Press release: “Incels” need mental health support rather than a counter terrorism intervention, the world’s largest study of Incels finds (accessible

Link: https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...rlds-largest-study-of-incels-finds-accessible

A ground-breaking study has discovered the complex relationship between mental health, a shared worldview and the social networking of involuntary celibate (incel) communities.

The Commission for Countering Extremism (CCE) commissioned the Swansea University Research on the Incel Community (SURIC) to produce this report. This is the largest global study of incels to date.

Key findings:​

• The answer to the incel phenomenon is more closely aligned to mental health support than counter terrorism interventions.
• Mental Health: Incels typically display extremely poor mental health, with high incidences of depression and suicidal thoughts (one in three incels contemplated suicide every day for the past two weeks). They are also more likely to be neurodivergent, with a higher likelihood of diagnosis for autism spectrum disorder.
• Attitudes and Beliefs: Participants perceived high levels of victimhood, anger, and misogyny. They acknowledged a shared worldview among incels which includes identifying feminists as a primary enemy. They also identified the political (far) left, wider society and women as enemies.
• Approval of violence: There exists a small cohort (5%) who ‘endorse the use of violence to defend their community. When asked if they justify violence against people that incels perceive as causing harm to them, 5% of respondents said ‘Often’. Around 20% said “Sometimes”.
• Political beliefs: Many commentators have suggested a link between incels and the far right. However, this survey found that incels were politically centre-left on average. The exception was the 5% who agreed that violence against individuals that that cause incels harm is often justified; these individuals were politically centre-right.
• Predicting harm: Mental Health and adoption of incel Ideology were significantly more likely to predict the development of harmful views than Social Networking (time spent on social network sites, amount of interaction with others, content generation, and exposure to radical people and content).

Commissioner for Countering Extremism, Robin Simcox said:

What incels truly think and believe has been the source of consistent speculation and conjecture. However, all of us – including those who work in counter extremism – should be led by the evidence.
This study is the most exhaustive research into incels yet and provides a major challenge to conventional wisdoms on the topic. It is no surprise to see the authors uncovered alarming and unacceptable attitudes of misogyny and hatred towards women from incels.
However, the report’s findings suggest that adopting a security or counter-terrorism lens towards incels is not often going to be the most appropriate response. Neither is scaremongering about them forming part of a global Extreme Right Wing threat.
Where there is a risk of violence, the appropriate authorities must always be informed. However, finding ways to ensure this desperate, depressed cohort of men, often with poor mental health, are integrated into society and given appropriate support should also be a key part of any response.

Notes to editors​

• Predicting Harm Among Incels (Involuntary Celibates): The Roles of Mental Health, Ideological Belief and Social Networking will be published on the CCE website at 9am on Thursday 15 February.
• This research was published as part of the CCE’s ‘Rethinking Extremism’ series, to present innovative and thought-provoking research to government, counter-extremism professionals, and the wider public. It forms part of a wider CCE approach to providing advice and scrutiny to government on the approaches needed to counter extremism.
• The research was undertaken by Dr Joe Whittaker, Dr Andrew G. Thomas and William Costello from the Swansea University Research on the Incel Community (SURIC).
• For further information, please contact info@counteringextremism.gov.uk

 

[Mewtwo_Rain]

Looking into the study. Only 30% more men that women are not in a relationship. Not as in incelibate but just not in a relationship. The study even asked the participants if they wanted a relationship and the split was 57/43. Further more it shows that Blacks are more likely to not be in a relationship. If this was about society turning on men you would think it would be more even or Whites most affected.

Which outside of poly/non-monogamous relationships mathematics wise doesn't make sense...

The problem is men not in a relationship are often called incel, and if we take how the term is used it's often refered to men not in a relationship atm. Because by that logic incels could one day get in a relationship.

In regards to the "Whites most affected thing." The one thing that makes these numbers more damning not less is you have to use circumstantial evidence to ponder, are those numbers being low balled and are participants on either side lying for optics. You could argue it's lower by the same metric, but then where would the surplus of incels be coming from, and how come it's become such a big issue in society if the numbers are lower than presented?

 

[Justa Grata Honoria]

They're talking about women, considering how many women latch onto a guy who isn't even dating them these days it's quite obvious what they mean. There are tons of women who have deluded themselves into thinking they are dating a guy they want when they're not and refuse to approach single men who may be worth something because of this misguided belief they have the guy will come around to them or use them for anything but as a side girl.

Your assumption is wrong . The women are just dating older men that study is for men and women between 18 and 30. You can thank the milenial men for that here is another study that proves most old women just dont date and quit the dating market while younger ones are probably dating older men

here is another pew reasearch

https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2020/08/20/a-profile-of-single-americans/

 

[coof coof]

No. I'm a man and I found the advice to interact with men to always be fucking retarded. Men don't act the same way women do and the social skills don't carry over 100%. And if you are nervous around chicks, interacting with men will not make you less nervous. It's exposure therapy, if you are scared of spiders I'm not gonna expose you to snakes.

I think you completely miss the point then. When I have tried to help the younger dudes I've been around who are in this situation I'm not trying to teach them how to pick up chicks. I'm just getting them to do literally anything other than hunch over in a corner looking at a phone avoiding eye contact with everyone. Getting them to go to the gym or on a hike or whatever the fuck completely changes how they carry themselves. Chicks pick up on that. The point wasn't that pick up artist grifters are in any way effective or that people need E-daddies lol.

 

[ZazietheBeast]

Watch as they'll label anything that the establishment doesn't like as incel behavior. Such as paying attention to health, not eating the bugs, avoiding the MSM and avoiding goyslop like a plague.

Long story short, they don't want to work the plantation and it worries the masters. After all, the slaves have nothing to gain by working the plantation.

This would be satire a decade ago, and would just confuse people back in the 80's or 90's. Virgins weren't despised or demonized as literal terrorists, just mocked in movies like Revenge of the Berds and 40 Year Old Virgin. Make a film about them now and it won't be a playful comedy, it'd be closer to a propagandistic version of Joker.

They already did. It was a movie that was supposed to be a counterpoint to the Joker. Its called "Incel"

 

[Smashed & Slamed]

Which outside of poly/non-monogamous relationships mathematics wise doesn't make sense...

Except over 65 women are more likely to be single than men
And faggots are more likely to be single and men are more likely to be faggots than women being carpet munchers. Basically because of sugar babies and turbo fags you're trying to argue that it's all ogre.

In regards to the "Whites most affected thing." The one thing that makes these numbers more damning not less is you have to use circumstantial evidence to ponder, are those numbers being low balled and are participants on either side lying for optics.

So the numbers are fake. But they are bad. Again whites are the least likely to be incels. If this was an inline with socio economic factors, asians should be less likely.

but then where would the surplus of incels be coming from, and how come it's become such a big issue in society if the numbers are lower than presented?

It's well known that male immigrants are less likely to get in relationships than female immigrants. Also blacks are more likely to be gay than whites so that's another factor. It feels you really want the situation to be apocalyptic. When in reality it's mostly people who should not reproduce that aren't reproducing and the majority do so willingly.

 

[Mewtwo_Rain]

Your assumption is wrong . The women are just dating older men that study is for men and women between 18 and 30. You can thank the milenial men for that here is another study that proves most old women just dont date and quit the dating market while younger ones are probably dating older men

One thing that study doesn't mention how many of those relationships are non-straight ones, which IIRC Pew's referenced in 18-29 Market 1/5th were dating each other, which still leaves more men outside a relationship in a standard way. It also doesn't make a good situation if women are leading to a generational war on the dating front.

Except over 65 women are more likely to be single than men
And faggots are more likely to be single and men are more likely to be faggots than women being carpet munchers. Basically because of sugar babies and turbo fags you're trying to argue that it's all ogre.

Yet the gay relationships are also a number not directly applied in the numbers bar one study again that claimed the younger generation was having like 1/5 (20%) of the women embracing homo-relationships. That's without factoring the men. So that fudges the numbers a bit on the picture being painted.

So the numbers are fake. But they are bad. Again whites are the least likely to be incels. If this was an inline with socio economic factors, asians should be less likely.

I don't think that's primarily the issue with any of the groups or why they have a hard time with relationships in question.

It's well known that male immigrants are less likely to get in relationships than female immigrants. Also blacks are more likely to be gay than whites so that's another factor. It feels you really want the situation to be apocalyptic. When in reality it's mostly people who should not reproduce that aren't reproducing and the majority do so willingly.

Why exaggerate, the issue is from years ago it's been getting worse and worse in the dating market which generally when touching grass most people from most generations agree, why is that, and if it continues will that not in effect make it worse going forward? The whole point of stopping a slope going down is you don't want to wait until everything hits the shitter to fix the problem or nip it in the bud. Same too this issue.

Also with how people's IQs are dropping I'd be hard-pressed to agree that those who shouldn't reproduce aren't, and the majority are. That's a subject for another topic of debate though

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

Except over 65 women are more likely to be single than men

Has the study been adjusted for the fact that women tend to outlive men? Think it was by something like 6 years in the US, mean the average married woman becomes single due to bereavement more often the average married man does.

 

[Pentex]

A ground-breaking study

I can feel my eyes rolling every time I read this phrase.

Have I lost faith in the heckin' Science?

I find the prospect of being declared mentally invalid and worthy of therapeutic authoritarianism is more contemptible and terrifying than simply being branded a thought-criminal or a heretic against the current political orthodoxy.

 

[Smashed & Slamed]

I don't think that's primarily the issue with any of the groups or why they have a hard time with relationships in question.

If this was society breaking down the population that keeps society going and makes up the vast majority of society should be the one most tainted by this issue, if it was an issue. If the population living on welfare and doing crime are all incels it defeats all the arguments about women wanting thugs.

Why exaggerate, the issue is from years ago it's been getting worse and worse in the dating market which generally when touching grass most people from most generations agree, why is that, and if it continues will that not in effect make it worse going forward? The whole point of stopping a slope going down is you don't want to wait until everything hits the shitter to fix the problem or nip it in the bud. Same too this issue.

The study was done in 2021 but compiled in 2022. I wonder what massive social issue took place between 2019 and 2021. Maybe something that forbade people from socializing at all. An event where people lost jobs and as such were unable to afford relationships. An event that has had repercussions to this day.

Also with how people's IQs are dropping I'd be hard-pressed to agree that those who shouldn't reproduce aren't, and the majority are. That's a subject for another topic of debate though

IQs are dropping. Despite birth rates being in the shitter for the past 30 years. IQs are going down. It's not cause low IQ populations are moving into high IQ nations.

 

[Mewtwo_Rain]

If this was society breaking down the population that keeps society going and makes up the vast majority of society should be the one most tainted by this issue, if it was an issue. If the population living on welfare and doing crime are all incels it defeats all the arguments about women wanting thugs.

The whole loss of skills, loss of higher education, unemployment increasing (the actual reality not the fudged numbers) and other such issues does attribute to the idea of society breaking down as time goes on.

The study was done in 2021 but compiled in 2022. I wonder what massive social issue took place between 2019 and 2021. Maybe something that forbade people from socializing at all. An event where people lost jobs and as such were unable to afford relationships. An event that has had repercussions to this day.

Even after the economy is still having issues, but there's a larger picture of some of those issues, which I'm sure you're aware of.

IQs are dropping. Despite birth rates being in the shitter for the past 30 years. IQs are going down. It's not cause low IQ populations are moving into high IQ nations.

50/50.

It's both. We are importing the third world and becoming the third world, and not holding standards in education due to "discrimination/racism" is what's leading to lower IQ teachers teaching students thus leading to education problems in students. Importing a large amount of 70-80 IQ people into 100 IQ nations also isn't helping with trying to normalize "equity" in educational value which hurts the higher IQ students vs. the lower IQ students.

 

[Sniperwoof]

For all the people jeering that "incels" are all low IQ losers and society can go on without them.

What exactly happens when no one is around to unload trucks, or stock warehouses or work on assembly lines?

A lot of jobs that are absolutely critical for maintaining the supply/food chain aren't exactly staffed by geniuses.

A defeated and demoralized workforce hurts everyone.

 

[Justa Grata Honoria]

For all the people jeering that "incels" are all low IQ losers and society can go on without them.

What exactly happens when no one is around to unload trucks, or stock warehouses or work on assembly lines?

A lot of jobs that are absolutely critical for maintaining the supply/food chain aren't exactly staffed by geniuses.

What they do now dumbass import more labour and continue like its nothing wrong . You are replaceable cog in the machine and interchangeable with other 8 billion cogs my nigga. Nobody cares if you are demoralised and when you die you wont be missed . Welcome to imperium of man .

 

[YourFriendlyLurker 2.0]

Health support therapy should be all about amputating their internet connection for good. No internet - no incels.

 

[God of Nothing]

What they do now dumbass import more labour and continue like its nothing wrong . You are replaceable cog in the machine and interchangeable with other 8 billion cogs my nigga. Nobody cares if you are demoralised and when you die you wont be missed . Welcome to imperium of man .

woman continues to complain about rape while importing rapists

 

[Safir]

Dunno if pedoshielding or the ever-expanding psychiatric state. Probably both.

 

[Forsaken Wanderer]

Let us pray that the shit pipe will clog ASAP

Given how white men are beaten down and told the only way to stop it is to troon out I don't think it's going to happen anytime soon.

 

[Ser Prize]

I just think too many Farmers are stuck in the bubble of 2010's were the incels and Lolcows were the same. In the 2020's things have gotten so bad, that's clearly no longer the case but for some reason a bunch of you tards seem stuck in the past. The modern day incel doesn't look like fucking Chris Chan.

As said, you can't look at that 60% of young men being incel number and conclude that they're all Chris-chan. The MAJORITY of young men can't all be lolcows, that's just not possible. But admitting it's a situation hitting the average man would be admitting that they don't deserve it, and as the fairest sex shows in this very thread, that will never happen.

They will never take a step back and think "huh why is this happening?". Because they know the answer is "because you let it". Instead the beatings and demonization will continue until morale improves.

 

[God of Nothing]

As said, you can't look at that 60% of young men being incel number and conclude that they're all Chris-chan. The MAJORITY of young men can't all be lolcows, that's just not possible. But admitting it's a situation hitting the average man would be admitting that they don't deserve it, and as the fairest sex shows in this very thread, that will never happen.

They will never take a step back and think "huh why is this happening?". Because they know the answer is "because you let it". Instead the beatings and demonization will continue until morale improves.

they will do exactly that and pretend like everything is fine and dandy
i mean, that's what they're doing already

 

[browserbowser]

And no half of all men ages 18-35 having little to no sexual experience isn't normal or healthy for society.

It may not be healthy but like chemotherapy it is necessary

 

[God of Nothing]

It may not be healthy but like chemotherapy it is necessary

how else will the troublesome independent thinkers and micro-wealth hoarders be replaced?