The American Child Torture Industry: Cons and Cults Disguised as Schools - Because Discord and Roblox aren't bad enough.

[Super Guido]

Ah, the child torture industrial complex. Lovely. What kind of a fucking loser was she such that she couldn't work at a program and got busted to fat camp duty? Forgive me for making light of this, but it's my cope. Fuck her.

She lost 300 pounds on the program and was one of the head honchos. There was no relegation - as I said, she was a true believer.

I was the only person in my group who read the assigned diet book the whole way through. It's not a bad concept, but some of the science behind it is a bit shaky. It's called The Healthy Obsession by Daniel S. Kirschenbaum.

ETA: All of this is of course piddles compared to Tranquility Bay, Turnabout Ranch, and the Elan School.

 

[Anonitolia]

This has constantly been on my mind since I found out about it via your firs thread. I struggled to read through this entire OP- after having already read through literally every single piece of information on your other thread, too- but I managed it, and fuck dude i've been nauseous ever since. Took me a full hour and it's not even that long an OP. I can't imagine what it must've been like to write it.

I'm truly sorry you had to experience anything like this, and forever grateful that most of my life has been lived very far away from anything like this. The amount of strength someone would have to get through anything like this and not only survive but thrive is practically inhuman, and it's no wonder that everyone who goes through this breaks in some significant way or another.

The worst part is that this entire industry has survived for over half a century now, as well as been publicly exposed multiple times, without so much as a scratch. The only things comparable to "scratches" are individual schools petering out, and it seems like that only happened to a few random schools in the early 2000s.

 

[doodoocaca]

So everyone's favorite Sinatra singing child trafficker Has an open Facebook. Let's check the comments!

Oh. How about that.

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

From what I'm reading about fat camps, they sound like a great way to make the problem worse in the long term.

 

[Super Guido]

From what I'm reading about fat camps, they sound like a great way to make the problem worse in the long term.

The one I went to actually had some solid ideas - they had dieticians and nutritional education. However, I was so tired from exercising all day, I took the one-on-one dietician opportunity to take a nap. I knew a lot of the stuff they taught us in the general nutrition classes, though.

Most camps weren't like that, granted. Other attendants told me one of them had cliques where the fattest kids were on the bottom of the stack. It's kind of pathetic, honestly. They're all there for the same reason, and likely none of them had a choice.

Anyway, we had arts and crafts once, but they decided it was a waste of time because we weren't exercising.

One thing the book didn't mention was that a lot of this addictive food stuff is by design. Binge eating problems aside, it's not solely "it's in your DNA that's why you're fat, so you need to eat a low sugar, low fat diet!" Obesity wasn't nearly as prevalent 60 years ago, and there's a reason for that.

Back on the topic of Elan, there's a book called Duck in a Raincoat that might be of interest to some people here. It talks about the founder, Joe Ricci, and his business dealings. I haven't read it myself, but I probably should. Archive.org has a download of it in several formats.

 

[doodoocaca]

While we're at it, let's talk about the second most brutal child torturer at WWASPS, Randall Hinton, who also has a Facebook.

Behold the faggot's mugshot.

Would you believe he, while hiding out in Puerto Rico, gave an interview with a documentary about Tranquility Bay? Would you believe he thinks he's the victim? Would you believe he lied through his fat fucking hog nosed snout?

This fucker managed to actually catch a case in Colorado in 2007 for what he did while directing Royal Gorge Academy. He did 25 days for assault and false imprisonment. Just to save you the scroll, this is the notorious asshole who did so much fucked up shit the lawsuit against him went from a to dd:

Spoiler: If only he'd suffer this himself

a. Placement in isolation for long periods of time, and at times, including being locked in small
boxes and cages, and locked up in basements, and forced to assume distorted and painful
physical positions for long periods of time;
b. Unsanitary living conditions;
c. Denial of adequate food;
d. Denial of proper medical and dental care and treatment;
e. Denial of an even minimally sufficient education;
f. Exposure to extreme (hot and cold) temperatures for long periods of time;
g. Forced physical exercise beyond their physical capacity;
h. Kicked, beaten, thrown and slammed to the ground;
i. Bound and tied by hands and/or feet;
j. Chained and locked in dog cages;
k. Forced to lie in, or wear, urine and feces as one method of punishment;
l. Forced to clean and scrub toilets and floors with their toothbrush;
m.Forced to sleep on cold concrete floors, boxspring, or plywood used as a bed with
no bedding or linens or with just a tattered and torn sleeping bag;
n. Forced to carry heavy bags of sand around their neck or logs throughout the day over many
days;
o. Forced to eat their own vomit;
p. Sexual abuse, which included forced sexual relations and acts of fondling and masturbation
performed on them;
q. Emotional abuse by subjecting student Plaintiffs to near-total parental and societal isolation.
Personal visits, correspondence, and telephone calls were either forbidden or discouraged;
r. Because of the near-total isolation from the outside world and lack of education, many
student Plaintiffs were totally unequipped to enter outside society;
s. Forced to work many hours a day, at an age below the applicable minimum age requirements
of the child labor laws of the jurisdictions in which the schools are located, and without
compensation for shoveling manure, house construction, hauling, landscaping, kitchen work,
farm work, and moving bricks;
t. Threatened severe punishment, including death, if they told anyone of their abuses and poor
living conditions;
u. Confiscated and/or kept students’ U.S. mail;
v. Deprived from using the toilet, and as a result, urinated or defecated on themselves;
w.Verbally abused by lying that their parents knew what was happening to them and
were supportive of it all;
x. Subjected to buddy system where older students were allowed to physically, mentally, and
sexually abuse younger students and manage them as part of a “cleansing” process;
y. Deprived of sleep;
z. Forced to wear the same, unwashed clothes for weeks at a time;
aa.Denied any religious affiliation, except for the Mormon faith;
bb.Forced to eat raw or rotten food;
cc.Poked and prodded with various objects while being strip searched;
dd.Forced to write false confession letters to parents to justify being sent to the
WWASPS school;

What's great is he admits to using pepper spray so much the victim said it stopped affecting him. What a fucking winner.

 

[Ultrapenguin]

People care about safe things they are told to care about, for kudos and and points and back pats, or for fun. Lashing out about something out of your control far away is a lot safer and more fun than internalizing "oh wow, millions of tortured children, I should do something", and especially easier than actually trying to fucking do something about it. Whisk in running into the typical apathy of other people, who go "uh..." because it's not on their short list of things their talking heads told them to talk about, and now you're facing moral injury,

You just said that these people are all in politicians' pockets, this has all been going on for ages and nobody's done anything about it, how exactly is this under our control? Which politician is it who's running on the anti-child torture ticket, hit us up and let us know.
Or do you think writing aggressive, methed out essays (multiple times, in multiple threads now) on an internet forum for weirdos is making a difference?

Also, that's rough, so kids are being put in shitty situations. There are kids in other countries who probably have it worse too.

I don't agree with the assumption that people should consider strangers' kids a priority in their life, just because they're kids.

Especially if someone's a childless person they aren't going to sit around wringing their hands about this; they're going to watch a documentary (which I have seen, I've seen a couple about Elan and "wilderness camps"), think "Wow that's messed up, I'll make sure nobody I knows ever sends their kids to one of these things", and they might vote on some kind of law about it if it came up, but otherwise they have their own concerns.

And do you have kids?
Because I'm going to be straight with you, between the way you communicate and how much time you clearly spend obsessing about kids, I wouldn't trust you alone around one any more than I'd trust these freaks.

 

[CoolFool]

To be blunt, how does making someone that fucked up not demonstrate how awful the school is? Why wait until someone attractive is fucked up to care? Broke-brained spergs are potentially dangerous, and still people, even if they're extremely fucking annoying or repugnant, and indeed letting broken people pile up puts everyone at risk even if we don't care about them as people. Which we should.

The other thing is this, coming from 20 years of raising a stink about this to no avail: nobody fucking cares.

I get what you're saying but disagree that people don't care. The problem is that people need clear and digestible information about what the problem is, and they also need some basic direction on what they can do or at least who they should be directing their ire to. Most people who bring up these stories are either incoherent and unreliable narrators, or they give too much information and not enough details on what can be done to stop it. Most people will give up and assume it's not true (since it sounds horrible and fake, even though it isn't), and anyone who actually takes the time to read about this will come away horrified but not knowing what to do, feeling helpless since the corruption runs so deep.

Jimmy is proof of how bad these schools are, but the average person isn't going to look at him and understand that he's the result of these terrible schools, even though it should logically click that the reason people like Jimmy are so disturbed is *because* of the schools. Even when Jimmy flat out tells everyone he meets "I have PTSD and can't maintain jobs or relationships due to being raped, tortured, and starved by adults when I was a kid", he does so in a way that your average person isn't going to know how to process. That's why every single time he told this story to other contestants, they just stare at him blankly and say "Oh, I'm sorry to hear about that..." or "that's so messed up." before trying to change the subject. It's hard to know if he's even telling the truth since he lies or exaggerates everything else, so why not this crazy sounding story too? Even if you believe him, he gives way too much information and he doesn't give any real or practical solutions; instead, he has delusional ideas that he's going to become famous, he's going to become rich, then he's going to take over the town and fire the corrupt politicians that let this happen.

At the end of the day, people are all swamped and preoccupied with their own problems, so to make them care about other issues outside of their wheel house, you have to make it easy on them and also give them realistic steps they can take to help, otherwise you can't realistically expect the average person to do anything other than think "Wow, that's terrible..." before getting back to their own lives and problems. I've researched a lot about these schools and I always come away wondering wtf can I do outside of sharing information about it when I see an opportunity to do so. Paris Hilton at least brought some attention to it, but I haven't heard anything else about it since she spoke at that government hearing.

Anyways, I'm tired so I hope this makes sense. I respect you trying to bring more attention to this but I do think how you present some of this information is very hard to follow and makes people give up half way. Maybe you could collaborate with other kiwis to make a more concise and easier to read thread? There are a lot of talented writers here that somehow manage to make very confusing stories easy to understand.

 

[doodoocaca]

Now we move onto the fucking Devil, Miguel Rodriguez, who wisely has a closed Facebook and nothing particularly identifying on it. I believe the woman with him is Alejandra "Ali" Hernandez, who I have also seen called Allison Hernandez, who similarly is afraid or smart enough to close her Facebook.

This motherfucker is on par with a cartel torturer, and I do not say that lightly. I will say that Funkytown would be a good start for this asshole. Let me be crystal clear about what a monster he is:

He beat and raped children, as a matter of course. Full stop.
His "program" was nothing but a walking track, cages, restraints for the cages, tents, barely any facilities for water, hygiene, or toilets, and privacy panels. This was so bad that MEXICO sent a helicopter overhead to see what was going on, took the now infamous videos from a nearby hilltop, and raided it in 2001. He went to Casa by the Sea and never caught a case.
He locked children in cages, sometimes tying them up in those cages. Please let this sink in. These stills are from 2001. These kids are adults our age or a little older now.

He trained children to hit the floor at the utterance of "suelo" (literally floor)
You could get thrown in a cage, beat up, or one then the other for anything - shivering, squealing in pain, vomiting, not eating one's own vomit, not successfully eating chicken bones, or shitting yourself.
Caged children were often hosed down to make them cold at night, or made to expose their skin to the sun; one was infamously made to lay on an ant hill.
Most children never successfully managed to properly beg to use the bathroom and were constantly covered in a rash from shitting themselves while walking endless laps. Girls never got menstrual supplies. All were mocked for soiled clothes.
Children would walk them barefoot after their sandals were worn away.
Nails were often cut too short out of pure malice.
Reports of him drowning children in toilet bowls or mud are easy to find.
Accounts of beatings and 'restraint' include soft tissue damage, broken bones, and dislocated joints. It was common for children to have large sections of ground away as though they fell off a bike from being shoved into the gravel or dirt.
Staffers, upon being tired from beating up kids, often sat on them for hours on end.

I'll leave you with a personal account from one such survivor of High Impact, who unfortunately killed herself many years ago.

In conclusion, Narvin Lichfield, son of Robert Lichfield, Randall Hinton, Miguel Rodriguez, and Ali Hernandez are all child abusing monsters who are fat, stupid, cannot sing, look like shit, are evil, smelly, and I would not have sex with any of them, and I hope Google and Bing pick this shit up and redirect people looking them up to Kiwi Farms so I can anonymously call them faggots.

 

[doodoocaca]

You just said that these people are all in politicians' pockets, this has all been going on for ages and nobody's done anything about it, how exactly is this under our control? Which politician is it who's running on the anti-child torture ticket, hit us up and let us know.
Or do you think writing aggressive, methed out essays (multiple times, in multiple threads now) on an internet forum for weirdos is making a difference?

Also, that's rough, so kids are being put in shitty situations. There are kids in other countries who probably have it worse too.

I don't agree with the assumption that people should consider strangers' kids a priority in their life, just because they're kids.

Especially if someone's a childless person they aren't going to sit around wringing their hands about this; they're going to watch a documentary (which I have seen, I've seen a couple about Elan and "wilderness camps"), think "Wow that's messed up, I'll make sure nobody I knows ever sends their kids to one of these things", and they might vote on some kind of law about it if it came up, but otherwise they have their own concerns.

And do you have kids?
Because I'm going to be straight with you, between the way you communicate and how much time you clearly spend obsessing about kids, I wouldn't trust you alone around one any more than I'd trust these freaks.

One person can't do shit. Enough people in a group can lobby, protest, or engage in civil disobedience. Hell, enough people engaging in slacktivism from their computers can get quite a lot done.

That said, this thread isn't about you, so if you're going to get this defensive, stop reading it.

 

[doodoocaca]

I get what you're saying but disagree that people don't care. The problem is that people need clear and digestible information about what the problem is, and they also need some basic direction on what they can do or at least who they should be directing their ire to. Most people who bring up these stories are either incoherent and unreliable narrators, or they give too much information and not enough details on what can be done to stop it. Most people will give up and assume it's not true (since it sounds horrible and fake, even though it isn't), and anyone who actually takes the time to read about this will come away horrified but not knowing what to do, feeling helpless since the corruption runs so deep.

Jimmy is proof of how bad these schools are, but the average person isn't going to look at him and understand that he's the result of these terrible schools, even though it should logically click that the reason people like Jimmy are so disturbed is *because* of the schools. Even when Jimmy flat out tells everyone he meets "I have PTSD and can't maintain jobs or relationships due to being raped, tortured, and starved by adults when I was a kid", he does so in a way that your average person isn't going to know how to process. That's why every single time he told this story to other contestants, they just stare at him blankly and say "Oh, I'm sorry to hear about that..." or "that's so messed up." before trying to change the subject. It's hard to know if he's even telling the truth since he lies or exaggerates everything else, so why not this crazy sounding story too? Even if you believe him, he gives way too much information and he doesn't give any real or practical solutions; instead, he has delusional ideas that he's going to become famous, he's going to become rich, then he's going to take over the town and fire the corrupt politicians that let this happen.

At the end of the day, people are all swamped and preoccupied with their own problems, so to make them care about other issues outside of their wheel house, you have to make it easy on them and also give them realistic steps they can take to help, otherwise you can't realistically expect the average person to do anything other than think "Wow, that's terrible..." before getting back to their own lives and problems. I've researched a lot about these schools and I always come away wondering wtf can I do outside of sharing information about it when I see an opportunity to do so. Paris Hilton at least brought some attention to it, but I haven't heard anything else about it since she spoke at that government hearing.

Let me answer with a question:
Why don't people ask what is to be done about, say, trannies, WPATH, smaller-scale pedophiles, No-Dong, or CWC? Why is it some things make people go "... wait" and others make people act without second guessing? How is it we don't need to think about preoccupations with our own problems with those subjects?

Simply put, because other people are already saying it's bad, so we go "oh, ok, that's a thing to do, say that's bad." KF itself can reinforce those things being bad, we're all more or less in accord on those things. With the program shit, it's buried, and it's rarely talked about, so we don't have a reference point of it being a popular issue, so we have to think for ourselves (oh no!) and the primary concern is "but other people aren't talking about it, what do I do?"

What you do is just literally just talk about it. When critical mass is reached, and everyone collectively thinks "oh everyone else thinks this is bad" people can start making demands, or have safety in numbers, or make phones ring off the hook, or stuff mailboxes. It really comes down to that.

Now, with some organization and a plan, you can punch over your weight, but you still need some critical mass to work with. Make enough of a stink and something will happen, but that requires persistence and not being a bitch if someone sends you threats.

Anyways, I'm tired so I hope this makes sense. I respect you trying to bring more attention to this but I do think how to present some of this information is very hard to follow and makes people give up half way. Maybe you could collaborate with other kiwis to make a more concise and easier to read thread? There are a lot of talented writers here that somehow manage to make very confusing stories easy to understand.

That'd be great but most people go "this is scary and not enough other people care for me to care" so I've had to do it myself for a long time. I always answer DMs, but nobody's made the offer. I have asked and been turned down. Would you want to help?

 

[CoolFool]

Why don't people ask what is to be done about, say, trannies, WPATH, smaller-scale pedophiles, No-Dong, or CWC? Why is it some things make people go "... wait" and others make people act without second guessing? How is it we don't need to think about preoccupations with our own problems with those subjects?

Well, let's use troons as an example. I know many of us kiwis know a lot about troons, we know about the history of how this shit started, we we know about AGPs, we know about the porn-to-troon pipeline, we know about big pharma, we know about how there isn't actually any such thing as being "transgender", it's just a mental illness, etc.

Despite knowing all this, I don't dare bring all this shit up when I talk about troons to people offline. If I did, people would get overwhelmed and tune me out or feel helpless and give up. Instead, I bring up one or two things. Likewise, all of these successful campaigns against troonism isn't due to overloading people with all the facts about troons. Instead, it is winning because people are picking one thing and sticking with it. Riley Gains probably hates troons and knows they're all perverts, but she doesn't bring that up. She sticks with just focusing on making sports fair and banning men from women's sports. Ethical surgeons against mutilating kids don't talk about troons using the wrong bathroom, they instead focus on data that show poor surgeical outcomes. Doctors focus on stupid WPATH claims. Etc.

With these awful schools, it's really hard to follow because some of these places are closed down, the people that started them are either dead or no longer working/connected, and they have zero public presence. And like I said, the victims in all of this are usually fucked up people and hard to follow. It's much harder to talk about this compared to troons where there are many different active and very public threats happening.

That's be great but most people go "this is scary and not enough other people care for me to care" so I've had to do it myself for a long time. I always answer DMs, but nobody's made the offer.

Idk, I'm about to pass out here, but I think you really should make a thread sincerely asking for help summerising this and also maybe brainstorm for ideas on what would be the best thing to focus on in order to get more people talking about this. You can make a serious thread and report anyone that tries to shit it up or whatever, the mods are pretty chill and will gladly threadban anyone trying to disrupt a serious post.

 

[AfghanBlue]

Funny you mention that, tranny-specific programs are now opening up! When I have the energy to hate myself enough to look into programs that take in transkids I'll edit OP or make another post and link to it or something.

Also, of note, they're preying on Autists something fierce now, and even doing "Trauma-aware therapy" where they just bully already traumatized kids. r/troubledteens (yes, reddit, it sucks, shit sucks, this all sucks) is more or less the nexus of survivors right now because BreakingCodeSilence/Unsilenced had an internecine fight over who 'owned' BreakingCodeSilence because Katie Mac is a cunt, SEO is a thing, and the internet tends to funnel people through reddit.

What the fuck, it's still going on? I thought all this shit had been canned since the very early 2000s

 

[doodoocaca]

Well, let's use troons as an example. I know many of us kiwis know a lot about troons, we know about the history of how this shit started, we we know about AGPs, we know about the porn-to-troon pipeline, we know about big pharma, we know about how there isn't actually any such thing as being "transgender", it's just a mental illness, etc.

Despite knowing all this, I don't dare bring all this shit up when I talk about troons to people offline. If I did, people would get overwhelmed and tune me out or feel helpless and give up. Instead, I bring up one or two things. Likewise, all of these successful campaigns against troonism isn't due to overloading people with all the facts about troons. Instead, it is winning because people are picking one thing and sticking with it. Riley Gains probably hates troons and knows they're all perverts, but she doesn't bring that up. She sticks with just focusing on making sports fair and banning men from women's sports. Ethical surgeons against mutilating kids don't talk about troons using the wrong bathroom, they instead focus on data that show poor surgeical outcomes. Doctors focus on stupid WPATH claims. Etc.

With these awful schools, it's really hard to follow because some of these places are closed down, the people that started them are either dead or no longer working/connected, and they have zero public presence. And like I said, the victims in all of this are usually fucked up people and hard to follow. It's much harder to talk about this compared to troons where there are many different active and very public threats happening.

In person you can't drop a big fat file of stuff for people to come back and read later, it's a conversation, so of course you have to drop things here and there. It also depends on your relationship with the person in question and if they're gigantic faggots about politics and it's a waste of time to try.

In person, yes, I've had luck, and even privately online with people I know well or have known in person before moving. It's about pacing, you're right, and also planting seeds, and bringing stuff up when it's topical, as in shit hit the news you can capitalize on to make your point. I've seen that discussing troonshit is a lot easier than programshit for a lot of reasons, many likely personal. Yes, I fucking hate these places, yes, it's personal, no, I don't care if some autist says I'm not allowed to post around him if I'm too mad at someone torturing kids. He's free to be a faggot, I'm free to rage post about these monsters. For shame that these monsters are free to continue abusing kids.

With these programs, it's such a big, huge fucking can of worms, to the point I don't think anyone really knows how to start, so I figured "ok, I can start from the very beginning" to try to establish a case (for a post on a forum, not a verbal conversation!) that it exists, and it's a notable problem worth one's time, and try to head off people asking how it started. I'm not going to say I know how to give the elevator pitch of "scammy cult-schools con parents and torture kids, please help" except in such terms, because it's so strange and out of the blue and titanically bad that it eludes simple one-liners or "tl;dr-ing."

Would that work better? I'll do that if you really think so. Is that still useful? When do I mention the kind of harm, the magnitude of it, or the corruption and grift that lets them work? This is hard to accurately convey in a single word. Maybe trafficking would work? I thought "the torture industry" would work, because what else is this?

The reason I talk about former schools (though PCS is still very much operating) is we have information on them to talk about. They are all very secretive so newer programs are very hard to know much about without literal moles with hidden cameras, and that can't be discussed until after the end of an investigation or possible legal case when that happens. While I wish I could wave a wand to fill them with cameras, I'd rather use that wand to make these places cease to exist.

Idk, I'm about to pass out here, but I think you really should make a thread sincerely asking for help summerising this and also maybe brainstorm for ideas on what would be the best thing to focus on in order to get more people talking about this. You can make a serious thread and report anyone that tries to shit it up or whatever, the mods are pretty chill and will gladly threadban anyone trying to disrupt a serious post.

Sure, but where? Prospering grounds? This isn't very funny, unless Narvin Lichfield is enough of a meme to mock, which he might be, but then it would just be a thread about what a faggot he is.

Sue Scheff was a bit of a cow, but she's quiet now. About 15 years ago she'd spamdex Google's then primitive SEO with blogspots about her critics, get PIs to find who among them had cheating spouses, try to harass them, and sue people who couldn't respond and brag about winning by default while the victim was in a Katrina trailer before she declared bankruptcy and shrugged. On the other hand, she is party to this, made a fortune along the way, and put her own kids in programs since she's a munchie and her Olympic hopeful daughter broke a collarbone so she became 'troubled' so Sue should stay an attention whore.

What the fuck, it's still going on? I thought all this shit had been canned since the very early 2000s

That's what a lot of people think. They just changed names, got better at hiding things, found the right palms to grease, and pivoted to taking wards of the state and presenting themselves as private, high-quality psychiatric care for current-trendy-things like autism and gendershit.

 

[Richard_Wetpasta]

I worked at a troubled teen place(adjudicated criminal behavioral facility) for a few years. At this particular spot it was usually a parole agreement that theyd go there rather than get tried as adults for these crimes. I didnt really see any stuff like this at the facility in question but I do believe they might have kept kids there regardless of if we were actually helpful or not for profit reasons. An average of 1.5 years or so.

There are some things I think the location was genuinely helpful with and others I think were a byproduct of courts trying to extend their stay in the system. It was a large factor in why I quit.

Another complaint I had is theyd often send the kids to local doctors, and the doctors in the area absolutely fucking loved giving these kids fucking intense med regimines. I think the doctors were exploiting the system bad.

 

[Super Guido]

I worked at a troubled teen place(adjudicated criminal behavioral facility) for few years. At this particular spot it was usually a parole agreement that theyd go there rather than get tried as adults for these crimes. I didnt really see any stuff like this at the facility in question but I do believe they might have kept kids there regardless of if we were actually helpful or not for profit reasons. An average of 1.5 years or so.

There are some things I think the location was genuinely helpful with and others I think were a byproduct of courts trying to extend their stay in the system. It was a large factor in why I quit.

That's not an uncommon occurrence with the TTI stuff. Plea deals that they'll go to some of these facilities, and a lot of times it ends up being worse than what they would have gotten if they just went to prison for a couple years or something.

 

[No Batty Boys in Jamaica]

It's amazing how much child abuse you can get away with in the US if the kid has a diagnosis or behavior problems, or you're a religious organization.

You ever heard of the Judge Rotenberg Center?

 

[doodoocaca]

I worked at a troubled teen place(adjudicated criminal behavioral facility) for a few years. At this particular spot it was usually a parole agreement that theyd go there rather than get tried as adults for these crimes. I didnt really see any stuff like this at the facility in question but I do believe they might have kept kids there regardless of if we were actually helpful or not for profit reasons. An average of 1.5 years or so.

There are some things I think the location was genuinely helpful with and others I think were a byproduct of courts trying to extend their stay in the system. It was a large factor in why I quit.

Another complaint I had is theyd often send the kids to local doctors, and the doctors in the area absolutely fucking loved giving these kids fucking intense med regimines. I think the doctors were exploiting the system bad.

Thanks for coming forward with this. Shit ain't easy. They also do similar things to adults, though they don't go as far for obvious reasons. I have seen lines pushed pretty far though.

That's not an uncommon occurrence with the TTI stuff. Plea deals that they'll go to some of these facilities, and a lot of times it ends up being worse than what they would have gotten if they just went to prison for a couple years or something.

Cash for Kids out of Pennsylvania?

You ever heard of the Judge Rotenberg Center?

Yes. Dr Israel and all. And the guy who called in fake orders to randomly shock people to prove it was bullshit. And the kid who was tied down and shocked over and over. Fucking unbelievable.

This has constantly been on my mind since I found out about it via your firs thread. I struggled to read through this entire OP- after having already read through literally every single piece of information on your other thread, too- but I managed it, and fuck dude i've been nauseous ever since. Took me a full hour and it's not even that long an OP. I can't imagine what it must've been like to write it.

I'm truly sorry you had to experience anything like this, and forever grateful that most of my life has been lived very far away from anything like this. The amount of strength someone would have to get through anything like this and not only survive but thrive is practically inhuman, and it's no wonder that everyone who goes through this breaks in some significant way or another.

The worst part is that this entire industry has survived for over half a century now, as well as been publicly exposed multiple times, without so much as a scratch. The only things comparable to "scratches" are individual schools petering out, and it seems like that only happened to a few random schools in the early 2000s.

Missed this while I was rage posting some people with easy to find Facebooks. May I ask how much of this was infodumping or bad formatting or bad writing, vs just the shitty nature of the subject matter?

If it makes you feel better, the industry contracted from its peak in the late 90s/early 00s. MySpace and later Facebook helped survivors connect and organize, Fornits (which is mostly up as an archive of its former self, but still there!) paved a lot of the way, and the great recession took a big chunk out of them. They're building back up now, though, and even if it was all gone, the perps need to be brought to justice and people need to know and never forget.

There's also Paris Hilton of all people as the patron of this current movement and highest profile victim. Clown world.

I mean, yeah, shit sucks, makes you weird, makes you appreciate shitposting, makes you appreciate absolute freedom and absolute free speech, but if even one person listens it helps.

If you go talk about this, perhaps not linking to KF but using resources like the documentary, www.unsilenced.org, or the GAO report, that would help a lot. The more people talk, the faster things start to happen. It takes persistence, but shavings make a pile.

 

[Super Guido]

Cash for Kids out of Pennsylvania?

I wasn't thinking of that one - Joe Nobody was caught crossing state lines with weed, so him going to Elan instead of prison was part of the plea deal. His buddy got off easy, as he opted to go to prison instead of Elan.

That being said, one of the most fucked up things about the Cash for Kids thing was one of the parents basically set up her kid to get scared straight with a visit from the cops, and ended up with more than she bargained for. They came up with a list of bullshit charges, and the rest is history. He was the one that ended up committing suicide.

I can't find the source for that last bit. I could have sworn Edward Kenzakoski was made an example of...

 

[Richard_Wetpasta]

Thanks for coming forward with this. Shit ain't easy. They also do similar things to adults, though they don't go as far for obvious reasons. I have seen lines pushed pretty far though.

The kids I thought it was genuinely helpful for were primarily the teenage sex offenders. That crowd needs the tight regimenting. Because they legally cannot go home as most of them are younger variants of the nick bates types who did shit to their siblings. Even once they "graduate" from these programs. That particular crowd to my knowledge would either wind up in group houses afterwards or the state to my knowledge did shifty shit shuffling them into the foster care system.(the state doesnt disclose that to foster parents) I don't know the logistics 100 percent. Best case scenario for that crowd is the family has consulted with extended family for custody afterwards(like grandparents)