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Navy SEALs, Delta Force, and SOCOM general - The most "Special" groups in the U.S. Military
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So according to GPT that's a lot of executive compensation. But the catch there is that in "All secure" most of the groundwork is done by Tom and Jen (in 2022 at least). Jen is the CEO, Tom the COO. I think Jen has more actual licenced qualifications in this. From what he said, Tom and Jen were the first to pick up the phone when you call and set up meeting with "coaches" and not therapists.
Their scope is very big and clear; to bring people in from SOF who are afraid the command will investigate their records and get the therapist to give up their notes to them or the therapist might spill compromising info about the SOF dude. I think Jen is also there for the wives and family members who, I think they say, are often the ones who come to them first. Tom (and now and Chris also) vet them, and they link them up with coaches in 24 hours. And pay for 12 sessions out of pocket from the budget, and it's encouraged for them to come with their spouse.
For handling all of that (basically intake admissions) plus running the non-profit itself, 125k is very reasonable, even going on the low end. Problem is that their budget is low at about 1 mill. Where is VanSant though? I guess he was hired in 2023. Their budget must have increased after Chris and Tom's appearance in Shawn Ryan's show, but I don't know by how much. I don't suspect is that much tbh with how the economy is going.
Listening to Mike Glover's podcast with VanSant, he said there are now 4 full-time employees Tom, Jen, Him and Lauren Manley. And 5 coaches. Even with the budget having increased, but the expenses and salaries from the sessions they pay must be pretty high. It'll be interesting to know their 2023 budget.
By the way, Chris mentioned this, who is the mouth breathing-retard running the non-profit taking PTSD riddled veterans on hunting trips or BASE jumping? Are they literally Chris Kyle retarded?
https://www.linkedin.com/in/lauren-manley/ / archive
As an aside, this brings makes me even more suspect of Sentinel foundation. How is an organization with about 2 million dollars in founding for 2022 supposed to fight child-sex trafficking with an around %25 percent compensations in the budget? "It's classified, we don't give our TTPs because the traffickers would know."
https://foundationsentinel.org/about-sentinel-operations/#capabilities / archive
The Director of Law Enforcement engagement, "Yvette A. Thomas" is saying their commitment is worldwide. How are you combatting worldwide child sex-trafficking, with about 1.5 million (in operation costs for 2022) in the budget? And look at those "core capabilities". That is a lot to cover. Look also at 'who we are' part:
We are subject matter experts. Each member of the Sentinel Operations team brings the highest level of experience in their respective fields. Combined, our team's operationally relevant and combat proven experience allows us to adapt to any situation and understand the mindset needed to track down and apprehend sex traffickers.
They are not LEO, so why are they claiming that they can "track down and apprehend" people? Maybe they can help the civilian police with leads, but they cannot arrest people neither locally nor abroad, unless they had a dedicated LEO attaché which at that point wouldn't be a non-profit I think. I might be missing something, but it's fishy.
https://foundationsentinel.org/about-sentinel-operations/#capabilities / archive
The Director of Law Enforcement engagement, "Yvette A. Thomas" is saying their commitment is worldwide. How are you combatting worldwide child sex-trafficking, with about 1.5 million (in operation costs for 2022) in the budget? And look at those "core capabilities". That is a lot to cover. Look also at 'who we are' part:
We are subject matter experts. Each member of the Sentinel Operations team brings the highest level of experience in their respective fields. Combined, our team's operationally relevant and combat proven experience allows us to adapt to any situation and understand the mindset needed to track down and apprehend sex traffickers.
They are not LEO, so why are they claiming that they can "track down and apprehend" people? Maybe they can help the civilian police with leads, but they cannot arrest people neither locally nor abroad, unless they had a dedicated LEO attaché which at that point wouldn't be a non-profit I think. I might be missing something, but it's fishy.
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Ew, zogbots and their overpriced Winkler crap. That hawk should cost $60, not $600. I rock a sharpened entrenched tool instead. Good luck using that Winkler to dig a latrine or a trench.
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If you go to their page or resale page some of them are going into the $800-900 range (!). Tbf I think it's supposed to be more of a "decorative" piece to put into your office or "man cave" and show that you are part of "The Tribe" or at least you LARP as one. Still gay as fuck, though. And they are not even that useful if you want to desecrate or skin a body given how small and tiny they are.
https://www.knifeart.com/winkler-tomahawks.html / archive
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Yeah that's super gay. While it is possible to do a lot of damage with one by choking up high on it and punching with it rather than chopping, it's still way too overpriced and annoying to carry. May as well just get a Cold Steel hawk and chop down the handle, it will cost a lot less but will work the same way and you won't feel too bad throwing it out halfway through a march because you're tired of it digging into your side.
Still, a small shovel has so many other uses but you can still fuck shit up with it almost as well.
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Justtocheck's Opinion piece. BUD/S should be removed from the Navy. I'll put this in the OP
BUD/S, or Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL school, is an arduous six-month training program designed to forge elite warriors from ordinary men. But in today's 21st century warfare, does it still serve its purpose? Is the torturous regimen necessary to create a SEAL? The answer I think is no.
The current system is more about hazing and brand protection (avoiding brand dilution by having too many SEALs) than actual soldiering experience. It turns potential great soldiers into machines of suffering endurance rather than effective fighters. The emphasis on keeping numbers low only serves to protect the SEAL image, not to ensure that every man who wears the insignia is a capable warrior. At the end of BUD/S the graduate is by all accounts much less capable than your average Marine infantryman from a soldiering standpoint.
Moreover, BUD/S injuries and even fatalities are too high for no good reason. Audie Murphy, one of America's greatest soldiers in World War II, didn't need such harsh training to become great. The same goes for other MOH soldiers like Vito Bertoldo. They were just ordinary men who rose to the occasion when their country needed them most. The same can be said for many Medal of Honor winners - they were regular men who had basic training and then became heroes through their actions, not their ability to endure torturous training.
But does every man who goes through SEAL training get out the other end a super elite, exemplary soldier? Hell no, and this thread proves that, with shitbags like DeDolph or Matthews who killed a fellow armed forces member while attempting to sexually assault him with a black Malian guard, while they were all drunk.
In this modern age, of drones, thermals, satellites, etc. where technology and strategy play a greater role in warfare than brute strength, the Navy should reconsider the SEALs actual purpose besides brand. They must adapt to the changing times and ensure that their training reflects the realities of 21st century combat. The BUD/S system may have worked in the past (1980s or 1990s), but it's obviously time for a change. It's time to make the training more relevant, less brutal, and ultimately, better prepare soldiers for the challenges they will face on the battlefield. I don't think the taxpayer would want to keep funding sadistic 6-month hazing evolutions that injure, traumatize and ultimately don't prepare the trainees for the modern battlefield in any way.
BUD/S, or Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL school, is an arduous six-month training program designed to forge elite warriors from ordinary men. But in today's 21st century warfare, does it still serve its purpose? Is the torturous regimen necessary to create a SEAL? The answer I think is no.
The current system is more about hazing and brand protection (avoiding brand dilution by having too many SEALs) than actual soldiering experience. It turns potential great soldiers into machines of suffering endurance rather than effective fighters. The emphasis on keeping numbers low only serves to protect the SEAL image, not to ensure that every man who wears the insignia is a capable warrior. At the end of BUD/S the graduate is by all accounts much less capable than your average Marine infantryman from a soldiering standpoint.
Moreover, BUD/S injuries and even fatalities are too high for no good reason. Audie Murphy, one of America's greatest soldiers in World War II, didn't need such harsh training to become great. The same goes for other MOH soldiers like Vito Bertoldo. They were just ordinary men who rose to the occasion when their country needed them most. The same can be said for many Medal of Honor winners - they were regular men who had basic training and then became heroes through their actions, not their ability to endure torturous training.
But does every man who goes through SEAL training get out the other end a super elite, exemplary soldier? Hell no, and this thread proves that, with shitbags like DeDolph or Matthews who killed a fellow armed forces member while attempting to sexually assault him with a black Malian guard, while they were all drunk.
In this modern age, of drones, thermals, satellites, etc. where technology and strategy play a greater role in warfare than brute strength, the Navy should reconsider the SEALs actual purpose besides brand. They must adapt to the changing times and ensure that their training reflects the realities of 21st century combat. The BUD/S system may have worked in the past (1980s or 1990s), but it's obviously time for a change. It's time to make the training more relevant, less brutal, and ultimately, better prepare soldiers for the challenges they will face on the battlefield. I don't think the taxpayer would want to keep funding sadistic 6-month hazing evolutions that injure, traumatize and ultimately don't prepare the trainees for the modern battlefield in any way.
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One of Chris VanSant's former teammates in C Squadron, Brandon Jackson, was killed in a BASE jumping accident. Link/Archive
I believe Brandon Jackson was one of the youngest Delta Force members when he was selected. Kevin Holland to the right of Jackson.
Jesse Boettcher on the left. A literal diagnosed sociopath who conducts himself like a moron on social media.
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This makes me believe even more Tom and Chris knew about the Hatchets. If Brandon Jackson is literally next to Kevin Holland, the original hatchet dude, then well...
Oh, the valknut again. Guys remind me again why the US military failed to gain hearts and minds in a muslim country? (BTW his insta is totally NSFW. Half of it is dead animals and I saw a skinned one as well) I believe you when you say he's a diagnosed sociopath, but where does it say it? Did he himself admit to it?
Edit: It gets worse.
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He admitted it on one of his podcasts appearances. It was either The Team House Podcast or the Mentors For Military Podcast. I'll try to find it.
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Well, if he makes a shirt out of it, I guess it also counts. %99 he was a hatchet user.
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I'm trying not to get MATI. When you have total air superiority and night vision you should win 99% of the time. More than half of C Squadron got shot. You don't get to brag if you're routinely losing gunfights to malnourished poor people. Red Squadron had to be brought in from Afghanistan to do their jobs for them.
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Added Jesse to the OP. They were too busy making ear-necklesses and pretending to be Mohicans to fight well.
By the way, are you referring to when C lost Steve (a new breacher, can't remember his last name), McNulty and Horrigan? From what I understood, what happened there is that al-Qaeda started bringing foreign fighters who were well versed in CQB and started barricading themselves with PKM and sandbags in hallways, so when the teams started doing the quick CQB they just got lit up? Do you think that's true and just was a failure to adapt, or it was just hubris and incompetence thinking they were invincible and that the enemy would never adapt?
I think that's when it was mentioned that Tier 1 units started doing call-outs and dropping JDAMS on target after 2005.
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They'll tell you it's just part of the job. But SEALs were operating in the same area literally out of the same bases at times and taking virtually no casualties. Whatever Delta was doing wasn't working and they refused to adapt. Regular SEAL Teams were having a higher success rate than Delta. A former SEAL on Reddit said that there are internal DOD metrics proving that SEALs objectively perform better which is why they continue to be chosen for missions in spite of all the war crimes controversy.
Edit- New interview with Kevin Holland Link/Archive
Not really buying this part.
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Okay, first off, thanks @JIDF Team 6 for letting me know of Jesse Boettcher. He's a fucking violent lunatic. Like fuck me holy shit. And second, he was with McNulty on the team where VanSant was supposed to be. I can not believe VanSant at least didn't know about the war crimes. The fucker doesn't even hide it and think it's funny.
Edit: Took me some time but I knew I there had to be a pic with a hatchet on him, I think I found it. Photo is not perfect, but I'm %95 sure that's a fucking Tomahawk.
Why don't you believe that? I'm curious. I think Kevin said they were Uzbeks coming from abroad. Do you think it's just exaggeration?
Edit: Took me some time but I knew I there had to be a pic with a hatchet on him, I think I found it. Photo is not perfect, but I'm %95 sure that's a fucking Tomahawk.
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I don't even know how to react to that knife holder. Rigorous psychological screening my ass. Delta is like the embodiment of Goebbels big lie. Muh most professional and competent unit. Why can't these boomers STFU on the internet? There are more of these guys on Reddit, IG, Linkedin etc than any other group. If you're going to be a fucking psychopath can you at least be a cool, smart psychopath.
The Uzbeks coming from abroad is legit. That has been talked about in several histories of the Afghanistan war. When he says they swooped in and stopped kids from getting raped right before it happened, I mean maybe. Sounds a bit too heroic and convenient. Holland works for "child rescue" NGOs now too.
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WOW, last minute update. I pressed the photo tagged accidentally, looking for more hatches, and looked who I found tagged in the McNulty photo (VanSant and McNulty were best friends from OTC). And look who's following in IG this absolute sociopath. Our good boi VanSant who helps veterans with trauma. No shit, I'd kill myself too if I had to work with someone like Jesse Boettcher.
Edit: Holy shit, they did a podcast together.
Edit: Holy shit, they did a podcast together.
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Lmao at Jesse's attempt at brown facing to blend in. VanSant is looking as a very trad muslim wife lol, the beard genes were not amicable with VanSant.
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At around 46:00 Chris calls him out on his psych eval.
You don't have to be a weirdo to be a good soldier. Just be a good family man like William Owens.
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Chris knows, and he's laughing. Jesus Christ.
But to hear Jesse say, "there were some oddballs and weirdos in that unit, but they were good at their jobs". Oh, my fucking God... If even Jesse think you are too much... damn, C-squadron must have been absolute insanity.