Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Rubick]

He's not wrong.

 

[Strix454]

If Trump wins is that the end for Ukraine I haven't been following the race closely but I don't imagine he's keen on giving Zelninsky more money ps I thought the ukie cope thread on the farms was bad ukie cope Reddit is even worse.

Its worth remembering that they impeached him the first time for messing with their plans in Ukraine. The current plan is to vote Ukraine (in theory) four years worth of money before Trump gets anywhere near office.

Even if he is elected, the ability to alter or harm ukraine policy will likely be denied to him.

Trump's best chance is if the wars in Israel continue and Nethanyahu stays in office. The biden administration's full concentration and pressure is on (a) saving Hamas and (b) getting rid of the current Israeli government. If Biden goes into a democratic political convention with a war in Gaza still going on, its going to blow up the Democratic party. Nethanyahu has to go before July and thats the number one priority of the Biden Administration.

The other hope is for a criminal conviction of Trump before November. Trump has beaten or delayed most of the cases, but its going to still be very close if he can defeat all of the them. He can win on nearly everything but one single charge can finish him off.

 

[Ancient Pioneer]

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I agree with what he says, but he doesn't seem to understand that NATO has rendered themselves completely incapable of being trusted with diplomatic agreements and that the only thing Russia can trust right now is just neutralizing the Ukrainian state by force, making it impossible for Western powers to ever enter it again. Decades of being bad actors have fucked the US and NATO on this matter and no amount of squirming and complaints will overturn it.

 

[make_it_so]

If Trump wins is that the end for Ukraine I haven't been following the race closely but I don't imagine he's keen on giving Zelninsky more money ps I thought the ukie cope thread on the farms was bad ukie cope Reddit is even worse.

Trump is probably salivating at the prospect of playing "deal maker" and negotiating an end to the Russia-Ukrainian war. But as others have pointed out, not only have domestic forces made efforts to ensure he can't do that, but at this point the Russians seem determined to not get suckered into another treaty that isn't brought by a decisive victory.

 

[Fapcop]

I agree with what he says, but he doesn't seem to understand that NATO has rendered themselves completely incapable of being trusted with diplomatic agreements and that the only thing Russia can trust right now is just neutralizing the Ukrainian state by force, making it impossible for Western powers to ever enter it again. Decades of being bad actors have fucked the US and NATO on this matter and no amount of squirming and complaints will overturn it.

Bring in other countries.

Turkey, China, Saudi Arabia.

All of them still have some credibility, and would love to play on the diplomatic stage. They could be guarantors of a deal.

Trump is probably salivating at the prospect of playing "deal maker" and negotiating an end to the Russia-Ukrainian war. But as others have pointed out, not only have domestic forces made efforts to ensure he can't do that, but at this point the Russians seem determined to not get suckered into another treaty that isn't brought by a decisive victory.

As president Trump could make executive orders that would prevent the pentagon from handing over anything. Could luck spending that cash on weapons with zero cooperation from the military.

Trump also have other levers, like ending any kind of intel/military cooperation.

Block any spending until they change the budget. Good luck explaining to the American people that the government is shutting down because you want to give billions of dollars to another country.

And I’m not exactly sure that it’s legal for congress to do this, though that would be up to the Supreme Court to rule on.

 

[geckogoy]

And I’m not exactly sure that it’s legal for congress to do this

Afaik not really no, i think its more or less akin to voting 'congress shall now do what we want forever and ever' which can just be voted down by a later congress

 

[Susanna]

Bring in other countries.

Turkey, China, Saudi Arabia.

All of them still have some credibility, and would love to play on the diplomatic stage. They could be guarantors of a deal.

So what happens when the yanks break the peace? Do the Turks and Saudis declare war on them? Nevermind that China would never be party to such a thing in the first place.
You can't trust the yanks, they'll break any treaty signed, and won't even show you the respect of being just a little bit subtle about it. The betrayal will be complete and immediate. China saying "but you promised you wouldn't do that this time" is going to matter not at all.

 

[Seedling]

On the topic of Trump, the only thing i've heard him say about Ukraine is probably from the CNN appeareance he made

>If i'm president i would had that war settled in one day, 24 hours
>I don't think in terms of winning or loosing, i think in terms of getting it settled so we stop killing all these people
>I want everybody to stop DYING, Russians and Ukranians i want them to stop DYING
I think its obvious Trump doesn't give a shit about the uniparty bloodthirst and he just plans to settle a peace deal and be the man known for stopping the meat grindger.

 

[Halfnium Bomb]

The biden administration's full concentration and pressure is on (a) saving Hamas and (b) getting rid of the current Israeli government.

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Sure we're talking about the same DNC that actively mocks it's own voterbase when they call out Israel?

 

[Halmaz]

history channel I usually enjoy just recently posted a video shilling for a Ukranian charity called "YOUkraine"

I am very disappointed. I enjoyed his content, but decided to unsibscribe and never watch his videos again. This guy should know better, he was recently seething about Youtube demonetising his videos about Israel. Oh well, no more views from me.

 

[Betonhaus]

Its worth remembering that they impeached him the first time for messing with their plans in Ukraine. The current plan is to vote Ukraine (in theory) four years worth of money before Trump gets anywhere near office.

So what happens if one of the terms of Ukraines surrender is that Russia gets to confiscate all future funding from America?

 

[Fapcop]

So what happens when the yanks break the peace? Do the Turks and Saudis declare war on them?

Nothing that wild. But Turkey is a NATO member and could seriously gum everything up there.

What could they do? Condemn any action by the US or Ukraine. Prestige is one thing that is important to the swamp, and semi important nations like Turkey etc. condemning US actions and taking Russia’s side would be a major blow to US prestige. Especially as they dream about isolating Russia.

Nevermind that China would never be party to such a thing in the first place.

Why not? The chinks love to be seen as a major power.

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Sure we're talking about the same DNC that actively mocks its own voterbase when they call out Israel?

The Dems are split on Israel. The one thing they CAN agree on though, is to try and get a diplomatic win out of the whole mess through some kind of Palestinian state and peace agreement.

Both their fat left faction and the Bidenites are absolutely terrified of Netanyahu taking a big ol’ shit on their precious Oslo accords and do something wild like setting up settlements in Gaza.

 

[Susanna]

What could they do? Condemn any action by the US or Ukraine. Prestige is one thing that is important to the swamp, and semi important nations like Turkey etc. condemning US actions and taking Russia’s side would be a major blow to US prestige. Especially as they dream about isolating Russia.

What makes you think the yanks would care about their vassals writing them a strongly worded letter? China condemns them all the time and they never pay any attention to it. Western newspapers don’t even report it, so they’re only losing prestige in the eyes of people they already don’t have to care about.

Why not? The chinks love to be seen as a major power.

That was in reference to the idea of enforcing the peace on the yanks with arms. China doesn’t do that.

Yanks can’t be trusted, no matter how many nations tut-tut them.

 

[Fapcop]

I am very disappointed. I enjoyed his content, but decided to unsibscribe and never watch his videos again. This guy should know better, he was recently seething about Youtube demonetising his videos about Israel. Oh well, no more views from me.

Let him know how you feel.

The major reason these useful idiots do shit like that is for updoots and fawning. The more you let them know there is a price for taking sides, the less likely they are to do it.

And as for watching his stuff, copy his video to something like Rumble or daily motion and watch them there. No reason to deny yourself something if he isn’t making a dime on you.

ATTENTION RUSSIA BROS…

There is a video of Putin absolutely tearing the oligarchs a new one at a public, televised meeting shortly after him originally becoming president.

Know which video I’m referring to?

Tried to find it on YouTube yesterday, but it was nowhere to be found.

If you know what I’m talking about and where to find it, could you drop a link?

 

[Myrtle the Turtle]

I get better war analysis from Kiwi Farms than I do from US media. So it goes.
The NYT has just discovered that spending resources on a failed offensive is incredibly myopic for a long-term defensive position.
Surprisingly Weak Ukrainian Defenses Help Russian Advance (Archive) | Article Paywall

Ukrainian commanders have had ample time to prepare defenses outside Avdiivka. The area has been under attack since 2014, and Ukraine has had a tenuous hold on it since Russia launched its full-scale invasion two years ago.
But the Ukrainian defenses outside Avdiivka show rudimentary earthen fortifications, often with a connecting trench for infantry troops to reach firing positions closest to the enemy, but little else.

Why is this you ask? I thought they were months away from a victory? They had almost 10 years to prepare for this and didn't bother do much beyond trenches. Their leaders laundered, broke the system and used up all the money for good defenses to enrich themselves.

Ukrainian officials may have been too focused on offensive operations last year to dedicate the necessary resources to building the kind of multiple trenches and tank traps that Russian engineers built since late 2022 in the country’s south, the U.S. officials and military experts said.

The Russians have been playing a smarter, and more sustainable ground advance, being careful not to overexert themselves. Ukraine spent a significant amount of time & resources on the failed offensive and no longer has the ability to put of effective defensives which has cost them large losses with no way of stopping the Russian advance.

 

[Susanna]

There is a video of Putin absolutely tearing the oligarchs a new one at a public, televised meeting shortly after him originally becoming president.

Know which video I’m referring to?

Tried to find it on YouTube yesterday, but it was nowhere to be found.

If you know what I’m talking about and where to find it, could you drop a link?

This one? Timeline isn’t right though, but it’s the one I’d expect most westerners to have seen, since it’s translated.

 

[01169]

Nicaragua has sued Germany for its complicity in Israel's supposed genocide in Gaza.

This is going to be hilarious. Nicaragua will be painted as a Russian asset but by that they will tell all the muzzies that they can go fuck themselves. Which they should to be honest. Pretty sure this will lead to new conflicts in Germany. At the very least they will have to explain how it's not a genocide when 115 civilians are killed in a single incident when the slogfest in Ukraine with barely any civilian casualties (considering the scale of the conflict) is seen as such.

 

[World Famous Quasi Payer]

As president Trump could make executive orders that would prevent the pentagon from handing over anything. Could luck spending that cash on weapons with zero cooperation from the military.

This the same military that lied to Trump about US army deployments in Syria? Yeah, I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[Seedling]

Nicaragua has sued Germany for its complicity in Israel's supposed genocide in Gaza.

This is going to be hilarious. Nicaragua will be painted as a Russian asset but by that they will tell all the muzzies that they can go fuck themselves. Which they should to be honest. Pretty sure this will lead to new conflicts in Germany. At the very least they will have to explain how it's not a genocide when 115 civilians are killed in a single incident when the slogfest in Ukraine with barely any civilian casualties (considering the scale of the conflict) is seen as such.

Hold i feel like i hit my head with a shovel, why is NICARAGUA of all countries suing for this?

 

[01169]

Hold i feel like i hit my head with a shovel, why is NICARAGUA of all countries suing for this?

Well...because they ARE a Russian asset. I could imagine that it's the country with the least financial support from Germany out of all the Russia allied ones. Keep in mind that we morons send money to basically everyone. Sometimes that flow stops or is lowered. So that can be a factor for some leaders/governments to send a little fuck you to Berlin.

Quick search tells me that 2021 there was such an end of financial aid.