Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[Susanna]

Four guys, not likely that it would work. But it would piss the guys off to give you a sever beating. Scratching eyes out is also something easier said then done. Most guys don't have female length nails for one also. That and most functional people have aversity to violent behavior and action specially gauging/injuring someone's eyes.

Well yes, but these are literally life or death situations. Small chance of life if you fight back, yeah, but small is better than none. My natural reaction would be to run, of course, but if that wasn't an option I'd fight back as hard as I can manage. I certainly wouldn't be leaving the house unarmed (actually I would have made a run for the border, armed and ready to shoot any fascist who gets in my way, eight years ago, but whatever). And long nails aren't actually that good for scratching, they break right away. Neatly clipped with just a little white is what you want.

These pigs give their victims severe beatings no matter what. There's a video where one guy only spins out of the way when the "recruiter" reaches for him, and for this insult he's later shown hog-tied with two black eyes in what looks like a set from the Serbian film.

Be a man and fight back. Get a gun and shoot for centre of mass. They don't wear armour, or it would be too easy to outrun them. Barring that pepper spray. But they probably carry that too, so don't let them get too close. And if you have no other options, be a literal hero and grenade yourself. You're dead either way, but if you can take a "recruitment squad" down with you you'll save many other men's lives, and secure a feast in valhall or seventy-two virgins or whatever you prefer.

 

[The Ugly One]

No Hilux has ever had a GM small block engine, or a Toyota engine derived from one, at any point in time in history. I don't even think the Toyota truck has ever even had a pushrod engine in its entire history of being.

The Type A engine used in the Toyota G1 was a pushrod engine. The R series engine used in Toyota trucks from the 50s was a pushrod engine until a SOHC variant was introduced in the 1960s. The first Hilux used a 2R engine, which was an OHV engine.

 

[Nicholas II of Russia]

They usually have lists. With names and details. In other words, pull out a pepper spray, and you might get away, but you’ll likely risk arrest by the SBU or Nazi hoodlums.

The mayor of Odessa recently bragged that “his boys” Nazi gangs basically, had visited over 5000 people who were deemed to be friendly to Russia, and hundreds of those got sentenced in courts afterwards.

But remember, they are the good guys and the heroes of democracy in Europe.

 

[Midwit]

No Hilux has ever had a GM small block engine, or a Toyota engine derived from one, at any point in time in history.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Neocon darling Senator Marco Rubio admits he always knew Ukraine was fucked but didn't want to say it publicly.

For a moment I thought they had killed the dog or something, thankfully its just cringe propaganda.

Piggers: hold my beer

Смерть врагу

Смерть фашизму, свобода котики!

most functional people have aversity to violent behavior

I get your explanation though, its just that snov and I would rather risk death fighting this trash than die in a pointless war.

 

[Nicholas II of Russia]

Piggers: hold my beer

That poor kitty. I hope that fucker gets shot in the head.

 

[blackjack101]

https://topwar.ru/237496-barrazhirujuschij-boepripas-skalpel-doshel-do-serijnogo-proizvodstva.html

scalpel drones set for mass production.

 

[Kuritan Deplorable]

They usually have lists. With names and details. In other words, pull out a pepper spray, and you might get away, but you’ll likely risk arrest by the SBU or Nazi hoodlums.

On top of this, handguns are restricted and generally illegal for civilians to own - Yes, yes, black markets thrive in warzones but most people still don't know how to get to the guys who deal in them, nor can they afford them. Rifles and shotguns are more available - relatively anyway, only a fraction of the population has licenses as far as I can tell. This is what happens when you don't have a right to bear arms.

This is also no small part of why they're ambushing draftees out in public, with rifles of their own rather than visiting people in their homes where they're more likely to be able to lethally defend themselves. Normal people are sitting ducks when faced down with a handful of armed guys who can box them in.

Well yes, but these are literally life or death situations.

On the long term yes, but not the short term. In that scenario, surrounded by four dudes with carbines from the looks of it, unless you're an incredibly well trained fighter and the quickest draw in the west, you're gonna be dead before you stop one, much less all four. And they won't hesitate to shoot, those guys know as well as anyone why someone wants to dodge the draft, they're not gonna put their lives or their cushy job away from the front on the line any more than it needs to be. Any short term action is immediate death for 99.9% of the population, life isn't a movie.

Meanwhile, if you go along with it, you survive at minimum the handful of weeks that processing and training takes, plus however long it takes for them to billet you to a unit, get you sent out to it, then however long it takes for that particular unit to actually be in the front lines, then you just need to survive what is for most fronts, skirmishing with the Russian probes until your unit gets rotated out. Huge amounts of manpower get committed to fronts that see very little action, or to reserve units that just get rotated in and out between the spicier fights. The only time you get stuck in unending grinding combat without relief is shitshow defenses like Adiivka. Even then, most casualties are non-fatal and get evacuated - depending on your luck, you might walk away with some scars and PTSD, worse luck and you're hobbling away or learning to live with a stump. Most people would still prefer that over being shot dead in the street after trying to run while buying eggs.

Its a morbid fucking calculus but a lotta people aren't capable of the shit required to evade once confronted like that, its draft or die then.

 

[Susanna]

weeks

training

rotated out

Oh, you sweet summer child.

 

[Scipio Neomericanus]

Honestly, it's overrated. Yeah it's a huge collection, and it has Maus, but a lot of it is in pretty poor shape and the rest are just boring cold war prototypes that were never produced. Worth visiting if you really like tanks I guess, but make sure you learn Russian first, few signs are in English.

When I was there years ago, the museum staff took a T-60 out for a roll. Even if most of the stuff they have isn't super impressive/interesting, seeing interwar armor driving around 100% made the trip out to Kubinka worth it alone. I don't know why or how often they do it though. Maybe I just got lucky?

 

[Feline Supremacist]

The only time you get stuck in unending grinding combat without relief is shitshow defenses like Adiivka.

The Ukraine has lost a million soldiers. I don't think I'm exaggerating, a million are permanently gone, either because they are dead, MIA/POW or crippled. That's why NATO wants to send in their own, why they have press gangs, why the are are leaning on women to join and why they have Colombian mercs. They've run out of bodies. Everyone in the Ukraine knows as least one person who has died in the AFU.

In this scenario I'm taking at least one of the faggots down with me. I might die but so will they.

 

[WonderWino]

Four guys, not likely that it would work. But it would piss the guys off to give you a sever beating. Scratching eyes out is also something easier said then done. Most guys don't have female length nails for one also. That and most functional people have aversity to violent behavior and action specially gauging/injuring someone's eyes.

Thats why you should always have your nails cut jagged for situations like this, so you can bull a beecher:

 

[Tumbo II]

I'm curious what the plan is when they genuinely do run out of soliders women included. Will Zelninsky finally admit defeat or will he come up with an even more retarded plan in the process?

 

[Vesperus]

https://topwar.ru/237496-barrazhirujuschij-boepripas-skalpel-doshel-do-serijnogo-proizvodstva.html

scalpel drones set for mass production.

Not sure where Brave gets it's translations from, but:

"Barrageous" is my new favourite word.

 

[Susanna]

When I was there years ago, the museum staff took a T-60 out for a roll. Even if most of the stuff they have isn't super impressive/interesting, seeing interwar armor driving around 100% made the trip out to Kubinka worth it alone. I don't know why or how often they do it though. Maybe I just got lucky?

I haven't seen that, but I'm hardly a frequent visitor. I've been there twice, and only one of those times was actually to look at tanks, the second time I was just accompanying a foreign friend who wanted to look at the air base.
You do see T-34s rolling around at events regularly enough though. Regularly enough at least for me to have ridden along in one. Mostly the reason you don't run tanks often is because they're difficult to drive, and you wear out components like the tracks and transmission very quickly, and the only way you're getting spare parts is either by cannibalising another tank, or by going to a skilled machine shop to have them make a bespoke spare part. This is a big imposition on museum budgets. Like I think Bovington is the museum with the most running vehicles, and they still only take them out for a brief circuit of a track and then tow them right back inside.

In this scenario I'm taking at least one of the faggots down with me. I might die but so will they.

I don't have any illusions about my chances, but for a man surely the odds are nonzero? If you manage to shoot one, won't the others have the sense to fucking run away?

 

[Kuritan Deplorable]

Oh, you sweet summer child.

The Ukraine has lost a million soldiers. I don't think I'm exaggerating, a million are permanently gone, either because they are dead, MIA/POW or crippled.

I see your points but you're also both talking from the perspectives of people who know just truly how bad it is. Your not talking from the perspective of someone staring down the muzzle of a recruiters gun and thinking about just how sure they are that the front is just that fucked up. That's all it takes.

And before you think "They should know better", these are the idiots who didn't leave when all this shit started, weren't smart enough to do so or capable enough to pull it off. There's a lotta shit they shoulda done, and the windows passed.

 

[The Ugly One]

I see your points but you're also both talking from the perspectives of people who know just truly how bad it is. Your not talking from the perspective of someone staring down the muzzle of a recruiters gun and thinking about just how sure they are that the front is just that fucked up. That's all it takes.

And before you think "They should know better", these are the idiots who didn't leave when all this shit started, weren't smart enough to do so or capable enough to pull it off. There's a lotta shit they shoulda done, and the windows passed.

European armies continued to press conscripts to the front through the centuries as they died by the million.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

I don't have any illusions about my chances, but for a man surely the odds are nonzero? If you manage to shoot one, won't the others have the sense to fucking run away?

It depends, especially if you manage to take one of their weapons. One doesn't necessarily need to use firearms either but the odds are against you in a close contact fight where you're outnumbered 4 or 3 to 1. Most of the conscription goons are brawlers, soccer hooligans and majority of their targets aren't.

The Ukraine is already a place where you have practice situational awareness 24/7 and there are many ordinary objects than can used as a weapon or a distraction/barrier. The population doesn't seem inclined to help press gangs either, and some actually do their best to stop them so they're more vulnerable than they admit. It'd be a slim chance, but I'd take it.

And before you think "They should know better", these are the idiots who didn't leave when all this shit started, weren't smart enough to do so or capable enough to pull it off.

There's anti-hohol partisans in Odessa so unless one is literal niggercattle there are options. But yeah, a lot are like Candide. "Things will always get better as long as there's hope". No, they won't.

 

[Kuritan Deplorable]

European armies continued to press conscripts to the front through the centuries as they died by the million.

Yes, and even then the death rate was around 5%, with 10% edging up into "catastrophic" territory. People fixate on large engagements in historical conflicts, when a lot of warfare was maneuver, skirmish, and siege.

People tend to consistently overestimate just how lethal conflict was up until the first world war - now that's one that really started to crank the numbers. Even then, if you enlisted right at the start of the war, and fought through literally the entire thing, never discharged, then your chance of death stood at about 30%, and your chance of being wounded up near 60% afaik. So even then, one in three of the men charging machine gun nests with bolt action rifles over four years of war would die, one would be hurt, and one would be fine (physically, anyway).

I haven't seen anything quite so lethal in Ukraine, and modern medical treatment means its a lot harder to actually die - wounded is a different matter, pretty easy to lose a chunk of yourself in modern guided weapon warfare.

 

[The Foxtrot]

I'm curious what the plan is when they genuinely do run out of soliders women included. Will Zelninsky finally admit defeat or will he come up with an even more retarded plan in the process?

Formal NATO intervention in Ukraine, and WW3 begins.