Culture AP: Irish prime minister concedes defeat in vote over constitutional amendments about family and women - Irish Prime Minister Leo Varadkar said voters had delivered “two wallops” to the government.

Irish prime minister concedes defeat in vote over constitutional amendments about family and women
Associated Press (archive.ph)
By Michael Kealy and Brian Melley
2024-03-09 17:38:13GMT

DUBLIN (AP) — Irish Prime Minister Leo Varadkar conceded defeat Saturday as two constitutional amendments he supported that would have broadened the definition of family and removed language about a woman’s role in the home were headed toward rejection in early vote tallies.

Varadkar, who pushed the vote to enshrine gender equality in the constitution by removing “very old-fashioned language” and tried to recognize the realities of modern family life, said voters had delivered “two wallops” to the government.

“Clearly we got it wrong,” he said. “While the old adage is that success has many fathers and failure is an orphan, I think when you lose by this kind of margin, there are a lot of people who got this wrong and I am certainly one of them.”

Opponents argued that the wording of the changes in the constitution was poorly thought out — an argument that appeared to have gained traction in the final days of the campaign. Voters said they were confused by the questions and others said they feared changes would lead to unintended consequences.

The referendum was viewed as part of Ireland’s evolution from a conservative, overwhelmingly Roman Catholic country in which divorce and abortion were illegal, to an increasingly diverse and socially liberal society. The proportion of residents who are Catholic fell from 94.9% in 1961 to 69% in 2022, according to the Central Statistics Office.

The social transformation has been reflected in a series of changes to Ireland’s Constitution, which dates from 1937, though the country was not formally known as the Republic of Ireland until 1949. Irish voters legalized divorce in a 1995 referendum, backed same-sex marriage in a 2015 vote and repealed a ban on abortions in 2018.

The first question dealt with a part of the constitution that pledges to protect the family as the primary unit of society. Voters were asked to remove a reference to marriage as the basis “on which the family is founded” and replace it with a clause that said families can be founded “on marriage or on other durable relationships.” If passed, it would have been the constitution’s 39th amendment.

A proposed 40th amendment would have removed a reference that a woman’s place in the home offered a common good that could not be provided by the state and delete a statement that said mothers shouldn’t be obligated to work out of economic necessity if it would neglect their duties at home. It would have added a clause saying the state will strive to support “the provision of care by members of a family to one another.”

Varadkar said his camp hadn’t convinced people of the need for the vote never mind issues over how the questions were worded. Supporters of the amendment and opponents said the government had failed to explain why change was necessary or mount a robust campaign.

“The government misjudged the mood of the electorate and put before them proposals which they didn’t explain and proposals which could have serious consequences,” Sen. Michael McDowell, an independent who opposed both measures, told Irish broadcaster RTE.

Labour Party Leader Ivana Bacik told RTE that she supported the measures despite concerns over their wording but said the government had run a lackluster campaign.

The debate was less charged than the arguments over abortion and gay marriage. Ireland’s main political parties all supported the changes, including centrist government coalition partners Fianna Fail and Fine Gael and the biggest opposition party, Sinn Fein.

One political party that called for “no” votes was Aontú, a traditionalist group that split from Sinn Fein over the larger party’s backing for legal abortion. Aontú leader Peadar Tóibín said the government’s wording was so vague it will lead to legal wrangles and most people “do not know what the meaning of a durable relationship is.”

The Free Legal Advice Centers, a legal charity, expressed concern the change to the section on care contained “harmful stereotypes such as the concept that the provision of care … is the private responsibility of unpaid family members without any guarantee of state support.”

Some disability rights campaigners argued the emphasis on care treats disabled people as a burden, rather than as individuals with rights that should be guaranteed by the state.

Opinion polls had suggested support for the “yes” side on both votes, but many voters remained undecided as Friday’s polling — held on International Women’s Day — neared and some said they found the issue too confusing or too hurried to change the constitution.

“I thought it was too rushed,” said Una Ui Dhuinn, a nurse in Dublin. “I felt we didn’t get enough time to think about it and read up on it. So I felt, to be on the safe side, ‘no, no’ — no change.”

Caoimhe Doyle, a doctoral student, said she voted yes to changing the definition of family but no to the care amendment because “I don’t think it was explained very well.”

“There’s a worry there that they’re removing the burden on the state to take care of families,” she said.
 
That's a high powered coping tactic, you don't see that one used very often.
Delicious to seen isn't it?
You spent a fair amount of time with $6b in NGO funds to try to convince them. Your opposition just put up posters in the last week leading up to the referendum. If you failed against that then... fuck me, the thing your arguing for might just be fucking worthless.
Doesn't matter, much like the Euro acceptance they'll be told to vote again until they get it right.
 
Potato nigga here.

The new wording they wanted to put in was extremely vague to the point it would be far too easy for the state to yank away benefits from mothers who need them, only to them turn around and grant them to Muhammed who needs his cousin to immigrate to care for his sick relative(:optimistic:), or Ayden and zir found lgbtqp family to afford housing and hrt and bad dragon dildos in the same stroke. The fact it was so soundly defeated is unsurprising.

Here's a comparison of the original and the proposed changes so you can have a look:

In Article 41.1.1° “The State recognises the Family as the natural primary and fundamental unit group of Society, and as a moral institution possessing inalienable and imprescriptible rights, antecedent and superior to all positive law.”

In Article 41.3.1° “The State pledges itself to guard with special care the institution of Marriage, on which the Family is founded, and to protect it against attack.”

The Constitution currently recognises the centrality of the family unit in society and protects the Family founded on marriage.



Article 41.2.1° “In particular, the State recognises that by her life within the home, woman gives to the State a support without which the common good cannot be achieved.”

Article 41.2.2° “The State shall, therefore, endeavour to ensure that mothers shall not be obliged by economic necessity to engage in labour to the neglect of their duties in the home.”

The Constitution currently, by Article 41.2, refers to the importance to the common good of the life of women within the home and that the State should endeavour to ensure that mothers should not have to go out to work to the neglect of their “duties in the home”.


Proposed to change Article 41.1.1° text in bold:

Article 41.1.1° “The State recognises the Family, whether founded on marriage or on other durable relationships, as the natural primary and fundamental unit group of Society, and as a moral institution possessing inalienable and imprescriptible rights, antecedent and superior to all positive law.”

Proposed to change Article 41.3.1° by deleting text shown with line through it:

“The State pledges itself to guard with special care the institution of Marriage, on which the Family is founded, and to protect it against attack.”



The Proposal
In this amendment there is one vote for two proposed changes. The proposal involves deleting Article 41.2.1° and Article 41.2.2° and inserting a new Article 42B, as shown below:

“The State recognises that the provision of care, by members of a family to one another by reason of the bonds that exist among them, gives to Society a support without which the common good cannot be achieved, and shall strive to support such provision.”


EVERY mainstream political party has posters plastered everywhere pushing for a yes vote,along with the state itself pushing for yes and having ads everywhere,including on TV and surprisingly to me at least,at the cinema in the movie pre roll ads. The fact only the Dún Laoghaire constituency voted yes says a lot, it's the most affluent area in the country and they don't have to worry about migrants and gibs like the rest of us.

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EVERY mainstream political party has posters plastered everywhere pushing for a yes vote,along with the state itself pushing for yes and having ads everywhere,including on TV and surprisingly to me at least,at the cinema in the movie pre roll ads.

It's pretty amusing that Aontú with their one TD are the only party that publicly supported a No vote but now all the other parties in opposition are claiming the Government fucked up the Yes campaign that they themselves have spent the past few weeks pushing for as well.

Ireland is currently experiencing another economic boom while at the same time being subject to the effects of the war in Ukraine and also a huge dose of being "victims of their own success" which has every cunt and their cousin flocking to the country for work.

Politically, no party really wants all that much to change but they are also trying to figure out how to retain/gain power by fooling the electorate into thinking they give a shit about their concerns.
 
"The final result of the Family referendum has been just announced at Dublin Castle with 1,021,546 people, or 67.7% of voters, voting No and 487,564 people, or 32.3%, voting Yes." - per RTE news.

Of 39 total constituencies 38 voted No and the only one that scraped a Yes vote was Dún Laoighaire which is a fairly affluent area.
So, when does the copium about the women who voted against their own interests REALLY start to flow?

As in they were too stupid and too sheltered and too backwards to be trusted to fight the patriarchy and should just do as their betters say and vote THIS way (but that sentiment itself is NOT sexism!)
 
At least he admitted he was wrong instead of calling everyone a "racist misogynist", I'll give him that.
>"""""""Irish""""""" prime minister
>it's a pajeet
Unlike the others (Sunak, Sadiq Khan), I didn't even know Leo was a jeet right off the bat. If I had to wager a guess, I would've thought that he was a turk or something.
 
A proposed 40th amendment would have removed a reference that a woman’s place in the home offered a common good that could not be provided by the state and delete a statement that said mothers shouldn’t be obligated to work out of economic necessity if it would neglect their duties at home. It would have added a clause saying the state will strive to support “the provision of care by members of a family to one another.”
I remember an earlier article on the subject that went for several paragraphs about the other proposed amendment and glibly breezed by this one, providing a shitty pro-woman paraphrase instead of the real anti-woman wording. Behead journos.

Congrats potatoniggers.
 
Great news and great job to the people of the country.

European governments, political classes and other elites once again shown to be totally out of touch with the people. So of course they will double down and at least continue supporting things like this whenever and however they can. If they don't find a way to override it outright.
 
The fact that all major parties campaigned for the "yes" should demonstrate they really are all the same faction with a different paintjob.
It's like that in many western European countries. The established parties all have the same globalist opinion on the important topics and then are surprised when eventually a challenger arises.

This is also why they are afraid of doing more referendums. They would loose a lot more.
 
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