Poppy Diabolique / Jessica Routhier / Joshua Routhier / Bryce Routhier / Zena & Poppy: Wholesome Degenerates - Middle aged crazy tranny, his polycule of enablers and his BPD filled breakups. Abusive Parent. Fakes having multiple personalities. Serial Sex Pest. Grooms minors and SA victims with furry porn. Fired from their job for being terminally online

[Karellen]

It is fascinating how often people identifying as transwomen go after Lily under the guise of moral outrage, then it ends up that they never actually cared in the first place because they do the same creepy things as Lily, or are only in it for the money. Okay, it's only happened twice, Poppy being one of them, but it's still fascinating that it's happened twice.

Does Poppy seem to think that Lily is going to just be buddy-buddy now that Courtney is no longer friends with them? Lily can barely be bothered to be civil with their fanbase.

They’re literally the same. They use the same art / intro music for their streams. They both have have groomed someone to do (pseudo)bestiality artwork of them:

Spoiler: NSFL

Spoiler: No seriously

Spoiler: Please stop

Spoiler: I warned you

Courtesy of Little Twisty

Poppy offered a truce with Lily at one point (a)

And Poppy isn’t civil with his fan base. He was egging them on to leave. (A)

 

[turkey lurkey]

Still reading through all the characters, but liking this thread so far. It's nice to follow a new cow without having to catch up on 2000 pages first...

 

[ÁchtunaRoll]

https://archive.ph/Wo9xn

You’re a terrible person for defending Poppy to her boss about the client name leak. How would you feel if that happened to you? The fact that you didn’t say anything about it until now is disgusting. If you and Poppy didn’t get into a fight, you would be defending her disgusting behavior to this day. GTFOH. Seriously, who stays friends with someone who said their kid is “dead to them”. WTF is wrong with you.

gayfesh answered:
Let's clear up what I meant by "defending."
Poppy had written a letter to a client's parents making a case that the trans genocide is happening or on the cusp of happening, and she was so proud of this letter she wanted to share it with details anonymized. She caught everything, except a single instance of the client's first name. She posted it in a Twitter group chat I run.
Twitter doesn't let you delete DMs. "Deleting" them only hides it for you. So this letter with her client's name was available to see for every single member of the group chat. Initially, she was asking every single member of the GC to delete that message for themselves, and take a screenshot of that section of the GC to prove that they no longer saw it. But not everyone was quick on responding, and her boss was going to have to file a report for breach of confidentiality or something.
So I ended up using my alt account to boot everyone out of the GC (you can only kick people out by blocking them) and then remade the GC, ensuring that the old GC's chat history was dead and gone and that image was now inaccessible to everyone. In so doing, her boss decided that such a report was no longer necessary.
I don't know what else you would have wanted me to "say anything about" that situation at the time.
And yeah, I do share a lot of blame for enabling Poppy for so long and turning a blind eye to her worse behaviors, and yeah, I do deserve criticism for that. That's part of the reason I have been so vocal in my criticism of her now. Initially when I ended the friendship I did not intend to say anything publicly, but I couldn't sleep for four days because of the guilt. I need to work to undo what I helped cause.
But our friendship didn't end solely because of a personal affront to me. It ended because I saw her going down a horrible spiral where she didn't care who she hurt along the way. You can say "if we didn't get in a fight I'd still be defending her," but that fight was inevitable. If that fight didn't happen, it'd be because she improved her behavior, which would have been a good thing.


To be clear, while this ask was very hostile and uncharitable to me, I fully understand why. But I would ask OP and others to consider that having this attitude toward people who "got out" might discourage those who are looking for a way out. If they see that people are not going to accept them, that is another way that Z&P maintain control over them. It's like how cults work.

 

[AMHOLIO]

Holy shit, you did so much work shaping this up and getting this all in one summary. The tumblr ride is more erratic to read so this is much easier.

Only problem I have with the OP:

Courtney also alleges that around the time Poppy was getting armhole surgery, Poppy would send her unwanted photos of his “progress”.

Armholio is my cousin from Idaho into the body modification scene.

Actually, the screenshot of Z talking to the kid in the google doc is hard to read. I don't know if it's a small picture or my phone.

ETA: he privated his main and deleted his alternate personality accounts soon after this went up but they were back up later and his partner had no problem doing a 4 hr screed on the situation yesterday.

Poppy can't stop making things about himself nor can he stop putting himself out there, he needs attention and sex. He seeems like he'll be fun.

I don't know if you want to archive more things @Karellen , but it's a solid OP now and likely can be moved out of here.

which Poppy referred to as “emotional terrorism” in a tweet

This is a great username, same energy as Drive-by Trolling.

 

[Punished Neco]

I've talked about Poppy Diabolique quite a few times, sometimes in the Keffals thread, sometimes in the Sideshows thread.

During the rape accusations I was considering writing up a post but never got around to it due to being tired from work and the mountains of backstory required.
Like I really couldn't be bothered to have to explain how everyone in this polycule all just coincidentally have alternate personalities called "Headmates" and that they would tweet using different emoji's to portray which alter ego is in control at the time.

Edit, seems you covered it roughly but:
PD's original claim was that Noeh had begged them to come to the hotel room to talk things out and then raped him. The leaked DM's which came out after show that PD was in fact the one who begged Noeh to come to the hotel room against their better judgement, and probably then raped Noeh.
This is actually what sparked their falling out with Gayfesh who up until that point was on PD's side.
It was also revealed that being a supposed therapist PD will leak things told to them in confidence for gossip, because they're technically not clients.

Anyway, here's an old comparison with Charlie Rakes from the film Lawless, conveniently this hairstyle was changed soon after this comparison was originally made


PD was also first noticed over a year ago as a Keffals orbiter under the username Trans Girl Therapist, or as the joke goes: TransGirlTheRapist, which is ironic after more news has come out

@Karellen You missed the Bluesky social media, they mostly fucked off over there in the past few months actually
Saige
ZenaAndPoppy
Poppy's account requires a sign in to view and I've never signed up to that hellhole. "Saige" the one with the really unfortunate receding hairline is the one most active over there recently but at one point this is where they all fled to.

They also tried to get a homeless person Ruadhan fired from their sole source of income (selling knitted clothing online) and tried to get them kicked out from Keffals discord which was a place where people would donate living expenses to the person living in a tent (which was recently set on fire). I may be an asshole at times but I've never tried to get a homeless person cut off from all forms of monetary support.

 

[Karellen]

Holy shit, you did so much work shaping this up and getting this all in one summary. The tumblr ride is more erratic to read so this is much easier.

Only problem I have with the OP:

Armholio is my cousin from Idaho into the body modification scene.

Actually, the screenshot of Z talking to the kid in the google doc is hard to read. I don't know if it's a small picture or my phone.


Poppy can't stop making things about himself nor can he stop putting himself out there, he needs attention and sex. He seeems like he'll be fun.

I don't know if you want to archive more things @Karellen , but it's a solid OP now and likely can be moved out of here.


This is a great username, same energy as Drive-by Trolling.

The messages were from the kid. I’ll see if I can find a better one on tumblr. I’ve pretty much archived everything. There were some very minor characters that I didn’t have space for or didn’t really fit into the narrative but I’ve saved them in case they come roaring back.

@Punished Neco i can’t quote you for some reason but yeah I’m aware of their Bluesky. It’s pretty much the same as twitter. They used it recently to smugpost because Saige and Poppy were temporarily protected accounts and were removing followers, but they wanted to snipe at their detractors still. I’ll add them to the social media links.

As for ruadhan, I had him initially, but removed him, but I think I’ll add him back as a minor character. His crime was that he resides near P&Z and went on stream and used google maps to show how far away he was from the town listed on Poppy’s go fund me (which is different from where Poppy actually lives). Poppy screeched this was doxxing, claims to have gone to the police over it, and yes tried to get his funding removed. Ruadhan also pissed off some of Poppy’s detractors for being “pluralphobic” (ie not buying into the imaginary friend bullshit).

 

[Punished Neco]

Z&P are crying about someone on Kiwi Farms writing fanfic. It's most likely in reference to @Karellen the writer of the OP.
[A]

Poppy got themself fired from their job as a therapist.
It actually turns out that shouting 24/7 for 3 months straight online about how x person is a rapist, or x fish is an abuse apologist might annoy your employer.
No more TransGirlTheRapist
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Also they see the Kiwi Farms thread? Interesting considering guests can't see Prospering Ground threads, show your account coward

I also forgot that PD was asking for a VRChat model a few months ago, based on their demon succubus sona. If I recall correctly they were asking for rigging that allowed them to toggle accessories, like sex toys.

 

[Fiend Cat]

I'm highly disturbed by the amount of individuals who think that it's okay to have no boundaries when it comes to sex like Poppy does. Usually someone referring to themselves as a "succubus" or something similar is a red flag that they're a sex pest.

Sex positive culture was a mistake.

 

[Karellen]

This is Nellerak, fronting for the moment. I believe that one of Courtney Orchard’s friends discovered the page and told Poppy (A).

 

[Derped223]

This is Nellerak, fronting for the moment. I believe that one of Courtney Orchard’s friends discovered the page and told Poppy (A).
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Kinda funny for Courtney to say stuff like that when she's said shit like this about her Niece and nephew:

https://archive.ph/KmjxT
I stand by what I said at the start of this. Courtney is very damaged and their temper is on a hair line trigger

 

[ÁchtunaRoll]

https://www.youtube.com/live/jZJTgcoRiNc?si=DHGwyBLKsfAhpkgv

They have come back to streaming

 

[Karellen]

Whew lads. We got a lot of new content overnight!
First of all, Poppy streamed last night. It was more of the same. This gets paywalled in two days; I’ve made a local copy. I’ve added the relevant drama portion to this post.

I’ve tried a couple times to add the video here but it won’t upload (it’s under the file size limit) but here’s a MEGA link to the relevant part (it’s roughly 2hrs long)

Some highlights:

• Reiterating that he got fired for not going off social media for “nonsensical reasons” and now has no income. Thinks his behavior online should have no bearing on his professional life. Still blames everyone else for the fact he can’t put his phone down.
• ZZ dyed her hair!
• Claims that a post he made about missing erotic roleplay with an ex is what brought Milena back to him and caused Milena to delete all their previous Poppy exposés. (Fun fact: Milena at one point said Poppy’s roleplays were garbage in response to that post, but that post was deleted, so looks like Milena just wanted sex with Poppy)
• Insurance may not cover all of his recent facial feminization surgery (FFS) due to his recent termination; it allegedly was around $20k
• Lots of ebegging $$$
• Poppy’s daughter’s text messages are out of context. Zena scowls when the daughter is brought up, one of the very few contributions she makes.
• The abusive text messages before the breakup were because of a panic attack so therefore they can be disregarded.
• P&Z were mad that Noehflake didn’t read multiple books about BPD.
• Claims his ex received no harassment, despite his army of 20 year olds hounding his ex and a pinned post on his twitter with RAPIST stamped over a picture of an ex
• Plays doctor and says his ex’es HRT is wrong
• Claims that there over 63,000 discord messages between him and his ex from end of August to end of December, therefore his ex must have been into him. More on that in a minute.
• Poppy says that he gave Noehflake 4 therapists to see because dating him is a challenge. Zena chimes in and says that if you want to date Poppy you have to be in therapy, and that it’s not that complicated as if this is a normal thing

• Claims his therapist told him that his kid intentionally sabotages his relationships when they hit the two year mark, and says that his “adopted” trans kids Shiloh and Evan have been more of kids to him in the last six months than his actual kid in the last ten years (give me all the top hats because this makes me MATI).

• They claim to do future streams. The next ones will focus on badmouthing their kid, Dormiyu (the dog), probably GayFesh (the Fish) and Tumblr blogs.

Secondly, WHILE THE STREAM WAS ONGOING, the Poppy & Zena tumblr dropped a google doc (archive TBD) featuring new leaked DMs showing Poppy and Zena being cunts to Saige, their ex Noehflake, and pretty much contradicting everything that P&Z said on stream last night.

There are over 250 pages of DMs, most of them from Poppy role playing as various members of the system. There is little to no commentary in the doc besides times and dates.

Spoiler: Brief Summary

There is some interesting info about Saige
(May was Saige’s suicide attempt).



The rest of the doc is tweets already in the OP or more DID roleplay. The drama starts when Poppy freaks out after Noeh interacts with one of their partners. This is the last straw which causes Noeh to initially break up with Poppy before the trip.


Poppy tries to guilt Noeh into going by role playing as Pepper, saying she needs her mom.



Noeh tells Zena she can’t handle Poppy, and Zena tells Noeh they’re not trying hard enough and guilts them further into showing up for the trip.




One of the more damning pieces of info is when Poppy asks if Noeh loves him, and Noeh says they don’t know. This directly contradicts Poppy’s argument about being raped because he was not informed that Noeh didn’t love him.

Just as a reminder for anyone new: all of this drama is over an online-only relationship that lasted four months and they only met in person once.

 

[Your typical Scout main]

They’re literally the same. They use the same art / intro music for their streams. They both have have groomed someone to do (pseudo)bestiality artwork of them:

Spoiler: NSFL

Spoiler: No seriously

Spoiler: Please stop

Spoiler: I warned you

Courtesy of Little Twisty
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Poppy offered a truce with Lily at one point (a)
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And Poppy isn’t civil with his fan base. He was egging them on to leave. (A)

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Ok why the fuck does the turkey girl reminds me of this:

 

[Karellen]

I wanted this to be a separate post because this is actually a huge piece of info that dropped.

Edit, seems you covered it roughly but:
PD's original claim was that Noeh had begged them to come to the hotel room to talk things out and then raped him. The leaked DM's which came out after show that PD was in fact the one who begged Noeh to come to the hotel room against their better judgement, and probably then raped Noeh.

Yes, the claim was that Poppy was raped because Noeh wasn’t in love with him when they had sex (Poppy would not have consented had he known that). But these new leaked DMs, from the day before the trip, show that Poppy knew Noeh had doubts:

Also, I love the title of the doc of leaked DMs being called Poppyamory.

 

[Punished Neco]

PD explains how Noeh was in a relationship with all 3 of their headmates, Poppy, Penny and Pepper.

I don't know of any Zena alter ego's but between the 3 of them that's 6 people in a 3 person polycule (Celeste and Saige, Zena and then Poppy Pepper and Penny). I also find it funny that all 3 of PD's personalities have their own "fursona",
IIRC Poppy's is the Succubus,
Penny's is the Hyena and Pepper...
Pepper as I've just discovered is a "Spiger", part Spider part Tiger what sort of Chris chan tier bullshit is this?

 

[Karellen]

There is also a fourth one called Peppermint that was in the DM leaks. I got them confused with pepper. There’s a emoji code and their fursonas too:
- Penny - Tiger / Shark hybrid
- Poppy - Hyena
- Pepper - Spider / Tiger hybrid (it’s been hinted that this one was created because one of Noeh’s partners hate spiders)
- Peppermint - They’re in the DMs but appears to be a new one
- Max - Headmate of Noehflake, the ex
?? - Sentinel - Headmate of Poppy? Zena mentioned this head mate in the Popppyamory doc. Not sure if it’s Noeh’s or Poppy’s.
- Cerise - Saige’s headmate - no fursona yet

Zena does not have head mates yet but does have a bunny fursona somewhere. There is a fourth actual person in the polycule I believe but they keep to themselves. I’ll add more on them later but history was starting to repeat itself when Poppy caught the latest partner flirting with one of their partners and flipped out about it on Twitter.

 

[CWC spells Master Duel]

"How can I make this about me"

https://twitter.com/GayEvilAndTired/status/1768050892241346984?t=bgD93vaoSBOWvLED5rZpTQ&s=19

 

[Mussolini’s Merkin]

Fantastic writeup of this absolute trainwreck, made for fascinating if maddening reading. Why can't these freaks ever just be normal?

 

[ÁchtunaRoll]

They did an interview.

https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-vyidr-15ac039

 

[Vect]

I particularly enjoyed the screenshots we're he's using the royal 'we' for his stupid headmates as he's being dumped. And he blames the other tranny for not wanting to date the Borg Collective?