Off-Topic MtFs in Women's Sports / Title IX Demolition

The Beryl Ackroyd Cup is the female pre-season soccer competition in north-west Sydney.

Over the past weekend this team, The Flying Bats, (including five trans-women) won the grand final 4-0.

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Outrage as Dutch transgender darts player Noa-Lynn van Leuven wins PDC Women's Series event in Wigan - prompting two of her female team mates to resign and tennis ace Martina Navratilova to say women have 'short end of the stick'​

Transgender darts player Noa-Lynn van Leuven has sparked outrage after winning the PDC Women's Series - prompting two of her female team mates to resign and tennis ace Martina Navratilova to say women have the 'short end of the stick'.

At event two of the PDC Women's Series 2024 in Wigan, the 27-year-old defeated World No 1 Beau Greaves in the quarter-finals before besting Fallon Sherrock in the semis 5-3.

Facing off against Ireland's Katie Sheldon in the final van Leuven triumphed 5-2 to claim £2,000 in prize money.

The victory comes just a week after she made history by becoming the first trans woman to win a PDC Tour event on the Challenge Tour in Hildesheim, Germany.

Outraged by the win, 18-time Grand Slam tennis champion Martina Navratilova said: 'No male bodies in women's sports please - not even in darts.'

Posting on social media platform X, Martina added: 'Again - women get the short end of the stick. And it stinks.'

Meanwhile, two of Van Leuven's Dutch compatriots have left their national team in protest following Saturday's win.

Anca Zijlstra revealed she was stepping away 'with pain in my heart' - before world number two Aileen de Graaf quit hours later in vowing to no longer represent the Netherlands.

Zijlstra, 50, wrote on Facebook: 'That moment when you're embarrassed to come out for the Dutch team, because a biological man is playing on the women's team, it's time to go.

'I have tried to accept this but I can't approve or validate this.

'I think that in sports there should be an equal and fair playing field. I hope with all my heart and for all women in sports that people come to their senses.'

De Graaf, 33, said: 'If someone doesn't feel good in the body they were born in, I encourage everyone to change that and be happy. I just don't think it's right for a biological man to throw for the women or vice-versa. It's either mixed or not.'

Facing both male and female competition, van Leuven beat seven other competitors on the way to the final before starring in the event's showpiece and clinching victory.

Last week the 27-year-old triumphed in event six of the PDC's Challenge Tour in Hildesheim, Germany

Van Leuven claimed £2,500 in prize money and further ranking points that move her up to seventh place on the PDC Challenge Tour Order of Merit.

She previously made history as the first trans woman to appear in a televised PDC event in last year's Women's World Matchplay.

After joining the Women's Series in 2022 the Dutch player explained that she might not be alive today if had she not transitioned the previous year.

'I think if I didn't have the transition, I wouldn't be here anymore,' she told the PA news agency. 'The last two years before I transitioned were terrible for me, I was depressed, I wasn't having fun in life.

'I didn't have anything to live for, I wasn't in a good space. Then I realised I am trans, I should do something with that or I am not going to make anything out of my life.

'Now I am happy again and I have so much to live for. I really love darts, I love playing it, I love meeting new people and travelling and that is all possible because of darts.'

However, van Leuven's inclusion on the Women's Series has proven contentious among some of her contemporaries with Deta Hedman calling for transgender women to be banned from playing in ranked women's tournaments.

The totes woman champion

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Glad to see this thread.

It's a goddamn shame what they're doing to actual women with this horseshit.

Women's athletics have grown exponentially over the last 20+ years with both opportunity and talent. Women's College Basketball and the LPGA are genuinely the best it's ever been. Talent pools aren't nearly as shallow and skills have improved dramatically.

Just to see all this progress potentially flushed away for progressive asspats is disheartening to say the least.
 
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I think it's good what Riley Gaines and her pals are doing, I think it is a Title IX issue and all. But I wonder if perhaps some of the messaging could be improved for the sake of the end goal of preserving single-sex sports. I find that when I tell people it's not about who's a woman and who's not, not about what is a woman and all that, rather that it's about the physical effects of sex, I get a lot further than Gaines' approach of outright calling them men and all that. And I think she's entitled to her opinion too, I don't personally care about calling them men or whatever, I'm saying purely from the perspective of the sports issue, it might not be worth pushing the entire issue right now. I don't really think it's a slippery slope, I'm describing the opposite of that, where you concede a bit of terminology on a technicality, but the meat of the issue stays the same. Call yourself what you want, but testosterone is testosterone and a rose by any other name would smell as sweet. And then just have some statistics handy about the prevalence and likelihood of a significant intersex condition, to cover the bases and answer questions about technicalities and hypotheticals. If they made it a bit less of a conservatives versus wokies thing, it might play a bit better. Annoying really because it is a piss easy call, but that's politics I suppose. I'm sure she'll win her case but I hope it's not just one chapter in a big back and forth.
 
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“Until this year, cue sports was just a hobby, something I done once, maybe twice a week, but now finding out about the Women’s snooker tour, I believe that will change,” he said at the time. “They make out as if I played snooker as a man, I was rubbish, so decided to do it in the women’s instead. I changed my gender for my wellbeing and my life, not for anything else.”
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Imagine being proud of speedrunning a Women's national and curb-stomping an 11-year-old girl in her first tournament. Get fucked
 
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RIPRhongoBongo said:
Imagine being proud of speedrunning a Women's national and curb-stomping an 11-year-old girl in her first tournament. Get fucked
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I don't necessarily disagree, but wouldn't that be more of an argument for not mixing ages in sport? That article leads to another one that quotes the IOC as saying that snooker is a precision sport and doesn't have the same issues of strength and size that something like swimming has. I don't mean to be argumentative, just that the reasoning needs to be sound. "I don't want to be near them for anything, sport or otherwise" is fine to feel, but it's going to lose in a court of law and the court of public opinion right now. This is so easily winnable if people keep their arguments straight.
 
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Why should it lose in a court of law, or in public opinion though? Women have a right to their own spaces and up until a few years ago that right was understood and respected. Physical advantages are part of the argument, but they're not the full one.

Ceding ground and nerfing that argument seems unnecessary when the optics of it are heavily in women's favour anyway.

Same with calling them men, they are men, and we shouldn't be giving them power by refusing to call them as such, again in an effort to 'improve the optics'.

The message needs to be consistent.
 
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I couldn't believe how many moronic comments I saw saying "What's the big deal? It's only darts! It's not a physical sport!" Like arm length, muscles, height, endurance, etc., aren't different between male and female bodies.
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It always boils down to that men gets to have their way, while woman gets to be used as doormats. Only now the men wears dresses amd are perverts.
 
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Why should it lose in a court of law, or in public opinion though? Women have a right to their own spaces and up until a few years ago that right was understood and respected. Physical advantages are part of the argument, but they're not the full one.

Ceding ground and nerfing that argument seems unnecessary when the optics of it are heavily in women's favour anyway.

Same with calling them men, they are men, and we shouldn't be giving them power by refusing to call them as such, again in an effort to 'improve the optics'.

The message needs to be consistent.
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I don't disagree with you, and I think it's fair to use terms like "male" and "man" interchangably for humans. I understand your point there. My concern is less with optics and more with what's most likely to win someone over, and most likely to lose for a crappy reason. "Men can't compete in women's sports" is a wider indictment of transgenderism - regardless of how correct that indictment is - and the sports issue gets lost in the weeds. "Transwomen still regularly have a significant strength and body mass advantage over AFAB athletes, thereby categorically ending sport scholarships for AFAB athletes" is full of obnoxious phrasing, I agree, BUT I have found it effective in explaining the issue to liberals and gender ideologues. Because the argument can be won using their own language, as stupid and insulting as that language may be, there are situations in which it's the most effective way.
I think it's fine to say on KF that "troons are crazy misogynists" and that stuff, it's fine to have a place to say it so I don't mean to tell you what to say here. I meant in the context of driving home the point outside this forum, and how I'm worried that female athletes could lose on a very stupid technicality. And I could well be wrong! The courts might take her argument part and parcel and not get tied up in semantics. That would be great.
 
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I understand where you are coming from, but it is optics. The left gains power by forcing their opponents to play their game, for example "are you saying this person is not a woman?!?!" :philthy:

This usually works for a while as normies will try to stay out of the firing line by throwing 'Nazis' who don't censor themselves under the bus, but eventually the dam breaks.

When JKRowling is openly calling India Willoughby an AGP man the dam has broken for normies to follow suit.

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To add, I wouldn't recommend going out into the wild and calling them 'tranny freaks' or anything, that would be bad for optics and you would be thrown straight to the wolves. But insisting on pointing out that they are men, and reinforcing the point that this is about keeping men out of womens spaces, is absolutely the right path imo.
 
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So even after stalling repeatedly since 2022, the Biden admin is not going to reveal their shiny new changes to Title IX concerning males competing against females in their own sporting events until after the election.

“It seems to be too much of a hot topic.”
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No kidding. Cowards. Even alotta Lefties are not ok with men in women's sports.

 
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His deadlift is not impressive for a competitive female let alone male. His squat is fine for a female, better than mine, but not one that would stand out. His bench is the most competitive but not going to win him any records.
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these are in pounds right? these are dogshit numbers, no wonder he has to compete with women.
 
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No kidding. Cowards. Even alotta Lefties are not ok with men in women's sports.
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I was shocked when I recently heard on the radio that Caitlyn Jenner reportedly spoke against MTFs in women's sports. Jenner being a former athlete probably has more of a credible perspective on the topic than the average armchair activist, but it was shocking, if not based, to hear about this assuming it's true and accurate.
 
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