Press release: “Incels” need mental health support rather than a counter terrorism intervention, the world’s largest study of Incels finds (accessible

Link: https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...rlds-largest-study-of-incels-finds-accessible

A ground-breaking study has discovered the complex relationship between mental health, a shared worldview and the social networking of involuntary celibate (incel) communities.

The Commission for Countering Extremism (CCE) commissioned the Swansea University Research on the Incel Community (SURIC) to produce this report. This is the largest global study of incels to date.

Key findings:​

• The answer to the incel phenomenon is more closely aligned to mental health support than counter terrorism interventions.
• Mental Health: Incels typically display extremely poor mental health, with high incidences of depression and suicidal thoughts (one in three incels contemplated suicide every day for the past two weeks). They are also more likely to be neurodivergent, with a higher likelihood of diagnosis for autism spectrum disorder.
• Attitudes and Beliefs: Participants perceived high levels of victimhood, anger, and misogyny. They acknowledged a shared worldview among incels which includes identifying feminists as a primary enemy. They also identified the political (far) left, wider society and women as enemies.
• Approval of violence: There exists a small cohort (5%) who ‘endorse the use of violence to defend their community. When asked if they justify violence against people that incels perceive as causing harm to them, 5% of respondents said ‘Often’. Around 20% said “Sometimes”.
• Political beliefs: Many commentators have suggested a link between incels and the far right. However, this survey found that incels were politically centre-left on average. The exception was the 5% who agreed that violence against individuals that that cause incels harm is often justified; these individuals were politically centre-right.
• Predicting harm: Mental Health and adoption of incel Ideology were significantly more likely to predict the development of harmful views than Social Networking (time spent on social network sites, amount of interaction with others, content generation, and exposure to radical people and content).

Commissioner for Countering Extremism, Robin Simcox said:

What incels truly think and believe has been the source of consistent speculation and conjecture. However, all of us – including those who work in counter extremism – should be led by the evidence.
This study is the most exhaustive research into incels yet and provides a major challenge to conventional wisdoms on the topic. It is no surprise to see the authors uncovered alarming and unacceptable attitudes of misogyny and hatred towards women from incels.
However, the report’s findings suggest that adopting a security or counter-terrorism lens towards incels is not often going to be the most appropriate response. Neither is scaremongering about them forming part of a global Extreme Right Wing threat.
Where there is a risk of violence, the appropriate authorities must always be informed. However, finding ways to ensure this desperate, depressed cohort of men, often with poor mental health, are integrated into society and given appropriate support should also be a key part of any response.

Notes to editors​

• Predicting Harm Among Incels (Involuntary Celibates): The Roles of Mental Health, Ideological Belief and Social Networking will be published on the CCE website at 9am on Thursday 15 February.
• This research was published as part of the CCE’s ‘Rethinking Extremism’ series, to present innovative and thought-provoking research to government, counter-extremism professionals, and the wider public. It forms part of a wider CCE approach to providing advice and scrutiny to government on the approaches needed to counter extremism.
• The research was undertaken by Dr Joe Whittaker, Dr Andrew G. Thomas and William Costello from the Swansea University Research on the Incel Community (SURIC).
• For further information, please contact info@counteringextremism.gov.uk

 

[Unsane]

“Incels” need mental health support rather than a counter terrorism intervention

Oh, really!

Jake shot dead a 3-year-old girl, amongst others.

 

[browserbowser]

how else will the troublesome independent thinkers and micro-wealth hoarders be replaced?

Myopia is a problem not directly related to ocular health.

Comfy people with shit to lose don't fix things

 

[sperginity]

what incels really actually need is a plate of tendies and a hug from their mom

 

[God of Nothing]

Comfy people with shit to lose don't fix things

neither do savages nor disenfranchised and demoralized people
you're either a naïve accelerationist or the kind of dumbass that thinks someone with nothing to lose is anyone you can rely on
those willing to risk everything they have in the pursuit of right are needed than rather than a bunch of pissed off people who are useful idiots at best

 

[browserbowser]

neither do savages nor disenfranchised and demoralized people
you're either a naïve accelerationist or the kind of dumbass that thinks someone with nothing to lose is anyone you can rely on
those willing to risk everything they have in the pursuit of right are needed than rather than a bunch of pissed off people who are useful idiots at best

Well given that we don't live in a comic book and the only alternatives to change won't, or can't, work you're stuck with shitty alternatives or accepting the continued deterioration of society.

Your ideal heroes don't exist and never have.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Watch as they'll label anything that the establishment doesn't like as incel behavior.

They literally called Johnny Depp an incel, even happily married men like Matt Walsh. It's just another worthless word every libtard hurls around flippantly, like Nazi.

The replies ITT are a great example of why incels can't get laid

Are you able to quote one specific example and explain why?

 

[God of Nothing]

Well given that we don't live in a comic book and the only alternatives to change won't, or can't, work you're stuck with shitty alternatives or accepting the continued deterioration of society.

Oh, it would work. But asking everyone to be responsible, reasonable, and stop taking the easy way out of life responsibilities doesn't click well with the "you do you" bullshit of today.

Your ideal heroes don't exist and never have.

tip your fedora, why don't you?

 

[browserbowser]

Oh, it would work. But asking everyone to be responsible, reasonable, and stop taking the easy way out of life responsibilities doesn't click well with the "you do you" bullshit of today.

How would that solve inflation, the housing crisis, hookup culture or really culture in general, politically opportunistic inflaming of gender ideologues by criminals in government, illegal immigration and H1Bs being handed out like candy, or really fucking anything?

If that was all it took these complex problems would be solved already.

tip your fedora, why don't you?

It's no less cringe and fucking gay than the saccharine notion that this or even most issues will be solved by what amounts to the power of friendship. Grow the fuck up. People don't fix shit that doesn't feel broken and that rubric works all the way up the chain to populations of nations and empires, go read a history book if you disagree with that.

 

[God of Nothing]

How would that solve inflation, the housing crisis, hookup culture or really culture in general, politically opportunistic inflaming of gender ideologues by criminals in government, illegal immigration and H1Bs being handed out like candy, or really fucking anything?

If that was all it took these complex problems would be solved already.

The solutions to all these problems are actions in which people will protest due to short-term losses in spite of long-term recovery and gains. Being responsible, reasonable, and making the hard decision is exactly what society needs in its people. It really is quite simple. Problem lays not just in comfort but a lack of morality or care in society.

It's no less cringe and fucking gay than the saccharine notion that this or even most issues will be solved by what amounts to the power of friendship. Grow the fuck up. People don't fix shit that doesn't feel broken and that rubric works all the way up the chain to populations of nations and empires, go read a history book if you disagree with that.

if you read a history book, you'd see figures you'd deride as whatever comic book hero shit you were bringing up to me for whatever retarded reason

 

[browserbowser]

Being responsible, reasonable, and making the hard decision is exactly what society needs in its people. It really is quite simple. Problem lays not just in comfort but a lack of morality or care in society.

And just how do you propose to actualize this solution?

if you read a history book, you'd see figures you'd deride as whatever comic book hero shit you were bringing up to me for whatever retarded reason

Name one then, name a single instance comparable to the shift in both culture and governance necessary to bring about the "simple" change that would somehow get these men girlfriends that both had a fantastical character and came from a positive emotional framework rather than a deep-seated, collective acknowledgement of failure at a fundamental level.

You fucking cant. To be clear my vitriolic stance comes not from you specifically but from seeing this shit everywhere it's talked about as if somehow an entire society spanning a continent in it's breadth can have it's cake and eat it too.

 

[AMERICA]

Yes there are legit maniacs like Elliot Rodgers put there but a majority of incels are average to slightly above average guys working in tech who would be married with kids 40 years ago.

And no half of all men ages 18-35 having little to no sexual experience isn't normal or healthy for society.

I agree with you that these things contribute to the issue, but incels are absolutely a historical norm. If anything the 50's were an outlier. Historically 80% of women reproduce, compared to only 40% of men. I think it is inevitable that there will always be incels in society. It sucks to be on the losing side of sexual selection but that's just how it goes.

That being said I am all for trying to find ways to support these incels as it seems like a miserable existence.

 

[God of Nothing]

And just how do you propose to actualize this solution?

Easy, I mock retards I can't get be rid of on the internet and real life around me until they either get better or fuck off. Convince others to do the same in interest of a better community. Having standards in your life does wonders if you have the balls to hold on to them and get others to.

Name one then, name a single instance comparable to the shift in both culture and governance necessary to bring about the "simple" change that would somehow get these men girlfriends

I like how you go from the overall collapse in society to hyperfocusing on this one issue to try and trap me in a bind.
But this kind of thing isn't new.

had a fantastical character and came from a positive emotional framework rather than a deep-seated, collective acknowledgement of failure at a fundamental level.

And then you set the goalpost so astronomically high you have me thinking of the strawman incel who expects snow white

 

[Dracula's Spirit Animal]

I used to have a loathing of incels which approached that I have for feminists, journos, troons, and people who protest, but I've kind of been re-evaluating my thinking on that the last couple of years thanks to KF. One thing I have to say is: thank Christ I don't have to try to negotiate this dating/mating/politically-charged/adversarial system. It used to be (70s, 80s, 90s), we all just recognized women are nutters and men are retarded and got together amicably, both heading to a common, albeit with different motivations, goal. That shit has been lost.

Anyhow, bear with me as I think this out. I don't know if it's what I actually believe, yet, but it's seeming like the direction my understanding is heading.

Spoiler

I think the main revulsion I had with the incel thing is exactly the problem I have with niggers, fags, and feminists: victim-thinking: arguing for their own failures which they always place outside of themselves into some mystical mumbo-jumbo which would make Alex Jones or Aquinas blush with the fanciful conspiracy of it all. Satan, patriarchy, homophobia,, feminism, etc etc etc.

I think it comes down to that we have now deeloped a social order where resilience is considered a sin, and weakness a virtue. I think it all comes down to a sense of learned helplessness.

And why wouldn't people feel helpless?

WE live in a vastly connected global community where we are quite really one in billions, and fostering online communities or whatever can never erase that from our awareness. We live in a world where giant corporations or governments can effectively un-person us at a whim. We are inundated with idiotic and narcissistic stories of Hollywood heroism or "and then everyone clapped", or a big "there there" for every emotional slight. We have an awareness that we can be erased and our effect on the world can be obliterated in a second for the most nonsensical or banal reasons. And we are TOLD that all the time. There is no real sense of a community one has an impact on for many people.

The incels have their feminism or Staceys or whatever. The boogieman. But there has been a lifetime for younger males nowadays that they are essentially vermin and the cause of all wrong-doing. Speaking is mansplaining. Sitting is manspreading. Making eye contact is assault. Showing interest is a threat or violence. NAtural human desires, emotional, sexual, and deeper, are something which is a wrongness. You can be destroyed by innuendo. And if it does work out, the narrative is still that it can all be ripped away arbitrarily off of the whim of someone else, and utterly ruin the foundations of your life. How could you not feel helpless in that situation?

FEminism has the same issues. The Patriarchy and rape-culture are boogiemen, plus a myriad of other dubious concepts like the wage gap, DV stats, and countless others, very few which actually withstand scrutiny. Again, there is an aspect of culture, especially in a current backlash which maybe gains traction from the Old Testament, of women as all the problems with the world. Pandora, I suppose. Your emotioanl reactions are belittled as overly dramatic. Called non-rational, etc etc etc. Attacked unfairly in every way by a system set up against you, just like the incels think, one in which all the power is wielded by people who hate you. A system where a very real threat of constant sexual violence, imminent and prolific, is asserted to you to be a basic reality. How could that not lead to helplessness and resentment?

Similarly with niggers.Boogiemen of white-supremacy, historical injustice, racism as the boogiemen. You will fail. The system is actively subjugating you. You are viewed as mentally inferior. You will never be given a chance. The worst examples of niggerness are emblematic of you, just as the incels have the brush painting them as emotionally maladapted rapist minded fuckers (I kind of still have that bias, I'm afraid), and feminists face the dismissal as weak, irrational, emotionally labile children.

How on earth is anyone pounded with these as their identity mythology ever to think they have any power? That they have a chance of success? That they'd be anything other than resentful? It's all learned helplessness, maybe, and maybe that's the entire backdrop of the fundamental structures of modern thought, a kind of embittered, hopelessly victim identifying neo-Marxism. Dunno.

Just kind of thinking things out there a bit, so disregard the autism, I suck cock.

 

[Ebonic Tutor]

The replies ITT are a great example of why incels can't get laid

No, you're just the reason many men are voluntarily celibate.

They already did. It was a movie that was supposed to be a counterpoint to the Joker. Its called "Incel"

You mean Cuck... it played on KFMN a few times, it's a doozy but lolworthy dogshit.

They literally called Johnny Depp an incel, even happily married men like Matt Walsh. It's just another worthless word every libtard hurls around flippantly, like Nazi.

Bingo, I basically got called one after my girlfriend had just dumped me? Like do they even get what the word means anymore? Yeah I'm not getting laid atm, but lol that doesn't mean I'm an incel. Just I don't see anything worth trying for.

The incels have their feminism or Staceys or whatever. The boogieman. But there has been a lifetime for younger males nowadays that they are essentially vermin and the cause of all wrong-doing. Speaking is mansplaining. Sitting is manspreading. Making eye contact is assault. Showing interest is a threat or violence. NAtural human desires, emotional, sexual, and deeper, are something which is a wrongness. You can be destroyed by innuendo. And if it does work out, the narrative is still that it can all be ripped away arbitrarily off of the whim of someone else, and utterly ruin the foundations of your life. How could you not feel helpless in that situation?

It really does make it hard being a slightly awkward person that has a legit interest in somebody. You just end up terrified they'll take any sign of interest wrong and call you a monster for it. Something is really wrong with society if so many guys feel that same problem, and it's not the men that are the issue... maybe not the women either. Society as a whole has encouraged this weird backwards thinking where you can't even interact with other people outside of work / in public that you don't know without being considered weird to some degree.

 

[Android raptor]

No, you're just the reason many men are voluntarily celibate

Then I'm doing something right and will keep doing what I'm doing

 

[God of Nothing]

The incels have their feminism or Staceys or whatever. The boogieman. But there has been a lifetime for younger males nowadays that they are essentially vermin and the cause of all wrong-doing. Speaking is mansplaining. Sitting is manspreading. Making eye contact is assault. Showing interest is a threat or violence. NAtural human desires, emotional, sexual, and deeper, are something which is a wrongness. You can be destroyed by innuendo. And if it does work out, the narrative is still that it can all be ripped away arbitrarily off of the whim of someone else, and utterly ruin the foundations of your life. How could you not feel helpless in that situation?

even acknowledging this is seen as complaining and whining

Your emotioanl reactions are belittled as overly dramatic. Called non-rational, etc etc etc. Attacked unfairly in every way by a system set up against you, just like the incels think, one in which all the power is wielded by people who hate you. A system where a very real threat of constant sexual violence, imminent and prolific, is asserted to you to be a basic reality. How could that not lead to helplessness and resentment?

the typical response to emotions in men by both sexes is for them to calm down
yet for women, you must sympathize with them
did you expect a system made by people who say both are equal not to have this dysfunction? a cognitive dissonance?

It really does make it hard being a slightly awkward person that has a legit interest in somebody. You just end up terrified they'll take any sign of interest wrong and call you a monster for it. Something is really wrong with society if so many guys feel that same problem, and it's not the men that are the issue... maybe not the women either. Society as a whole has encouraged this weird backwards thinking where you can't even interact with other people outside of work / in public that you don't know without being considered weird to some degree.

If they show no interest in you or seem bothered, don't even try. You can't negotiate attraction or interest. Casual conversation is a lost art and often wasted on those who don't have it. At that point, you're just talking to yourself. One of the weirdest experiences I had was realizing how functional I was in comparison to a lot of people around me in college. There's something wrong when people are unwilling or afraid to say anything. It's one thing when it comes to complicated topics and another when you're waiting outside for class to start or the bus to come.

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

And no half of all men ages 18-35 having little to no sexual experience isn't normal or healthy for society.

For a sexually deviant society most men are sexless, Hows that even normal.

 

[derpherp2]

Then I'm doing something right and will keep doing what I'm doing

By all means cut yourself twice as much. I'm sure it'll make daddy love you.

Which outside of poly/non-monogamous relationships mathematics wise doesn't make sense...

The problem is men not in a relationship are often called incel, and if we take how the term is used it's often refered to men not in a relationship atm. Because by that logic incels could one day get in a relationship.

In regards to the "Whites most affected thing." The one thing that makes these numbers more damning not less is you have to use circumstantial evidence to ponder, are those numbers being low balled and are participants on either side lying for optics. You could argue it's lower by the same metric, but then where would the surplus of incels be coming from, and how come it's become such a big issue in society if the numbers are lower than presented?

I don't trust studies trying to peddle a cure as a habit.
Especially if they do word jewery.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

No fucking shit, turns out actually addressing issues usually resolves them!

And in other news, dihydrogen monoxide is a liquid under standard temperature and pressure!

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

Honestly those with rape fantasies should get raided. But I don't think it's beneficial for a guy to express his displeasure of not being loved & call him a incel. People who are married with kids are called incels. How's that going to stop "radicalization" if we push said disenfranchised men?