Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Happy women’s day in Russia!

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The snipers also congratulate the women of Russia:



As does the artillery!



If you have access to Sputnik, check it out btw: They had a cool story about a former ballerina who joined the SMO and was made second in command of her unit. Her call sign? Valkyrie.

(If upload it here, but the site doesn’t like videos more than 30 seconds long.)
 
Russian aesthetics sometimes give me an existential crisis, as the impression I get is that I'd live and die with things unchanged and my grandmother's toaster outliving me.

Like, here everything moves in trends with each generation having their own chosen house colors and aesthetics and refusing to live in a home with older aesthetics or have appliances or furniture that's old fashioned. So seeing stuff like that immediately strikes me as outdated and old and overdue for replacement, while I'm simultaneously aware that these are timeless aesthetics that will continue to last and are a sign of a healthy and lasting frugal society - unlike the one I live in.

That is the globo-homo's worst nightmare. Owning something for generations. For all the bad you can put on commies, they at least made better machines than the globo-shlomo. If its not broken, don't waste money replacing it, is the good old foil to CONSOOOOOOM!
 
So Russian government defence can still develop and build missles with advanced guiding system electronics in them, but at least avrage citizen cannot eat at Mcdonalds and by games at Steam.

So what sanctions supposed to do again?

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So Russian government defence can still develop and build missles with advanced guiding system electronics in them, but at least avrage citizen cannot eat at Mcdonalds and by games at Steam.
We have an off-brand Mcdonalds (fries became worse, otherwise no difference) and can still buy games at Steam.
 
The problem is that they aren't ideologically opposed to wars on behalf of our oligarchs; look how they were easily manipulated into believing that in order for the Second Coming to occur jews and their temple are an absolute prerequisite so we must send billions of our tax payer's money to Israel and defend it with our lives, despite that being an absolute heresy in every iteration of legit Christianity.
If you actually ask the retarded evangelical types who support Israel why they do the vast majority of them don't know anything about any of that insane shit. I feel like this is the "blacks won't take the jab because of Tuskegee" of evangelical Christians. I've talked to people about this irl and it boils down to "Jesus was jewish and jews were in the Old Testament so jews are great" mixed in with brainwashing convincing them that jews - including secular jews - are somehow relevant in Christianity in a vague way they can't answer if you drill down far enough with your questioning.

Honestly there's probably more of them that believe that narrative now because of people regurgitating it lately.
A lot of them are also extremely susceptible into conflating Russia = USSR because their boomer/Gen X dads still sperg about commies. Cold War anti-USSR propaganda has been dusted off, regurgitated, applied and spread by the US/EU against Russia, when the reality is they're closer to anarcho-capitalists.
It's the patriotism = undying loyalty to the gubmint brainwashing there rather than Cold Warrior syndrome from what I've seen.
 
rather than Cold Warrior syndrome
We had zoomers here on KF sperg about the KGB and communists, and when you remind them the KGB is no more in Russia they start posting a failed hohol Soviet journo that was never KGB and his ramblings about the secret inner workings and deeds of the KGB in America-something he has no knowledge of. It was just a lame 1980s glownigger gay op and hohol grift, a thing in their Gen X parent's days; hence my reference to it.
 
If you actually ask the retarded evangelical types who support Israel why they do the vast majority of them don't know anything about any of that insane shit. I feel like this is the "blacks won't take the jab because of Tuskegee" of evangelical Christians. I've talked to people about this irl and it boils down to "Jesus was jewish and jews were in the Old Testament so jews are great" mixed in with brainwashing convincing them that jews - including secular jews - are somehow relevant in Christianity in a vague way they can't answer if you drill down far enough with your questioning.

Honestly there's probably more of them that believe that narrative now because of people regurgitating it lately.
...but Jesus actually was jewish.

Christianity as such was founded by Saul of Tarsus a century after Jesus' death. He wrote most of the New Testament, and collected the writings of some followers of Jesus to fill out the page count and establish a continuity to the jewish sects founded by the apostles. But what Jesus actually taught was simply a hellenised form of judaism. Membership in his church was only open to jews. Part of why the latter religion christianity was so much more successful than the original jewish sects bearing that name was because Saul opened up membership to gentiles by inventing doctrine specifically to allow that. His religion later absorbed most of the jewish christians and together the two became the modern orthodox church which would later splinter into catholicism, lutheranism, and oriental christianity/"coptics". But Jesus himself never allowed gentiles to join his sect, and what he preached decidedly was not christianity.
 
...but Jesus actually was jewish.
What's heretical is that the third temple and the present state of Israel in particular are required for the Second Coming. Christian doctrine is closer to orthodox Judaism in believing that it is Christ/the Messiah who will establish the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth, and it will not be man made, eg, the state of Israel as proclaimed by man has nothing to do with the Second Coming (or first is you are an orthodox jew).

Most people don't get a serious religious instruction in the US. What I mean is there's no study of the Bible and the various books, what they say and why they're accepted or not for children. Getting a Jesuit religious education if you are a Catholic child is uncommon; most Catholic schools are run by nuns and lay teachers. I know a lot about Torah because we has a priest that spent a lot of time on it, saying this is what Jesus and his followers were familiar with, so to understand the Gospels we needed to understand that too.

It's also why there's disdain for Christians who start following orthodox jewish practices, like Shabbat, as they do so from a very distorted understanding of what it means to be a Christian, and the teachings of Jesus. His was a rejection of the law as the path to heaven, and God's grace. To put it simply, its your deeds and acceptance of the Lord that will earn you a place in heaven, not making sure you don't mix milk and meat. While you may chose to do so, you can't demand it of others, and it should not stop you from behaving as a good Christian should-the parable of the Good Samaritan comes to mind. Jews and Samaritans hated each other at this time, and a Kohen and a Levite ignore a jew who had been attacked and badly injured by bandits on the road to Jericho, which was notorious for the criminals that preyed on travelers. A Samaritan comes across the injured man and helps him. Jesus said this is how one inherits eternal life; by being a good person, doing good deeds and helping one's neighbor, not by adhering to various obscure laws and irrelevant restrictions.

Of course some Christian sects take this to a ridiculous extreme but that's a topic for a different thread.
 
WWII raised America from the Great Depression not FDR. That's why they're desperate to start another war in Europe right now.
I forget the reason why but I believe not even that is technically correct. We got out of it in the 50s or 60s.

...but Jesus actually was jewish.

Christianity as such was founded by Saul of Tarsus a century after Jesus' death. He wrote most of the New Testament, and collected the writings of some followers of Jesus to fill out the page count and establish a continuity to the jewish sects founded by the apostles. But what Jesus actually taught was simply a hellenised form of judaism. Membership in his church was only open to jews. Part of why the latter religion christianity was so much more successful than the original jewish sects bearing that name was because Saul opened up membership to gentiles by inventing doctrine specifically to allow that. His religion later absorbed most of the jewish christians and together the two became the modern orthodox church which would later splinter into catholicism, lutheranism, and oriental christianity/"coptics". But Jesus himself never allowed gentiles to join his sect, and what he preached decidedly was not christianity.


Just John the Baptist lead the way for Jesus, Jesus lead the way for Paul.
 
Membership in his church was only open to jews.
Romans 2:28-29, “For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.”

Romans 11:11-31
11 So I ask, did they stumble in order that they might fall? By no means! Rather, through their trespass salvation has come to the Gentiles, so as to make Israel jealous. 12 Now if their trespass means riches for the world, and if their failure means riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their full inclusion[a] mean!

13 Now I am speaking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry 14 in order somehow to make my fellow Jews jealous, and thus save some of them. 15 For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead? 16 If the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, so is the whole lump, and if the root is holy, so are the branches.

17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root of the olive tree, 18 do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you.

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Jesus Himself:
Matthew: 21
33 “Listen to another parable: There was a landowner who planted a vineyard. He put a wall around it, dug a winepress in it and built a watchtower. Then he rented the vineyard to some farmers and moved to another place. 34 When the harvest time approached, he sent his servants to the tenants to collect his fruit.

35 “The tenants seized his servants; they beat one, killed another, and stoned a third. 36 Then he sent other servants to them, more than the first time, and the tenants treated them the same way. 37 Last of all, he sent his son to them. ‘They will respect my son,’ he said.

38 “But when the tenants saw the son, they said to each other, ‘This is the heir. Come, let’s kill him and take his inheritance.’ 39 So they took him and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him.

40 “Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those tenants?”

41 “He will bring those wretches to a wretched end,” they replied, “and he will rent the vineyard to other tenants, who will give him his share of the crop at harvest time.”


- Talking about after his own death.

- The only thing you were remotely correct about was him not having Gentiles within His immediate company, but the Samaritan woman was forgiven of her sins - and wasn't Jewish.
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And, furthermore, in Acts, at the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, Gentiles began to manifest the gifts of the spirit that Jesus told His disciples would come.

- In short, know what you're speaking of.

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Now, why did I bring that up? The Orthodox church believes much of this and explained it rather well to me when I met some of them at a barber shop. So, please understand the concepts of the Orthodox church and, funnily enough, the Russian Orthodox church is likely closer to the original belief systems in regard to this. Sure, there's more pomp and pageant, but the actual beliefs ascribed DO come from Saul of Tarsus and so on. Also, fun fact, Russia has bishops blessing some of their ammunition, tanks, and missiles.

So, a history lesson and current events!
 
I forget the reason why but I believe not even that is technically correct. We got out of it in the 50s or 60s.
It wasn't just the full economic mobilization for the actual war that did it but post-war Marshall Plan that brought 50 years of prosperity to the US. All of Europe was basically destroyed and millions of men killed while the US was untouched with comparatively small manpower losses. The US rebuilt Europe and got repaid in spades. The only thing that might prevent a collapsed and prolonged Greater Depression now is a repeat.
 
Romans 2:28-29, “For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.”

Romans 11:11-31
11 So I ask, did they stumble in order that they might fall? By no means! Rather, through their trespass salvation has come to the Gentiles, so as to make Israel jealous. 12 Now if their trespass means riches for the world, and if their failure means riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their full inclusion[a] mean!

13 Now I am speaking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry 14 in order somehow to make my fellow Jews jealous, and thus save some of them. 15 For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead? 16 If the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, so is the whole lump, and if the root is holy, so are the branches.

17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root of the olive tree, 18 do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you.

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Jesus Himself:
Matthew: 21
33 “Listen to another parable: There was a landowner who planted a vineyard. He put a wall around it, dug a winepress in it and built a watchtower. Then he rented the vineyard to some farmers and moved to another place. 34 When the harvest time approached, he sent his servants to the tenants to collect his fruit.

35 “The tenants seized his servants; they beat one, killed another, and stoned a third. 36 Then he sent other servants to them, more than the first time, and the tenants treated them the same way. 37 Last of all, he sent his son to them. ‘They will respect my son,’ he said.

38 “But when the tenants saw the son, they said to each other, ‘This is the heir. Come, let’s kill him and take his inheritance.’ 39 So they took him and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him.

40 “Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those tenants?”

41 “He will bring those wretches to a wretched end,” they replied, “and he will rent the vineyard to other tenants, who will give him his share of the crop at harvest time.”


- Talking about after his own death.

- The only thing you were remotely correct about was him not having Gentiles within His immediate company, but the Samaritan woman was forgiven of her sins - and wasn't Jewish.
------

And, furthermore, in Acts, at the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, Gentiles began to manifest the gifts of the spirit that Jesus told His disciples would come.

- In short, know what you're speaking of.

--------------------------------------

Now, why did I bring that up? The Orthodox church believes much of this and explained it rather well to me when I met some of them at a barber shop. So, please understand the concepts of the Orthodox church and, funnily enough, the Russian Orthodox church is likely closer to the original belief systems in regard to this. Sure, there's more pomp and pageant, but the actual beliefs ascribed DO come from Saul of Tarsus and so on. Also, fun fact, Russia has bishops blessing some of their ammunition, tanks, and missiles.

So, a history lesson and current events!
You're quoting the New Testament, which was written by Saul. Of course it's going to back his "gentiles are okay too" agenda. What you need to look at are the writings of historians active in Judea and the eastern empire at this time. These make clear that the first iteration of christianity was very much not open to gentiles, they instead flocked to cults like Sol Invictus.
 
but at least avrage citizen cannot eat at Mcdonalds and by games at Steam
Does he know?

What I mean is there's no study of the Bible and the various books, what they say and why they're accepted or not for children.
I know like atleast 10 christians of different denominations that can disagree with you on that. Thats anecdotal thou.

B-sides, and also whatabout russia, which only had bible studies introduced in schools like 3-4 years ago
 
What you need to look at are the writings of historians active in Judea and the eastern empire at this time. These make clear that the first iteration of christianity was very much not open to gentiles, they instead flocked to cults like Sol Invictus.
Josephus is the first historian to make mention of Jesus and Christians, he clearly states the opposite.
About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he was one who performed surprising deeds and was a teacher of such people as accept the truth gladly. He won over many Jews and many of the Greeks. He was the Christ. And when, upon the accusation of the principal men among us, Pilate had condemned him to a cross, those who had first come to love him did not cease. He appeared to them spending a third day restored to life, for the prophets of God had foretold these things and a thousand other marvels about him. And the tribe of the Christians, so called after him, has still to this day not disappeared.
Given that Josephus himself was Jewish I think he had a better understanding of the situation than any historian on the issue.
 
We had zoomers here on KF sperg about the KGB and communists, and when you remind them the KGB is no more in Russia they start posting a failed hohol Soviet journo that was never KGB and his ramblings about the secret inner workings and deeds of the KGB in America-something he has no knowledge of. It was just a lame 1980s glownigger gay op and hohol grift, a thing in their Gen X parent's days; hence my reference to it.
The thing is, all that stuff literally happened, but in the 30s and 40s. Though it's crazy to watch Cold War narrative programming and WW2 narrative programming collide and splatter everywhere.

Back to Ukraine, though: does anyone know if the ground has thawed yet?
 
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