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THIS IS LITERALLY JAN 6TH OMG WE NEED TO INVADE UKRAINE!
We must secure a future for our democracy and for future electoral results!
Russian Special Military Operation in the Ukraine - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion
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We must secure a future for our democracy and for future electoral results!
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There have been reports of retards doing shit like setting fires at polling places or pouring paint into ballot boxes. Unsurprisingly, the same people who keep screeching about the sanctity of Their Democracy are vigorously rubbing themselves over this.
Nothing here that wasn't on the NATO or Soviet cards except more accurate BM's and more and cheaper precision guided ammo and better comms.
They couldn't because modern UAVs and the air arm rely on modern comms, and for example all that satcom bandwidth of the 1980 's military wouldn't be enough to run but handful of modern UAV's Never mind the interaction between the ground forces and ground forces and the air arm at that scale at todays level at that level of size.
Current showcase of Russians quickly identifying and destroying HIMARS and AD system also relies very round o clock dense modern recce/ intelligence in order to targets quickly, and most important on superlative command and control able to quickly task forces to destroy them. Which the technology and C3I nets of the day, back then weren't capable off.
Overal since the 80's there's been massive increases in the amount of bandwidth available for military coms. And also increase in channels.
And really the comms aren't still not good enough for Cold war style expected slugfest. There is a reason why Soviet army had such strong central command and control center during cold war.
Because once you move away from small tactically focused battles and go on conducting larger, more complex operations with multiple elements and formations moving together as part of a greater whole you require strong central command to process and manage and also it's saves on the channels and bandwidth for the comms.
Also, why the Soviets doctrine was so rigged and much of the tactical flexibility down the regiment was lost.
Because they broke all the larger maneuvering elements down into very rigid, but rapid tactical drills which could be completed quickly and efficiently by soldiers and lower maneuvering elements. And It didn't require the commands from the top bar of course the regiment.(saved on comms also. Like i said bandwidth and channels.)
Also, from the squad platoon up to the regiment the officers would know a lot more about a general operation then say in the west. Anyway, this drills then became the building blocks for all the larger menuvering groups, which could and would be combined in different ways and sequences. This meant that at the operational level a commander would be able to put these blocks together in a number of ways, allowing him to maneuver more quickly and decisively
It was the only way they could do such big moving mobile formations of OMG's ( operation maneuvering groups). BTW, this however didn't mean the rank and file soldiers weren't flexible as the Americans thought. How to engaged or bypass the enemy or obstacles was still in the end up to the rank and file. But the mid and high junior officers were, due to the doctrine, very inflexible.
I have no idea what happend. Can I blame Josh for that ?
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Last year, there was some article that claimed that Zelensky has not only been open about the war with his 9 year son but allegedly his son sometimes even gave him war advice.
Maybe the article was geniune?
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Apparently, it was some azovite ukrop's callsign.
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But why?!
Imagine hearing this from a country that has canceled presidential elections and banned all rival parties
And while the Ukrainian psyops agents are busy with this nonsense, the Russians are having fun at the elections.
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Just organizationally they have probably made huge strides, irrespective of comms. What I heard is previously asking for fire suppport would take a day for the loop to close, if not two, as the request went up and down the chain. They appear to have tightened that up massively, given the apparent ability to actually snag something like a himars.
TBH probably just finally adopted organic fire support to a greater degree, such that in particular drone operator units can pass missions directly to the fire support units when they find something of interest (this is actually a lot easier to trust them with than in the past because they can make a recording, so they have receipts and can be held accountable later)
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BOOM!
Also seeing reports about a Sanatorium strike in Odessa, targeting Kiev militias.
Also seeing reports about a Sanatorium strike in Odessa, targeting Kiev militias.
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I've read the Russians even did a second strike just to be absolutely sure initial survivors died. (rescue personnel were hit in the second strike).
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It is irrelevant, but we still spent our limited resources doing it anyway....Imagine hearing this from a country that has canceled presidential elections and banned all rival parties
Where I heard this line before?
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Yeah, that has become pretty standard.
One strike, and then another 30-40 minutes later as they try to evacuate the wounded.
They used that method when they hit the parade ground a while ago, where several hundred Ukrops were 200’d and 300’d.
Cruel? It’s war. They’re not bombing civilians, and those wounded Ukrops that get evacuated can kill Russian soldiers.
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It never feels good to read this sort of thing. I used to get pissed off at Obama's America drone striking weddings and then hitting them again as the first responders were on the scene. This feels close and just as wrong.I think it's about time you put away your engorged hateboner because you're getting to be just as strident and one-note as the Ukrainians that talk about cutting every single Moskal throat.
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This is a good example of be careful what you wish for. The Ukrainians said the Russians were barbarous and cruel. Russia tried the "Ukrainians are our brothers" approach. Didn't work.
So now they are simply fulfilling the Ukrainian's wishes.
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There's a difference between targeting first responders at a medal ceremony for normal troops, and targeting first responders at a neonazi command centre.
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Wait a second… So you’re comparing BOMBING A WEDDING with bombing a military installation or enemy regiment? How in the F does that make sense.
The purpose of an air strike, and with war in general is to kill or wound the enemy.
And taking them ones you didn’t get with the first strike, with a second strike is somehow… What… Mean?
During the Second World War an entire aerial campaign was created just with the purpose of “dehousing” and killing civilian workers. But precision airstrikes are somehow a bridge too far?
What exactly do you think war is? It’s a continuation of politics with other means, those means being killing or incapacitating enemy personnel.
One of those means, and a comparatively very humane one, is precision airstrikes. Firefighters etc. are collateral damage (who btw. Unlike soldiers have the option of not going to a location that has just been struck.)
Like what do you suggest one should do in order “not to have a hateboner”? Perhaps advocating that Russian soldiers use paintballs instead of bullets?
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Obviously to not have a hateboner you're supposed to let them all in no matter how much they hate your people and want to harm the civilians.
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It’s not even the first responders that are being targeted.
(First responders who also have a choice NOT to go in the immediate aftermath of a strike.)
The primary target is the personel who survived or got wounded after the first strike. And the military personel coming to the scene to collect wounded etc.
We’re not talking about a suicide bombing targeting the r first responders after a suicide bombing had just taken place. (As has been seen before.)
The personel arriving at a military target getting hit are primarily other military personel. Not firefighters and ambulance workers.
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Whether they're soldiers or firefighters makes no difference, blowing up someone who would save a nazi is a good deed.