop foreign-backed judas goats)
The American 2020 presidential election might have had similar intervention by American glowies.
(But the whore scene was 100% real. People got tortured and raped for getting in the way of privileged whores. The Soviet space program fell apart because one official couldn't get over a decent woman, Tereshkova, getting picked over his whore to be the first woman in space, so he lobbied for the manned flights program to be shut down.)
Can I have more information on this. I've seen some likely mistresses promoted to colonel in China.
 
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I feel like fascism is one of those systems that really only existed 3 times and each of those times was very different and followed a Civil War.

Communism typically is just death squads, starvation, and re-education camps. I hate it more because Germany is Germany and my baseline hatred for the German people makes me assume that they just fucked up something.
 
OMG... WHO THE FUCK CARES! It's an artistic style chosen based on a very popular spiritual inspiration! Even if it wasn't, it is explicitly clear that democracy won out and everything (bugs and robots aside) is good! Additionally... see "WHO THE FUCK CARES!?" It's a fictional story.

I somehow suspect after seeing complaining like this that these types of people would never accept a world with most problems solved.. especially if they weren't solved in the exact way they want and approve of. But even if they were.. I mean look at how hard they struggle to invent new things to be upset by, new "injustices" to fight.

When they say things like "caused debates" or "raised questions" they mean "totally invented by us" or something bitched about by unhinged extremist retards at places like ReeeeEra and social media.

You have to love how all these people and "experts" talk about fascism like it's the ideology responsible for the top two or three most murderous, totalitarian and misery causing episodes of modern human history... from their spots in orgs and institutions full of open supporters of the ideology that is!
 
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Its a bleed over from the Starship Troopers talk that was going on right before the game came out. This game is basically Starship Troopers in all but name and like Starship Troopers fails making "fascisms" look bad. You basically play as highly patriot turbo Americas blowing up shit with the boys.

I mean looks at the intro:


A lot of commies are butt hurt that a video game is suggesting you do dumb fun shit for god and country.


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I die so that managed democracy may live.
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Seriously, calling in an airstrike and ending your final moments with a gung ho salute is just chef's fucking kiss. I am so getting this game come payday.
 
Anyone care to point me towards... anything regarding this videogame that supports establishing an economic system wherein private entities are in part or majority owned by the government?
 
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