Hasidic Community - Everybody's favorite type of Jew. Moved to "Mass Debates" 109 times.

These people have positively infested my area like a great plague akin to "The Nothing" of The Neverending Story. I wouldn't give a shit if it weren't for the fact that they can't drive at all, they never watch their five million children, and overall they are the rudest people I've ever had the displeasure of meeting.

I was roller skating in a hasidic-conquered district and a group of them swarmed past me, knocking me on my ass, and laughing with each other.

I was at the zoo once. There was an old white wolf on the other side of the glass. Some hasidic dude with 37 children comes over and starts encouraging them to bang on the glass and wave potato chip bags in front of this poor creature's face.

The final straw is when they kept calling my family and I, trying to purchase my grandmother's house starting THE DAY AFTER HER FUNERAL.
AFAIK they really just don't care what Gentiles think or how their actions affect non-Hasidic people. They think the souls of gentiles are lesser souls, like horses or cows, and it's fine to be rude and tacky towards them.
Lmao don't get fooled, the men are sluts who likely experimented sexually with other men in yeshiva because they never had access to women but were still horny. They also sometimes fuck non Jewish women because the non Jewish women don't count.
Oh baby don't get me horny right before candle-lighting. You know I'm bloody...
I know all about it ;)
Nice job dispelling those stereotypes of degenerate Juden
I really don't see the problem with Jewish men being easy to fuck. Rate me deviant, just means you give money to Nool.
 
Nice job dispelling those stereotypes of degenerate Juden
Christian fundies do the same shit. Homophobic preachers getting busted with gay hookers and blow is a trope for a reason.
Religiously if you convert Orthodox you're considered just like any other Jew. If you convert with anything else you're a larping non jew. Realistically, if you're a convert there's some friction, especially if you're black or non white in some way. Black people get it the worst, example being that Nissim Black was unable to get his children into religious schools because they disapproved of his job as a rapper until one of the most important rabbis in the religion told them to let his kids in. It's getting better but it's taking time.
That's bizarre since Ethiopian Jews have been around for ages. Then again I know Ethiopian Jews get treated like shit in Israel (like being given depo shots against their consent to prevent them from having kids). I guess racism is a much of a problem within Judaism as anywhere else.

Are non-ashkenazi Hasidics a thing? If so, how are they treated by the rest of the community?
 
Uh... bad, in a word. Most savory dishes are overly sweetened. Picture egg kugel with raisins, cholent, gefilte fish, and all of it costs more because it's kosher-certified. (At least the prepared food, cheese, and meat, anyway.)

The entire time I ate kosher (2 years, give or take) I was adapting gentile recipes to suit the cooking style, because the trad Jewish dishes are all pretty bad. IMO they're the worst of slavic and eastern eu cookery, plus the worst excesses of industrialization. Think turning matzah from an unleavened bread to a crispy cracker the size of a dinner plate, corned beef on everything, and mysterious processed oils that are pareve but also 4g of trans fat per serving.
Cholent is fine in my experience, but maybe it's just the way the Hasidics make it which makes it unpleasant. Or maybe it's because the person who made the one I ate wasn't jewish. I don't really know.
 
Christian fundies do the same shit. Homophobic preachers getting busted with gay hookers and blow is a trope for a reason.
This gave me an idea.
Why don't you make a thread on Christian wingnuts of all types?
The seething and tears would be tremendous and there is so much material, from corruption, stealing, megachurches, the Gospel of Prosperity, fake miracles, it just goes on, and on, and on.
 
This gave me an idea.
Why don't you make a thread on Christian wingnuts of all types?
The seething and tears would be tremendous and there is so much material, from corruption, stealing, megachurches, the Gospel of Prosperity, fake miracles, it just goes on, and on, and on.
We already have Quiverfull Gen in BP. surprisingly enough it doesn't cause much seething.
 
They sound like Judaisms equivalent of Wahhabists and the various flavors of fundie Christianity. I've said before but despite the differences the extreme versions of the abrahamic religions have more in common with each other than the normie moderate version of the same religion.

How do regular orthodox jews compare and contrast to hasidics with their treatment of women? It sounds like orthodox are still conservative, but not as extreme as hasidics.
From my experience in the Chabad (very little admittedly) women are treated very fairly but are expected to be separated from men in certain scenarios. I remember men and women in the synagogue praying separately and matchmaking definitely was a thing. Not as repressive as the hasadim.
 
That's bizarre since Ethiopian Jews have been around for ages. Then again I know Ethiopian Jews get treated like shit in Israel (like being given depo shots against their consent to prevent them from having kids). I guess racism is a much of a problem within Judaism as anywhere else.
Ethiopian Jews aren't black in the same way as black americans who convert, there's a huge BHI issue with black converts where BHIs try to convert to Orthodox Judaism.

The depo shots story is weird, it was not widespread and only happened for a few months.

Israelis will openly call Black Jews there monkeys and they've always treated Holocaust victims from Germany as weaker settlers. Israelis openly hate diaspora Jews who refuse to move there. Ultra-Orthodox are hated predictably since they refuse to assimilate into any society they live in. So Jews aren't just racist to other groups, they have some pretty serious problems with each other.
everyone in israel is racist to each other until the times get rough and then they unify. Re: holocaust victims, initial Israelis believed that Holocaust victims were complacent and weak Jews who didn't fight back which was against the Zionist ideal of jews that fight back. As history got written, the Israelis understood that the victims did try to fight back and Israelis softened their stance.


Are non-ashkenazi Hasidics a thing? If so, how are they treated by the rest of the community?
No but there are Sephardic Charedim who share a lot of their beliefs with Hasidim since Sephardim are more mystical in general. They're discriminated against but with the rise of the Right in Israel, they've been treated much better.

The thing that's fucky for Westerners to hear is that in Israel the right wing are the anti racists.
 
In the middle of bumfuck New Jersey lies a town known as Lakewood which is now home to thousands of Chasidic Jews.

According to the Wikipedia page,

A study of Jewish communities published under the auspices of the Berman Jewish DataBank estimated that Lakewood had a total Jewish population of 54,500 in 2009, about 59% of the township's 2010 population. NJ.com estimated in 2018 that two-thirds of the township's residents, or about 90,000 people, were Orthodox Jews.

Within the last few years, Lakewood has been subject to urban development, displacing the shrinking population of schvartzes and expanding to surrounding townships. Lakewood Township falls under what New Jersey defines as an "Urban Enterprise Zone" which is a designation that gives the municipality a sale tax reduction from the standard 6.6% to 3.3%.

Lakewood is also home to Beth Medrash Govoha, the largest Yeshiva outside of Israel. They're affiliated with Lakewood East, or, Beth Medrash Govoha of America in Eretz Yisroel.

The non-Jew residents that surround Lakewood Township are renowned for their emboldened indifference and despise of Lakewood Township, mostly due to the development of illegal multi family homes, squalor, and bad driving.
 
Except Arabs, who they're genociding
please lmao, the right is soyfacing over Mansour Abbas who is the leader of a radical Islamist party but is willing to acknowledge that Israel exists and he has to work with that. Arab communities are regularly begging for more Israeli police intervention in their towns because they keep killing each other and can't stop doing it without external intervention.

These Israeli arabs are supporting this "genocide" because Hamas openly murdered fellow Muslims and Arabs during Oct 7th. The Abu Essa crime family openly supports the IDF now and declared a blood feud with Hamas for killing their relative along with a 1 million dollar bounty on the head of the man who killed their relative.

twitter doesnt tell the full story

also @EyeGuy maybe just make this a Jewish general so you can include the various hilarious things that Reforms/Conservatives do? The Conservative movement just decided that electric cars cannot be driven on shabbat but gasoline cars can be.
 
please lmao, the right is soyfacing over Mansour Abbas who is the leader of a radical Islamist party but is willing to acknowledge that Israel exists and he has to work with that. Arab communities are regularly begging for more Israeli police intervention in their towns because they keep killing each other and can't stop doing it without external intervention.

These Israeli arabs are supporting this "genocide" because Hamas openly murdered fellow Muslims and Arabs during Oct 7th. The Abu Essa crime family openly supports the IDF now and declared a blood feud with Hamas for killing their relative along with a 1 million dollar bounty on the head of the man who killed their relative.

twitter doesnt tell the full story

also @EyeGuy maybe just make this a Jewish general so you can include the various hilarious things that Reforms/Conservatives do? The Conservative movement just decided that electric cars cannot be driven on shabbat but gasoline cars can be.
10,000+ dead children and shooting starving people trying to get food isn't genocide?
 
10,000+ dead children and shooting starving people trying to get food isn't genocide?
dey dindu nuffin dey wuz good boyz

go sperg in the mass debates or your opinion thread, this is for hasidim. I was referring to anti racists in the jewish context of different Jewish cultures that interact with each other
 

#FreeMalky / Flatbush Girl vs. Kiryas Joel​


Background​

According to Jewish law, a religious divorce ("get") can be given only by the husband's free will. Even if a couple are legally divorced, if a husband refuses to give his wife a get, she is religiously forbidden from remarriage, and remains an aguna ("chained woman") until the get is issued or he dies. Crucially, the get must be given of the husband's free will - a coerced get is invalid, although "free will" is unsurprisingly subject to very broad interpretation (see below).

Currently, a Kiryas Joel man named Volvy Berkowitz is withholding a get from his wife Malky, a resident of Williamsburg. In Israel, a recalcitrant husband can be imprisoned indefinitely until he agrees to give a get, but in America, the only (legal) recourse is to apply communal pressure to the man. Traditionally, this was done through ostracism (the man will not be allowed to pray in a synagogue, for instance), although recently organizations such as ORA have used public shaming and protests. However, ORA and the like operate primarily in the Modern Orthodox community, and their influence within the Hasidic world is limited.

Adina Sash / FlatbushGirl / @flatbushgirl​

Enter FlatbushGirl (real name Adina Sash), an Orthodox (non-hasidic) social media figure from Brooklyn and kosher edibles saleswoman with a long history of attention-seeking. Since the beginning of February, FlatbushGirl has taken it upon herself to singlehandedly "free Malky", launching a harrasment campaign against anyone even remotely connected to Volvy, with no coordination with established organizations or rabbinic figures. Shockingly, FlatbushGirl seems interested primarily in attention-whoring, making herself the face of the campaign instead of the woman she's supposedly trying to help:
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This post will summarize the major events in the #FreeMalky campaign to date.

February 4th protest in Kiryas Joel​

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FlatbushGirl's opening move was to hold a protest in Kiryas Joel. This initial protest was a success, at least in terms of garnering attention. Around ten people came out to Kiryas Joel, with a frosty reception from the locals. One of the protestors had an egg thrown at her:
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A spotless FlatbushGirl soon appeared on Instagram claiming to have been egged as well:

Most of the protestors were shamefully low-energy, except for FlatbushGirl, who cheerfully walked around shouting and blocking traffic:







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Kiryas Joel Pride Parade (Aborted)​

With standard methods of protest failing to show results, FlatbushGirl decided to bring things up a notch by threatening to hold a pride march in Kiryas Joel:
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Other than "trigger the Hasidim, own the Hasidim", there seems to have been no rhyme or reason for this, and it was quickly shelved, presumably because it would alienate whatever support the campaign had in the Kiryas Joel community.

The Crowdfunding Campaign​

FlatbushGirl would also launch a crowdfunding campaign for $18,000 on The Chesed Fund, an Orthodox crowdfunding site. The site would quickly Shut It Down after a little over $4,000 was raised, allegedly under pressure from Volvy's lawyers, but more likely because a reputable frum site didn't want anything to do with a grifter like FlatbushGirl:
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Fortunately, FlatbushGirl managed to get the fundraiser up and running again on another Orthodox crowdfunding site, Fundd. As of the time of writing, this new campaign has raised over $20,000.
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Even before the deplatforming from the Chesed Fund, questions were being raised about the integrity of the fundraiser. Who would ensure the money was spent properly? "Me."

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Which rabbis back you? Is Malky even involved with this? "Send me $180 and I'll tell you."
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To be clear, I don't think FlatbushGirl is pocketing the money, if only because her goal is to get as much attention as possible. There's no reason to doubt her claim that the money will be spent on publicity stunts, although I do question the need for a hostage negotiator and Medicaid fraud whistleblower guidance professional (?):
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Feb 28th Volvy Mogging and Synagogue Occupation

FlatbushGirl would show up in Kiryas Yoel to press Volvy, confronting him as he sat in a car. A panicked Volvy fled into a nearby synagogue, with FlatbushGirl hot on his heels:

The hasidim inside were not thrilled that their synagogue had been invaded by a smartphone-wielding harpie, and demands that she put her "impure device" away and head to the women's gallery resulted in a physical altercation. Eventually the police showed up and FlatbushGirl was escorted out of the building:


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More videos from the synagogue:



March 1st Protest in Kiryas Joel​

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Back to Kiryas Joel again to protest at the wedding of one of Volvy's relatives. FlatbushGirl is getting worried that the Berkowitz's are plotting to have her arrested:

Turnout was even lower than the first protest (two people, including her), and to add insult to injury, FlatbushGirl's car was towed for being parked illegally outside the wedding hall:


She would be trespassed from the property once again:

Locals laughing off the FlatbushGirl simp seething at them in Yiddish:


The Haters​

FlatbushGirl has not gone unchallenged, with a group of weirdo Orthodox MRA nudniks organizing their own counter-demonstrations against her efforts. I'm not exactly sure how being yelled at by an instathot counts as "coercion", but more power to them.
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Current Status of #FreeMalky​

Undaunted by her failure at harassing Volvy's family, FlatbushGirl is now going after the Satmar (Zali) leadership, including the sons of the rebbe himself.

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