[02:00]Akronymus, searching for a job: @Rhinobird - Usul (Maad D'rip) Unironically, knowyourmeme is one of the best summaries about GG
[02:01]Akronymus, searching for a job: Also: a very quick summary of how it started
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STl7-_f4_eA
YouTube
PSA Sitch
Gamergate Controversy Explained Easy Cartoon
Image
[02:02]Amelia "MalmoMilkers1869": IT HAS LITERALLY BEEN 10 YEARS
[02:02]Amelia "MalmoMilkers1869": WHY ARE MY EYES BEING MADE TO SEE THIS
[02:04]someguynamedted👁: This SDI thing seems like very non-event type shit that has been blow way up by the propensity of the internet to do shit like that
[02:05]Akronymus, searching for a job: By the streisand effect
[02:06]someguynamedted👁: Seems to be part of it, yes
[02:06]Akronymus, searching for a job: We get lovely stuff like this out of it.
Image
[02:09]Akronymus, searching for a job: Those very same people are the ones writing the articles demonizing the actual backlash
[02:09]Viki, Teratophiliac Supreme: Saying the quiet silent part out loud like that is a fuck up of massive proportions
[02:10]Akronymus, searching for a job: And because they are "trusted sources" they get to have all the space on wikipedia
[02:10]Akronymus, searching for a job: Which then leads to a whirlpool of the lies becoming facts
[02:10]Low Maintenance Amu: I think the word they wanted was "prejudiced", not "racist"
[02:10]Akronymus, searching for a job: Nope
[02:10]Akronymus, searching for a job: They genuinly mean racist
[02:11]MyNameMeansBentNose: community notes coming in clutch for that one
[02:11]꧁ Invisifly2 ꧂: And either way they would be incorrect
[02:11]Low Maintenance Amu: For the point they're trying to make it's prejudice, not racist, because faik, racist includes a power dynamic component, not just the race part
[02:11]MyNameMeansBentNose: wrong
[02:12]Akronymus, searching for a job: Oh and the SBI ceo is on record that they want the games studios terrified of what would happen if they weren't going to bow to their ideology
[02:12]Rhinobird - Usul (Maad D'rip): I meant what's the mainstream take on the current shenanigans
[02:12]MyNameMeansBentNose: If you accept the attempt at rejiggering the definition by activists, sure
[02:13]꧁ Invisifly2 ꧂: Racism is just hating somebody because of race. The power dynamic being necessary thing is a new twist meant to sweep certain unflattering retaliatory remarks under the rug as “not real racism”
[02:14]Low Maintenance Amu: Considering where it heavily originates from is more how I percieve it. It's not listening to rejiggering, it's me going "it's been historically used to keep specific groups down and not in power"
[02:14]꧁ Invisifly2 ꧂: But why?
[02:14]꧁ Invisifly2 ꧂: Perhaps because of a certain component of their genetics?
[02:14]kaiden333: Sorry, SDI?
[02:14]Low Maintenance Amu: Typo
[02:14]MyNameMeansBentNose: Racism is hatred between racial groups based on racial characteristics. Power is not a necessary component of whether something is racist
[02:14]kaiden333: or SBI? what's SBI?
[02:15]꧁ Invisifly2 ꧂: Sweet dicking international
[02:15]MyNameMeansBentNose: The power dynamic aspect of racism is absolutely a new thing
[02:15]Low Maintenance Amu: No it fucking isn't
[02:15]Akronymus, searching for a job:
https://fxtwitter.com/GamesNosh/status/1764802262017183761#m

669

2.3K

9.9K

1.32M
The Co-Founder of Sweet Baby Inc Kim Belair proudly explains the method she uses to force bosses at game studios to censor, alter, and "diversify" game projects she feels are problematic - "Terrify them" aka threaten them with the anger of the cancel cult…
GamesNosh (
@GamesNosh)
[02:15]MyNameMeansBentNose: yes it is
[02:15]Low Maintenance Amu: America literally helped create the modern racist landscape
[02:15]MyNameMeansBentNose: adding the power dynamic just makes it acceptable to hate 'up'
[02:16]Low Maintenance Amu: And the entire fucking point of it was to kneecap anyone basically not anglo saxon
[02:16]Akronymus, searching for a job: "All of gamergate was evil white men who just want women out of gaming and are serial harassers. ALL of them"
[02:16]Low Maintenance Amu: Most of whom was the people not in power
[02:16]꧁ Invisifly2 ꧂: Racism was used to enforce a power dynamic but a power dynamic is not necessary for racism to exist.
[02:17]Rhinobird - Usul (Maad D'rip):
[02:17]Low Maintenance Amu: And then when it became inconvenient they allowed the irish, italians, etc to suddenly no longer be separate, if the info I've read is correct
[02:17]MyNameMeansBentNose: that's because those are now white people
[02:17]Akronymus, searching for a job: Yeah, as told by the gaming journalists who had a very versted interest in demonizing the movement that was bringing rampant immoral practices in gaming journalism to light
[02:18]Akronymus, searching for a job: are asians white?
[02:18]MyNameMeansBentNose: they're white adjacent
[02:19]Low Maintenance Amu: Not on the american census
[02:19]Low Maintenance Amu: Iirc
[02:19]MyNameMeansBentNose: They get pushed out of positions because they're doing too well which crowds out the unfortunates
[02:19]Akronymus, searching for a job: I was more thinking about the MANY instances where i've seen asians counted as white and many others as nonwhite, whatever is most convenient at the time to push the agenda
[02:20]Low Maintenance Amu: Well, IDK what you're referring to then
[02:20]Akronymus, searching for a job: The whole "can't be racist against white people" stuff
[02:21]MyNameMeansBentNose: Asians are high acheivers, this translates well to grades and applications. This means they are on the 'superior' side of the power dynamic.
So they are selected against to make room for those who are said to need a hand up
[02:22]Akronymus, searching for a job: That's a genuine thing happening with stuff like college admissions, btw.
[02:23]Akronymus, searching for a job: Which is one of the main reasons why I call the whole racism = prejudice + power is bullshit
[02:24]Low Maintenance Amu: Based on what I know about how america helped shape racist ideology and why, it's very much an entwined thing in practice. At least for me. I mostly expect the general populace to function more under a variant of this which does not involve the consideration for 1800's america and later historical occurrences caused by that time period. It'll be a more surface level thing.
[02:24]MyNameMeansBentNose: When you get to the layman's understanding of racism. Power dynamics are not a thing.
When you get to the politically informed, then you become aware of this aspect of the conversation, and it's absolutely not agreed upon
[02:25]MyNameMeansBentNose: partly because it's used a lot in a "Lol, I'm not being racist, tee-hee" sort of manner
[02:26]MyNameMeansBentNose: so it has become an issue that people get angry about
[02:26]Akronymus, searching for a job: With a VERY big interest to not let the masses know whats actually going on
[02:27]MyNameMeansBentNose: Intentional or not, it becomes very condescending when someone says something prejudiced, and when they get called out they reply with "Oh, well you're wrong, it's totally not racism"
[02:27]Akronymus, searching for a job: But at this point? I think they can't hold it back anymore
[02:28]꧁ Invisifly2 ꧂: You’re thinking of racism vs institutional racism. And again that is skin agnostic.
[02:28]Akronymus, searching for a job: Quotas are inherently institutional racism.
[02:29]Low Maintenance Amu: I mean, I'm American. That's most of what I've been around.
[02:30]MyNameMeansBentNose: it's also far too easy to lose sight of the fact that institutional racism isn't a feature of America, it's just a feature
[02:30]꧁ Invisifly2 ꧂: The point is you can be racist without a power dynamic. It’s literally just being prejudiced/hateful towards somebody because of their race. Everything else is extra toppings upon the shit sundae
[02:30]Akronymus, searching for a job: And positive prejudice based on race is still racism
[02:30]MyNameMeansBentNose: And the 'oh that's not racism' is used in a deflective manner by people being terrible
[02:31]꧁ Invisifly2 ꧂: Treating somebody as something other than what they are based upon their race. There.
[02:31]MyNameMeansBentNose: Anyways, SBI. Man, that's been a show to watch.
[02:33]Akronymus, searching for a job:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs69lv0UGNU Here's a pretty good breakdown of the wikipedia article.
YouTube
MentisWave
Debunking Wikipedia's article on Gamergate
Image
[02:34]MyNameMeansBentNose: Sweet Baby Inc and the Sweet Kiss of Death
[02:34]Low Maintenance Amu: Mostly I was just saying if they didn't want people to go "HUR DUR NOT RACIST", prejudice is a better word because then idiots won't "HUR DUR" and sweep the point under a rug
[02:35]Low Maintenance Amu: That was my point
[02:35]Low Maintenance Amu: You have to get past the idiots first
[02:35]꧁ Invisifly2 ꧂: They aren’t arguing in good faith to begin with, they’re just going to toss prejudice into the pile
[02:35]꧁ Invisifly2 ꧂: It’s similar enough in effect most of the time
[02:35]MyNameMeansBentNose: which is reasonable, but racism is a term that was transformed when people weren't looking. So you'll get a lot of people who never had to pay attention to the politics of the moment getting blindsided by what they thought the word meant and what politico's are telling them the word means.
[02:35]Lepidolite_Mica (PLEONASM): i have absolutely seen "you can't be prejudiced against people in power" in my social inequity course in college
[02:36]꧁ Invisifly2 ꧂: A whole lot of dead French nobility would strongly disagree with that
[02:36]Akronymus, searching for a job: Amu, nothing against you, but it seems you are pretty naive on just how low those people sink to get one over over their "enemies"
[02:36]Akronymus, searching for a job: A lot of shit is wordgames to make themselves look good.
[02:37]꧁ Invisifly2 ꧂: Double plus good, even
[02:37]Lepidolite_Mica (PLEONASM): this was the same course where the only good grade i ever got was from going on an unhinged rant about america stealing land from natives, one that with the benefit of hindsight was built on a woefully flawed premise
[02:38]꧁ Invisifly2 ꧂: There was the whole casual genocide thing
[02:38]Lepidolite_Mica (PLEONASM): yes but on both sides
[02:38]꧁ Invisifly2 ꧂: But that’s just how you get a nation founded really.
[02:38]Akronymus, searching for a job: And even within both sides
[02:40]Low Maintenance Amu: I think it's less naive and more "that's not how I function"
[02:41]Lepidolite_Mica (PLEONASM): in this case it's not how you function so much as how you expect others to function
[02:41]MyNameMeansBentNose: Treating people how you want to be treated is virtuous. Expecting people to treat you how you want to be treated is naive
[02:41]Akronymus, searching for a job: Of course thats not how YOU function. I speak from experience, specically that I have been demonized a lot by such people, that THEY function like that.
[02:42]Akronymus, searching for a job: And that you are naive, because you have, luckily, not been exposed to that kinda shit, so you fail to comprehend someone being THAT petty (dunno if thats the right word)
[02:43]Akronymus, searching for a job: Hell, I started looking into GG because I've seen the articles calling me misgyinistic for being a gamer.
[02:43]Akronymus, searching for a job: And it just expanded from there.
[02:52]ɟloW ǝhʇ dǝtʅiꓕ: Oh man, it's old internet drama but now new
[02:53]MyNameMeansBentNose: yeah, even some of the old names are coming up again
[02:53]꧁ Invisifly2 ꧂:
Image
[02:54]Akronymus, searching for a job: Does the name alec holowka say anything to you?
[02:55]MyNameMeansBentNose: That was the guy who got the worst end of GG wasn't it?
[02:55]Akronymus, searching for a job: Nights in the woods dev.
[02:55]MyNameMeansBentNose: yeah
[02:56]Akronymus, searching for a job: Commited suicide after being accused by quinn of sexual assault
[02:56]Akronymus, searching for a job: He allegedly was a cofounder for SBI.
[02:56]Akronymus, searching for a job: Which is now ran by some of quinns friends
[02:57]Akronymus, searching for a job:
https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/0...eloper-accused-of-sexual-assault-cancels-game
IGN
Night In The Woods Studio Cuts Ties With Developer Accused of Sexua...
Night In The Woods studio cancel game and cut ties with one of their developers accused of sexual assault.
Night In The Woods Studio Cuts Ties With Developer Accused of Sexua...
[02:57]Akronymus, searching for a job:
https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/08/31/night-in-the-woods-developer-accused-of-sexual-assault-dies
IGN
Night in the Woods Developer Alec Holowka Dies - IGN
The Night in the Woods developer has died, according to a Twitter post made by his sister mid-Saturday.
Night in the Woods Developer Alec Holowka Dies - IGN
[02:58]Akronymus, searching for a job: Wait, not founded
[02:58]Akronymus, searching for a job: funded
[02:58]MyNameMeansBentNose: And his sister seems to have gained quite a windfall after he passed on from related companies if I remember correctly
[02:58]Akronymus, searching for a job:
https://archive.is/3rEH4
[02:58]Akronymus, searching for a job: Yeah
[02:58]Akronymus, searching for a job: Same names, different decade
[03:00]Akronymus, searching for a job: I honestly don't remember him getting any shit from the pro gg side. He seemed to get much more shit from the anti side after the accusation
[03:01]MyNameMeansBentNose: That sort of attitude is what burnt all the leeway they don't have for the current issue. The anti side being so aggressively confrontational and unwilling to entertain any debate.
[03:02]MyNameMeansBentNose: A "if you haven't done anything, why are you attacking me I literally just arrived" sort of thing
[03:08]MyNameMeansBentNose: I'm seeing the steam curator group gets to live
[03:09]Akronymus, searching for a job: Oh wow, at 230k now
[03:20]MetaVulture:
[03:21]MyNameMeansBentNose: Grifting company shilling diversity and inclusion to ignorant and tone-deaf gaming company execs tried to cancel a guy who made a group noting the connection between the grifting company and all the flops they'd sold their services for
[03:21]Amelia "MalmoMilkers1869": fucken
[03:21]Amelia "MalmoMilkers1869": don't ask me, I walked in here to find my eyes assaulted by decade-old discourse
[03:22]MetaVulture:
[03:22]MyNameMeansBentNose: turns out grifting company and related actors go back to a decade old issue
[03:22]EdAMUdenyY: Glad that Zoey Quinn got called out for what she did
[03:22]Amelia "MalmoMilkers1869": I still would have preferred to leave that shit buried and I was on the pro GG side at the time I have nothing to hide
[03:22]EdAMUdenyY: Hopefully she’s not living her best life
[03:23]Amelia "MalmoMilkers1869": She's still around, and has gotten worse (?)
[03:23]MyNameMeansBentNose: There's some ugly deep lore for GG, I don't blame anyone who doesn't want to get into that mess
[03:23]Akronymus, searching for a job: well, the SBI defenders are making paralells to, the fake version they construed, gamergate
[03:23]EdAMUdenyY: I saw hours of discourse in videos and reddits and forum blogs and I’m glad I never took the dive
[03:24]MyNameMeansBentNose: It basically boiled down to bad actors getting called out and calling wolf on the ones who spotted what they were doing
[03:25]MyNameMeansBentNose: it just blew up because of the disgusting depth of bad acting
[03:25]Akronymus, searching for a job: And before that it was a bunch of people gossiping about someone, then that someone getting their friends to denounce ALL gamers, despite most having never even heard about the gossip
[03:25]MetaVulture: I'm more concerned about my bills and the future elections than some video game company and industry drama.
[03:25]Amelia "MalmoMilkers1869": tf is an SBI
[03:25]Akronymus, searching for a job: sweet baby inc
[03:25]MetaVulture: Suck Butt International?
[03:25]MyNameMeansBentNose: A gaming consulting company for Diversity and Inclusion
[03:25]Amelia "MalmoMilkers1869": Sir what the fuck was anyone expecting from a name like that?
[03:26]Akronymus, searching for a job:
@Amelia "MalmoMilkers1869" Those lovely people
[03:26]Amelia "MalmoMilkers1869": ah ffs.
[03:27]MyNameMeansBentNose: It blew up because Sweet Baby Inc and the Gamergate issue from ten years ago are both canary in the coal mine things.
[03:27]MyNameMeansBentNose: Suddenly, normies are discovering how things went strange
[03:28]MetaVulture: Harambee dying started it all.
[03:28]Akronymus, searching for a job: And maybe they'll realise that what they are doing with SBI is pretty similar to what they did with GG.
[03:28]Akronymus, searching for a job: Oh, who am I kidding, they won't.
[03:28]MyNameMeansBentNose: The ability for self reflection would have prevented this all from happening