Margaret Pless / idlediletante / Stan - Official Kiwi Farms Advertiser and Enthusiast Who Has Proudly Eaten Ass. Now Posting Her Tits to Own the Troons!

[Stan]

I don't think much of the right wants to take your working rights away.

I sure hope so, but the Right (in Amerika anyway) has been pretty bent on seam-ripping out women’s rights to family planning recently. I figure once they’ve banned the Pill, the right would probably go after protections in labor law next (eg repealing laws that make it illegal to fire a woman for getting pregnant, or married, or to refuse to interview female applicants for a certain job.)

Iirc you frame rights as a zero sum game; in order for one group to gain rights another must lose them, so QED youre opposed to feminism because you think it’ll result in men losing rights and privileges. i dont agree with that, but I’m sure plenty rightoids might, since it frames gender politics in terms of a war. And I am wary of what someone with those politics intends for us womz.

 

[JoseRaulChupacabra]

She also avoided your question about how she ended up with a chinaman despite her obvious jew fetish.

Chinese are just oriental kikes.

They are a mercantile people that put finance at the center of their morals and their diaspora occupies positions of power in other countries. They prefer to marry within the tribe but have no problem mutting things up if it benefits them financially/politically and despite residing in another country for generations, a lot of them still look to China as like a yellow zion.

 

[Otterly]

the right would probably go after protections in labor law next (eg repealing laws that make it illegal to fire a woman for getting pregnant,

The irony here is that it’s leftist policies that make this more likely. If men can become women, and sex is replaced by gender in the law, then the very definition legally of sex is up for grabs. When I first started to see all the weird tranny legal wrangling ten years ago, this was actually my first thought; that it would be used to remove ALL sex based protections and then that would be used as a wedge to change other protections
They will not ban the pill. It’s not happening. All hormonal contraceptives have multiple uses, and there is no legal or medical framework to outright ban it. It’s not happening, it’s just a scare tactic to whip up a sense of ‘you’re being oppressed, vote blue.’
. The danger is replacing the concept of sex in the law with gender, and that’s not coming from a conservative pressure, but a progressive one.

 

[AgendaPoster]

I sure hope so, but the Right (in Amerika anyway) has been pretty bent on seam-ripping out women’s rights to family planning recently. I figure once they’ve banned the Pill, the right would probably go after protections in labor law next (eg repealing laws that make it illegal to fire a woman for getting pregnant, or married, or to refuse to interview female applicants for a certain job.)

Iirc you frame rights as a zero sum game; in order for one group to gain rights another must lose them, so QED youre opposed to feminism because you think it’ll result in men losing rights and privileges. i dont agree with that, but I’m sure plenty rightoids might, since it frames gender politics in terms of a war. And I am wary of what someone with those politics intends for us womz.

It is a social struggle. The privileges accorded to women and minorities did nothing to diminish animosity, and are abused. We cannot continue living like this, because it's based on a big lie.
The idea was to restore a more natural relation between the sexes, instead of patriarchal humiliation. A hundred years later, masculinity is dying, males are pushed out of education and important corporations and drop out of society.
This unnatural state of the world is maintained through state coercion and the DIE industry.
Can we reach a compromise?
I always asked for just talking about one here.
Not one single person wanted to discuss compromise. They want to win.
So, we must complete or perish.

 

[The Ugly One]

I've met some home-schooling moms through my church, all of whom are pretty great. My internet racist friends often bemoan the toxic effects of absent fathers on families, particularly among our most vulnerable Americans in the vibrant inner city. Anyone in my social circle gets respect for earning enough money that his wife gets to stay home and raise the kids. Maybe you're just in the wrong circles. I don't read bell hooks or anything but I've heard whispers that there are a lot of toxic left-wing spaces on the Internet. Places where radical feminists treat sex relations as some weird zero-sum game. They call men "moids" and seethe all day. They laugh about men being "disposable," but never seem to mention that men have invented 99.99% of all useful things, from the wheel to the microprocessor. It's a sad state of affairs, but I think if you moved to a more trad community you might be happier.

It's actually because she's a nasty bitch. She copes by telling herself nobody likes her because of her vagina, not because of her insufferable attitude.

 

[Begemot]

I’m not sure how I would be able to tolerate this thread if I couldn’t put the tiresome, bitter old men like Norbert on permanent mute. Life’s too short for me to waste time reading his repetitive and derivative opinions.

Sadly, there are many users like Norbert, and so my ignore list is pretty long.

Putting a vulnerable and valid BIPOC trans person like me on ignore is a hate crime in your state, I believe, sweetie....

 

[Gay Baby Jailer]

Somebody once told me
The moids are gunna roll me
I ain’t the slimmest girl in the threeaaadddd
I was lookin pretty dumb with my tongue inside his bum
posting about giving Jews head

 

[Stan]

The irony here is that it’s leftist policies that make this more likely. If men can become women, and sex is replaced by gender in the law, then the very definition legally of sex is up for grabs.

TRA bullshit being what it is, I still do not think it is likely for the Democratic Party to make the elimination of protected classes under the law a part of its platform. The Dems will probably use verbiage like "pregnant persons" instead of "pregnant women" when discussing that specific issue. But the rest of these protections apply to both sexes, even if men rarely have cause to invoke them.

They will not ban the pill. It’s not happening.

Don't jinx it please.

A hundred years later, masculinity is dying, males are pushed out of education and important corporations and drop out of society.

Oh nooo, can someone spare a thought for all the slacker moids who can't cruise through college anymore on a gentleman's C+ avg and still expect to be recruited to an entry-level job in their senior year.

Can we reach a compromise?

That depends. What's the "natural relation between men and women" according to you?

Chinese are just oriental kikes.

That poor slur. If you keep abusing it like that, pretty soon it won't mean anything anymore.

 

[Otterly]

I still do not think it is likely for the Democratic Party to make the elimination of protected classes under the law a part of its platform. The Dems will probably use verbiage like "pregnant persons" instead of "pregnant women" when discussing that specific issue. But the rest of these protections apply to both sexes, even if men rarely have cause to invoke them.

No, when either gender can get pregnant, there’s no SEX based protection. All the sex based protections rely on the definition of biological sex. Women aren’t protected from being fired if pregnant due to pregnancy being protected in and of itself in the UK, it’s due to sex based protection. The law relies on the fact that only a woman can be pregnant. It’s not the act of pregnancy that’s protected directly, it’s being female.
Changing the equality act to gender opens the door to the removal of all sex based protections.

 

[m1ddl3m4rch]

TRA bullshit being what it is, I still do not think it is likely for the Democratic Party to make the elimination of protected classes under the law a part of its platform. The Dems will probably use verbiage like "pregnant persons" instead of "pregnant women" when discussing that specific issue. But the rest of these protections apply to both sexes, even if men rarely have cause to invoke them.

"Democrats gave me wedgies, spitballs, swirlies, wet willies, bruises, broken bones ... but at least they don't give me Indian burns!"

still do not think it is likely for the Democratic Party to make the elimination of protected classes under the law a part of its platform

Protected classes means not white, not male, not heterosexual. You're two out of three, and Democrats are dismantling female. Way to pull the ladder up behind you. And if you think your half chink baby is safe, think again. The "model minority" is actively discriminated against. Have fun seeing your little slanteye hapa get rejected in favor of Shaneequa or Jamal with an abysmal GPA.

Oh nooo, can someone spare a thought for all the slacker moids who can't cruise through college anymore on a gentleman's C+ avg and still expect to be recruited to an entry-level job in their senior year.

Women's scholarships and enrollment initiatives make college even easier than that for women. So if men are slacker moids with C+ grades getting cushy starter jobs, what does having it even easier than that make women?

 

[Gay Baby Jailer]

Women's scholarships and enrollment initiatives make college even easier than that for women. So if men are slacker moids with C+ grades getting cushy starter jobs, what does having it even easier than that make women?

Stem Phd positions are actually clamoring for women. Minorities get an undeniable boost in the stem fields. Colleges have been openly admitting it. Marge is just in perpetual denial. Many women with PhDs have children, or even have children during their PhD (rare but possible). Most American institutions are very reasonable with daycare, leave, or otherwise. That's honestly a part of the reason why college costs so much now, they finance all these absurd fucking programs.

I remember reading there are about three times as many administrators as professors for a lot of these universities. Umich and UVA spend absolutely insane amounts on these programs. Why does college cost so much in America? White men and the middle class foot the bill for everyone else.

Marge being of incredibly mediocre intelligence probably never put much thought into anything or sat down and planed her life so that she actually got what she wanted.

 

[Dr. Jaime Reyes]

To me being able to work isn’t about the money (I carried on just fine in NYC on internships and the Master’s degree.) it’s more to do with having an existence that’s distinct from my role as a wife /mom and maintains some independence. But it helps that I can secure some benefits for my family if I work.

I'm a degraded moid and I've never understood this mindset. Work is necessary but rarely fulfilling. It's a cold economic transaction; your employer hopes to profit off you, you hope to profit off your employer. Now I'm a believer in the free market because it's efficient and conducive to maximum freedom, but at the end of the day I've never derived any pride from being a wagie. You could pursue your writing privately after the kids are in bed. Plenty of people making decent careers off of Substack, and it sounds like you don't even need the money. If writing is your thing, write something meaningful. I don't think there's any honor in writing hatchet pieces for midwit liberal outlets. Thumbsuckers about the rising threat of WHITE SUPREMACY are obvious nonsense which only serve to give the believers a safe little scare (and maybe some sexual gratification) as they read your words over coffee in Park Slope.

I think I've derived more satisfaction getting a WINNER sticker from a respected shitposter on this website than I ever have from some attaboy on the jobsite. Not to mention the joy of seeing your kid smile at you or come running for joy when you get home.

In a word, yes. I’m still pretty sure that if I had gotten what I wanted in terms of grad school and career, it would have been difficult if not impossible to be anything close to a good parent.

I was replying to your claim that society doesn't value mothers. You seem to be saying that if you had the high-powered journalist career you wanted (which, come on; what you're doing is better for both yourself and the world at large), then you would be a bad mother by your own standards. Is that society's fault? Are we overvaluing raising children and undervaluing contributing .0001% to ConHugeCo's bottom line?

 

[AgendaPoster]

That depends. What's the "natural relation between men and women" according to you?

One where the dice fall without state intervention and where protections equally apply under the law.
For example, if you need segregated spaces, we men need them too, and we have the right to remove women from where we don't want them.
No more affirmative action of any sort. No more quotas. No more propaganda pushing, either for patriarchy or feminism. Near complete state retreat from the family. NGOs defanged, and the people that manned them shamed like we did with church leaders caught lying and and manipulating.
In time, things will sort themselves out. Men will figure out their spot and women too, without gender equality lessons and endless stories about how awesome a feminist Marie Curie was or whatever. No more feminism in schools. We'll treat it as we do with monarchy - an ideology of a former elite, that the people has now crushed out of existence.

Oh nooo, can someone spare a thought for all the slacker moids who can't cruise through college anymore on a gentleman's C+ avg and still expect to be recruited to an entry-level job in their senior year.

These moids are needed when your country will have to go to war and to build shit that you won't.
It's rather clear you would not accept any compromises.
Men already compromised, endlessly, but I think the knife is slowly reaching their carotid.
It's especially revealing to see the gloating and seething hatred for males of ANY sort.

 

[Shidoen]

Calling men disposable might seem like some grand insult but to me it’s always the greatest compliment. We’re the first to be sent to war, a natural disaster cleanup, or a massive construction project. Sure some or most of us will die along the way but doing something bigger than ourselves has always been the dream of any human. No matter how many men die, we’ll always pick ourselves back up and keep moving for the next big thing.

 

[Stan]

Work is necessary but rarely fulfilling. It's a cold economic transaction; your employer hopes to profit off you, you hope to profit off your employer.

See that's pleb thinking right there. To me, I'm increasing my "It's a Wonderful Life" effect, i.e. my work helps others and makes a difference in the world around me.

No more affirmative action of any sort. No more quotas. No more propaganda pushing, either for patriarchy or feminism. Near complete state retreat from the family. NGOs defanged, and the people that manned them shamed like we did with church leaders caught lying and and manipulating.
In time, things will sort themselves out. Men will figure out their spot and women too, without gender equality lessons and endless stories about how awesome a feminist Marie Curie was or whatever. No more feminism in schools. We'll treat it as we do with monarchy - an ideology of a former elite, that the people has now crushed out of existence.

Me: What is the natural state of relations between men and women?
AP: *spergs out about state propaganda, NGOs, and affirmative action*
Yeah OK happy Women's History Month to you too.

For example, if you need segregated space, we men need them too, and we have the right to remove women from where we don't want them.

Like what kind of segregated space? You already got your own Woman-Hate thread, your own locker rooms, and dedicated bathrooms with urinals; are you trying to say I'm on team pooner, trying to invade the male safe space of the public toilets?

These moids are needed when your country will have to go to war and to build shit that you won't.
It's rather clear you would not accept any compromises.
Men already compromised, endlessly, but I think the knife is slowly reaching their carotid.
It's especially revealing to see the gloating and seething hatred for males of ANY sort.

Me: Men don't deserve a pass to slack off in school.
AP: *malding* "You FEMINISTS are drawing the knife towards the collective male carotid, and one day we will all snap and it won't be our fault, because you nagging FEMINISTS took our jobs!"

Women and girls are doing better than boys and men in school because they study harder, not because of affirmative action.
There's an argument to abolish affirmative action, but "make the upper levels of the labor market a male safe space again" isn't one of them.

I think I've derived more satisfaction getting a WINNER sticker from a respected shitposter on this website than I ever have from some attaboy on the jobsite. Not to mention the joy of seeing your kid smile at you or come running for joy when you get home.

This is the saddest thing I've heard all week.

If writing is your thing, write something meaningful. I don't think there's any honor in writing hatchet pieces for midwit liberal outlets.

Done and done. I've defected from the party, I'm jaded now. I write fiction now for my hobby, I posted my first book in the Literature forum.

You seem to be saying that if you had the high-powered journalist career you wanted (which, come on; what you're doing is better for both yourself and the world at large), then you would be a bad mother by your own standards. Is that society's fault? Are we overvaluing raising children and undervaluing contributing .0001% to ConHugeCo's bottom line?

I'm hesitant to open up new avenues by which you guys would roast me, so I'm just going to say that my moonshot mid-20s five-year-plan did not involve getting a degree in journalism.

 

[Otterly]

One where the dice fall without state intervention and where protections equally apply under the law.
For example, if you need segregated spaces, we men need them too, and we have the right to remove women from where we don't want them.

I would be fine with this. Men need men’s spaces for privacy, dignity and sanity and women needs women’s spaces for all that and safety as well . There’s a boundary there that we shouldn’t have crossed and crossing it has helped no one. It’s certainly not helping women’s safety.

e. my work helps others and makes a difference in the world around me.

I guess mine does too. I’ve been part of things which have led to some minor advances in cancer understanding and treatment and part of some therapies that saved lives where there was no cure, only unpleasant death by early childhood. I still, if I’m honest, see that as cope for the fact I work for a soulless megacorp and derive my real happiness from my family and smaller more direct things. Very few of us have jobs that genuinely help others - and those of us who do are generally tinkering around the edges. Work won’t miss me when I’m dead.

Like what kind of segregated space?

Men’s clubs. Men’s locker rooms. Men requesting same sex personal care in hospitals and nursing homes. Women need those as well. We can’t argue that we need troons out of the women’s loos when we are forcing men to accept us in their spaces. There needs to be balance and respect and boundaries. Women also need a space to just be around other women, the dynamic is different. Men need that too.

 

[AgendaPoster]

Me: What is the natural state of relations between men and women?
AP: *spergs out about state propaganda, NGOs, and affirmative action*

You know very well already that attempts to derail and mockingly dismiss the actual subject of the discussion do not work with me.

Like what kind of segregated space? You already got your own Woman-Hate thread, your own locker rooms, and dedicated bathrooms with urinals; are you trying to say I'm on team pooner, trying to invade the male safe space of the public toilets?

Like a real life gentlemen club, for example. Also, we get to exclude males we dislike, like trannies.

Women and girls are doing better than boys and men in school because they study harder, not because of affirmative action.
There's an argument to abolish affirmative action, but "make the upper levels of the labor market a male safe space again" isn't one of them

The dismantling of Mens Sana in Corpore Sano genuine masculinity has hurt several male generations who have been endlessly been taught empathy and other feminine attributes are more desirable than strength and assertiveness.
You want affirmative action dismantled? Say it loudly, cause I don't care what your reason is as long as we improve meritocracy some increments.
I know you will refuse to say it though. Being against affirmative action is a HUGE no-no for a progressive like you, and can be life-ruining if found out.

 

[Gremperor]

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Somebody once told me
The moids are gunna roll me
I ain’t the slimmest girl in the threeaaadddd
I was lookin pretty dumb with my tongue inside his bum
posting about giving Jews head

Well, the jews start coming and they don't stop coming
Fed to my mouth and I stuck my fat tongue in
Didn't make sense not to lick their bums
You eat their sharts but your face gets numb

-Brown star by shit mouth

 

[Dr. Jaime Reyes]

See that's pleb thinking right there. To me, I'm increasing my "It's a Wonderful Life" effect, i.e. my work helps others and makes a difference in the world around me.

The number of writers who can make that claim is vanishingly small across all of human history. Do you work in medical research? Do you build rockets?

This is the saddest thing I've heard all week.

Nah. I just don't much care about work. I put in an effort because it's the decent thing to do; I don't deserve a free lunch. But I don't care. The things that give me a sense of achievement and fulfillment are my music, my family, my friends, things like that. I like shitposting; it's an art. I'd rather be recognized as clever and funny than dutiful. Imagine struggling to earn your manager's approval. Could not be me.

I'm hesitant to open up new avenues by which you guys would roast me, so I'm just going to say that my moonshot mid-20s five-year-plan did not involve getting a degree in journalism.

We've run the numbers on the success rate of moonshot-mid-20s-five-year-plans, and the stats department is advising me that your being married and a mother are the best possible outcomes.

 

[Otterly]

Women and girls are doing better than boys and men in school because they study harder, not because of affirmative action.

It’s more to do with how the school system has changed from final exam focused to coursework focused.

https://archive.is/vgTon

This article is excusing the gap shutting duo g Covid lockdowns. Couple of choice quotes;
He said: 'It was down to teacher assessment favouring girls and also allocating lots of top grades to subjective subjects such as the performing and expressive arts and media studies, where excellence is more a matter of opinion.
'In exams, high marks earn top grades, so subjects where there are right answers such as maths and physics award the highest numbers.
'These are also subjects where boys greatly outnumber girls. Hence with exams, boys get more A*s. With teacher assessment, it is the girls.'
And;
Girls outperform boys in all nearly areas of educational attainment. This is especially the case when assessment is by teachers rather than by external examiners.
'The closing of the gender attainment gap was to be expected with the return of external marking of exams.

Saying the quiet part out loud there. Girls outperform boys but when it’s onjective marking the gap goes away. I’ve seen this happen over my lifetime: it suited me to do final exams, and I always loathed group work, but I saw how the system changed even over my time at school. During Covid there was no or very little subjective marking and it was all remote and the boys pulled level/ahead in objective subjects. If we really cared about educational achievement we’d be looking at ways to combine both learning styles to give high quality outcomes.