Poll: Do you want sticker notifications back? - Not the score, just the notifications.

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

It's genuinely sickening and fills me with contempt.

It could be all that and also fill you with cash.

Sticker notifications are only available with Kiwi Farms Gold™ which costs $100 a year, puts a gold banner around your PFP, and lets everyone know you're a faggot.

 

[Osama Bin Laden]

i'm glad this thread has 137 pages of debating

Sticker notifications are only available with Kiwi Farms Gold™ which costs $100 a year, puts a gold banner around your PFP, and lets everyone know you're a faggot.

with a small price of sucking on a shotgun at the end

 

[not william stenchever]

It's literally like watching a child throw a tantrum and start throwing stuff

The only person on this website that is capable of breaking shit on this website during an emotional fit is you.

 

[Troon_Patrol]

Yes. This entire thing is pathetic, gay, and demoralizing. I have never seen so many of the worst elements of the site crawl out at once. Random antagonizing of specific users for no apparent reason, baseless speculation on ulterior motives, people wanting the site to die, immediately jumping to bizarre personal attacks against me for no reason, deliberately misconstruing what I've said to try and epicly own me. It really is a moment where I have to sit back and reflect on, "are these the people I've put so much of myself out there to try and keep together?".

It's genuinely sickening and fills me with contempt. On top of that, the complicating factor is what the anger is over. The "cherished site feature" is an instantaneous notification that someone liked your post. That's it. Reddit doesn't even do that. Reddit doesn't even tell you every time someone upvotes your comment. But that's what people are malding this much over, and of course that anger is misplaced and directed at either me personally or other people you don't like.

It's literally like watching a child throw a tantrum and start throwing stuff, but children have the benefit of an undeveloped brain. They literally lack the tools to deal with their emotions. This is a group of full grown adults, many in their 30s and older, upset that they will not be notified the same second someone likes their post on the Kiwi Farms, and remaining upset for a week.

Ok fair points, I hear everything you are saying and I as individual disavow anyone metaphorically flailing around on the floor in an autistic seizure over this both pro/con sticker. Now that I have clarified that, I think the vast majority of people hopefully including myself, have gone about this in a civil pragmatic way to say removing stickers was a bad idea, please do not take that as a personal attack. KF is very important to me, as someone who runs a business I value the right to refuse service and run my biz the way I want. I really feel the heart of KF or any forum is engagement, I want to know if someone thought what I said was good and even more I want to know if someone thought what I said was stupid. Even if you disagree with the decision to reverse you must see this POV?

 

[Null]

The only person on this website that is capable of breaking shit during an emotional fit is you.

Funny you mention that. Someone specifically pointed out to me that the site has been running better than ever this week and wondered aloud to me if that may be due to the reaction notifications being disabled.

You've been around since 2018, so you've been here while I've had to rebuild the forum from SQL dumps. You've undoubtedly seen me mention that the site rebuilds often take hours because the table that holds the reactions is over 100 million rows long, right?

I never even considered this until this week, but do you know what else is over 100 million rows long and takes hours to restore?

> select count(1) from xf_user_alert;
+-----------+
| count(1)  |
+-----------+
| 103540085 |
+-----------+
1 row in set (38.346 sec)

> select count(1) from xf_reaction_content;
+-----------+
| count(1)  |
+-----------+
| 132064188 |
+-----------+
1 row in set (6 min 44.330 sec)

That's right! The table that stores user alerts! It's currently 103,540,085 rows long (and growing), and that's after I've truncated it in the past. That's because every single time XenForo records a rating, there is almost always a corresponding user that gets an alert, so the number of SQL queries that go into hundred million row tables is actually twice what it would be without them.

So basically, a part of the server has been continuously dedicated to updating, selecting, and indexing a second table continuously because it is being added to every single time someone clicks a reaction so that users can be notified that this person clicked a button on your post despite the fact that this has absolutely no consequences.

And then people built their entire usage of the forum around these random alerts that have no meaning or intrinsic value. Isn't that FASCINATING

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

It's genuinely sickening and fills me with contempt. On top of that, the complicating factor is what the anger is over. The "cherished site feature" is an instantaneous notification that someone liked your post. That's it. Reddit doesn't even do that. Reddit doesn't even tell you every time someone upvotes your comment. But that's what people are malding this much over, and of course that anger is misplaced and directed at either me personally or other people you don't like.

This is a fantastic point that I never even considered. As much as people on this site like to insult Redditers (absolutely justified), the users in this thread are being way more stupid about their stickers than Redditers are about upvotes.

 

[not william stenchever]

You've been around since 2018, so you've been here while I've had to rebuild the forum from SQL dumps. You've undoubtedly seen me mention that the site rebuilds often take hours because the table that holds the reactions is over 100 million rows long, right?

I never even considered this until this week, but do you know what else is over 100 million rows long and takes hours to restore?

Earlier in this thread I also mentioned that KiwiFlare DDOS retardation seems to be triggering less often as a result of the change. Site stability is a good thing and I have quickly adapted to using the site without the bell being lit up nearly as often. I've come around to thinking that your diktat in removing the notifications will be a net positive in the end. I just don't like seeing you address the people who have had reservations against the change as retarded children smashing their toys because you're throwing vitriol at people who quite like this place and you and that sort of needless hostility is counterproductive.

 

[webonoid]

I'm amazed that this is still going

 

[WE'RE ALL GONNA]

Funny you mention that. Someone specifically pointed out to me that the site has been running better than ever this week and wondered aloud to me if that may be due to the reaction notifications being disabled.

How about scores? The site checks whether your total score is below zero so it must be doing the same calculations as when the reaction scores were displayed, right? Why not display the score if it isn't affecting the performance as badly as notifications? Is dealing with people who report over pixelated hats the main reason?

 

[JelloJerk]

and post counts were higher this weekend than last.

Of course they were. I'm sure it hasn't only been this thread where people are going out of their way to reply instead of just react to a post. I don't think that's inherently a good thing.

people wanting the site to die

Who even said this? The only person I've seen saying that the site should die from this is... you. You said in the announcement post "If this somehow kills the site, it did not deserve to live. Thanks."

I get that it was supposed to be funny hyperbole, but I'm just saying.

 

[sallowhal]

kinda figured there was some other benefit to not having notifications. makes sense. if it were me i would simply not get mad at bad actors and complainers especially when so many people are supportive/understanding/willing to pay money to help the site. weird thing for users to start fighting over, but also kinda weird to see null get so upset over some retards acting retarded.

 

[Oxyjen]

Who even said this? The only person I've seen saying that the site should die from this is...

Someone said something to the effect of “where’s LFJ when you need him”. Which could also be meant as a joke but I can see why Null wouldn’t take it that way.

I wonder if there will be a “worst element of the site” trophy…

 

[Pitbull Victim]

How about scores? The site checks whether your total score is below zero so it must be doing the same calculations as when the reaction scores were displayed, right? Why not display the score if it isn't affecting the performance as badly as notifications? Is dealing with people who report over pixelated hats the main reason?

I believe the argument in favor of removing scores was that it corralled a sizeable enough group of users into only posting in threads that were very active/sticker heavy to make their score go up, while neglecting other parts of the site. Basically reinforcing behavior like a Skinner Box. Removing scores would therefore make the pigeon brain posters engage with broader parts of the site, for better or worse.

 

[ATI Escapee]

You've been around since 2018, so you've been here while I've had to rebuild the forum from SQL dumps. You've undoubtedly seen me mention that the site rebuilds often take hours because the table that holds the reactions is over 100 million rows long, right?

I never even considered this until this week, but do you know what else is over 100 million rows long and takes hours to restore?

> select count(1) from xf_user_alert;
+-----------+
| count(1)  |
+-----------+
| 103540085 |
+-----------+
1 row in set (38.346 sec)

> select count(1) from xf_reaction_content;
+-----------+
| count(1)  |
+-----------+
| 132064188 |
+-----------+
1 row in set (6 min 44.330 sec)

That's right! The table that stores user alerts! It's currently 103,540,085 rows long (and growing), and that's after I've truncated it in the past. That's because every single time XenForo records a rating, there is almost always a corresponding user that gets an alert, so the number of SQL queries that go into hundred million row tables is actually twice what it would be without them.

So basically, a part of the server has been continuously dedicated to updating, selecting, and indexing a second table continuously because it is being added to every single time someone clicks a reaction so that users can be notified that this person clicked a button on your post despite the fact that this has absolutely no consequences.

This makes a fuck ton of sense and I am glad you laid this out. As much as Id love the convenient reaction alerts, I think it makes a lot more sense to have the user go to their reaction page now, all this considered in conjunction with all the ddos and other bullshit attacks to the site I dont really understand but know its a constant battle to mitigate.

 

[Ebonic Tutor]

This makes a fuck ton of sense and I am glad you laid this out. As much as Id love the convenient reaction alerts, I think it makes a lot more sense to have the user go to their reaction page now, all this considered in conjunction with all the ddos and other bullshit attacks to the site I dont really understand but know its a constant battle to mitigate.

The reason has done changed like 3 times now...

First it was "you don't need this dopamine fix you addicts!"
Then it was "some users don't feel safe cause tophats"
Now it's "It makes the site run better"

 

[ATI Escapee]

The reason has done changed like 3 times now...

First it was "you don't need this dopamine fix you addicts!"
Then it was "some users don't feel safe cause tophats"
Now it's "It makes the site run better"

It is the most reasonable one though

 

[No Batty Boys in Jamaica]

If Null doesn’t bring back react scores and sticker notifications by March 30th, I will kill myself on Facebook Live and blame KiwiFarms so that trannies will have another reason to #DropKiwiFarms.

 

[Goofy Logic]

Yeah but normally only about 1000-1500 (give or take, unless some crazy shit going down) or so people are logged in and a large number of those accounts are socks / dead. Also not everybody comes to General so they probably don't even know the thread exists.

You sound like a Democrat trying to legitimize a Trump-era poll.

 

[Dixieland Buckaroo]

And then people built their entire usage of the forum around these random alerts that have no meaning or intrinsic value. Isn't that FASCINATING

There has been some thoughtful conversation ITT about use cases for the sticker notifs, aside from just the endorphin kick. You probably weren't alerted to them, since you asked not to be tagged and had appeared to have left the thread. I can't say whether you've read them or not. The thoughtful posts can be a bit hard to find, given some of the ratholes the thread has gone on in the interim.

I find it sad that you opt to engage with the low quality posts, but it's your forum, your choice what to read, what to respond to, what to allow. I simply wish you had allowed users a choice on the notifications as well.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

Probably already addressed but whenever I look at my reactions received tab the numbers wildly change every time by hundred of thousands. The recent reactions are correct but other than that it's a mess.