MASSIVE Erection Thread 2016 - Lizard has the advantage. Trump is spiraling towards defeat.

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All discussion of the candidates, updates and results should go here

For example- here's a video of Ted Cruz vying for world domination.


Also Hilary Clinton is a crook and nobody should have sex with her.

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(Note- The title will change as we get nearer the election, previous titles will be archived in the OP)
 
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The attorney general has filed a cease and desist against the Trump Foundation, oh boy...
It's true, a lot of people can't handle it. Why do you think there's so many suicides in the military and for discharged veterans? Are you saying we don't need more mental health treatment for our military people, who are still in and those who are out?

I'm sorry you were tricked into thinking it's patriotic to be forced into slave labor for the government with the threat of imprisonment, but it's not.
Suicide is the result of a lack of support to deal with the pain. There is no universal character trait for coping with it. I've seen men tough as hell break down before. I agree that while unneeded, avoiding the draft wilfully because your father had money is wrong.
The draft is stupid and no one should be forced to sign up to die or face imprisonment otherwise.
The draft is stupid because the whole war was stupid. But the point stands he used his father's position and power to avoid going, then talks shit about people like McCain, who not only served willingly, but honorably. Next you'll be telling me we shouldn't punish people for desertion. I signed up for the selective service because I give enough of a damn about the country, not because of possible punishment. I refused to take someone who grew bone spurs 5 different times as a worthy leader.
 
And why is Ohio and Florida not there? You ACTUALLY are suggesting she can win without either of those states? Thats likely.

Basic arithmetic says yes. The states I listed, their cumulative value adds up to greater than 270 electoral college votes. Ohio, Nevada and Florida are likely to go to her as well but are not necessary for her to reach 270.
 
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I agree that while unneeded, avoiding the draft wilfully because your father had money is wrong.

Avoiding slavery isn't wrong. Any institution that forces people to work against their will is wrong. The idea of the draft is involuntary servitude.

The idea that the government is allowed to put you through involuntary servitude, while you are not allowed to put someone else into slavery, is doublethink. Go read about how the courts have defended involuntary servitude "to the state." The state is above the law the rest of us are bound to.

No Americans should have been forced to die in Vietnam. Vietnam did not even threaten the United States. No person should be forced into servitude against their will, now, or ever in history.

Talk shit about his remarks towards John McCain, but defending the draft is defending involuntary servitude.

I don't understand how a deferment for being a student in College and a deferment for a medical condition means he avoided the draft because he's a rich daddy's boy. Do you believe Daddy paid off the college admissions to admit Donald Trump in solely to avoid the draft, or do you believe Daddy paid off a doctor to forge a medical condition to disqualify him from being forced to serve against his will?
 
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Next you'll be telling me we shouldn't punish people for desertion.
If you sign up, you should be punished if you flee. If you were forced to serve via the draft I think desertion should be sanctioned. That, however, doesn't factor in today's military service. If in the future the draft is reinstated and people are shipped off to war against their will, then yeah I am saying people shouldn't be punished for desertion.
 
Avoiding slavery isn't wrong. Any institution that forces people to work against their will is wrong. The idea of the draft is involuntary servitude.
There's a moral difference between draft resisters and draft dodgers.

Muhammad Ali could've done something similar to what Trump did when he got out of Vietnam, but he chose to make it clear that he opposed the war specifically because it was against his conscience. That landed him in prison and lost him his title, but if we had more people who acted like that, we could've ended the draft years sooner.

Trump very clearly doesn't give a shit about government violence. He's openly praised the Tienamen Square crackdown when he's not busy quoting Mussolini on Twitter. He just doesn't have enough balls to put the work in himself when there's a chance he won't be able to walk away.
 
Trump very clearly doesn't give a shit about government violence. He's openly praised the Tienamen Square crackdown when he's not busy quoting Mussolini on Twitter. He just doesn't have enough balls to put the work in himself when there's a chance he won't be able to walk away.
I thought you didn't quote conservative sources like National Review. It's almost like you're going out of your way to make Trump look bad.

 
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There's a moral difference between draft resisters and draft dodgers.

Muhammad Ali could've done something similar to what Trump did when he got out of Vietnam, but he chose to make it clear that he opposed the war specifically because it was against his conscience. That landed him in prison and lost him his title, but if we had more people who acted like that, we could've ended the draft years sooner.

Are you saying that it's better to object to a Governments war, go to prison, and have a criminal record as a draft resister, than telling the Government to go fuck themselves and leave the country? Come on, if you disagreed with a war, would you seriously be okay with going to actual Prison? I mean you arent Muhammed Ali, so you don't have any reputation or fame to help you while in prison, or enable you to get a job afterward.
 
Muhammad Ali could've done something similar to what Trump did when he got out of Vietnam, but he chose to make it clear that he opposed the war specifically because it was against his conscience. That landed him in prison and lost him his title, but if we had more people who acted like that, we could've ended the draft years sooner.

Muhammad Ali did a great thing, but I don't believe individuals should have to be imprisoned and be stripped of their livelihood in order to be "justified" in wanting to live their life without being shipped across the world to kill the natives of another country.

If you can get out of being forced into servitude, you should. It's a morally abhorrent institution and if you stand up against it like Muhammad Ali did, they will do all they can to ruin your life.

Trump's comments on the Tienamen Square crackdown were wrong, but that doesn't make it morally wrong to avoid being forced into work and possibly die against your will.
 
I thought you didn't quote conservative sources like National Review. It's almost like you're going out of your way to make Trump look bad.
If you're gonna be a retard, you could at least be accurate.

I frequently quote the National Review, the Federalist, the Spectator, and Reason when discussing politics. If a good point's a good point, only a fucking baby cares that the politics of the source aren't in lockstep with their own.

Punch your shit up. Your posts in this thread are in TK territory, but at least he has the decency to be funny.
 
If you're gonna be an exceptional individual, you could at least be accurate.

I frequently quote the National Review, the Federalist, the Spectator, and Reason when discussing politics. If a good point's a good point, only a fucking baby cares that the politics of the source aren't in lockstep with their own.

Punch your shit up. Your posts in this thread are in TK territory, but at least he has the decency to be funny.
I don't waste effort when it comes to you. The only time I actually gave a shit about you was that PM.
 
No, they weren't.

The study had already been discredited as early as 2002 when the results were unable to be duplicated. The Wakefield Paper which started the whole fiasco was retracted by the journal that published it in 2010.
Yeah I know what happened to Wakefield. This is going to be slightly off topic, so I've spoilered it:
It might surprise you, but most expectant parents don't actually follow the Lancet. In fact a lot of them don't read any medical journals at all. These days there are three primary sources they get information from - friends and family, mommy blogs/forums, and medical professionals. That's in order of most listened to to least. It's insane. So they listen to their friends and mommy blogs and forums, where the overall message they get is 'you know, I know a woman whose sister had a friend whose baby died after getting vaccinated! I just don't know that it's safe.' And when you are expecting, you don't weigh up things rationally, because it's your child's potential life at stake here. And while rationally even if your kid could get autism that would be a damn sight better than meningitis or whooping cough, nobody has seen someone suffer from those diseases, whereas they all know someone with autism. It really doesn't matter that the autism link has been definitively disproven, like the saying goes, a lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes. This should not be surprising to anyone who has seen homoeopathic remedies or detox diets for sale.
See those last two? Those ones you should call him on. Because he was actually running for president when he said them. I didn't know about those because any time it comes up people just quote that exceptional tweet. That's why I used the super predators comparison, which nobody really gives a shit about any more.

This'd be disqualification grounds for Jill Stein's VP pick.

Even though his beliefs about Beyonce and white supremacy, France's culpability in the November attacks and calling Barack Obama an Uncle Tom aren't?

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Those self-important MSM cowards' refusal to discuss such things is the reason someone like Trump has any chance at beating her.
I thought you'd said this, but I didn't grab it when I quoted you so I thought I imagined it. Anyway I just wanted to say that I agree 100%, if the msm were willing to make their favourites justify saying shit like this Trump wouldn't have made it through the primaries.
 
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New York Times finally publishes an article about Hillary Clinton's history of victim blaming in Bill's sexual escapades.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/03/u...ackage-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

A few years late to the party, but I think it likely that they intentionally waited as long as possible before writing on such a well documented topic in order to minimize the negative effect on the campaign.
 
I honestly think that desertion and draft need to be penalized by how they occur.

I see drafts and punishments for desertion totally justified if it is a defensive war, especially on home soil. US almost never had those though. I can understand people not wanting to die because a president wants to attack another country.
 
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