Press release: “Incels” need mental health support rather than a counter terrorism intervention, the world’s largest study of Incels finds (accessible

Link: https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...rlds-largest-study-of-incels-finds-accessible

A ground-breaking study has discovered the complex relationship between mental health, a shared worldview and the social networking of involuntary celibate (incel) communities.

The Commission for Countering Extremism (CCE) commissioned the Swansea University Research on the Incel Community (SURIC) to produce this report. This is the largest global study of incels to date.

Key findings:​

• The answer to the incel phenomenon is more closely aligned to mental health support than counter terrorism interventions.
• Mental Health: Incels typically display extremely poor mental health, with high incidences of depression and suicidal thoughts (one in three incels contemplated suicide every day for the past two weeks). They are also more likely to be neurodivergent, with a higher likelihood of diagnosis for autism spectrum disorder.
• Attitudes and Beliefs: Participants perceived high levels of victimhood, anger, and misogyny. They acknowledged a shared worldview among incels which includes identifying feminists as a primary enemy. They also identified the political (far) left, wider society and women as enemies.
• Approval of violence: There exists a small cohort (5%) who ‘endorse the use of violence to defend their community. When asked if they justify violence against people that incels perceive as causing harm to them, 5% of respondents said ‘Often’. Around 20% said “Sometimes”.
• Political beliefs: Many commentators have suggested a link between incels and the far right. However, this survey found that incels were politically centre-left on average. The exception was the 5% who agreed that violence against individuals that that cause incels harm is often justified; these individuals were politically centre-right.
• Predicting harm: Mental Health and adoption of incel Ideology were significantly more likely to predict the development of harmful views than Social Networking (time spent on social network sites, amount of interaction with others, content generation, and exposure to radical people and content).

Commissioner for Countering Extremism, Robin Simcox said:

What incels truly think and believe has been the source of consistent speculation and conjecture. However, all of us – including those who work in counter extremism – should be led by the evidence.
This study is the most exhaustive research into incels yet and provides a major challenge to conventional wisdoms on the topic. It is no surprise to see the authors uncovered alarming and unacceptable attitudes of misogyny and hatred towards women from incels.
However, the report’s findings suggest that adopting a security or counter-terrorism lens towards incels is not often going to be the most appropriate response. Neither is scaremongering about them forming part of a global Extreme Right Wing threat.
Where there is a risk of violence, the appropriate authorities must always be informed. However, finding ways to ensure this desperate, depressed cohort of men, often with poor mental health, are integrated into society and given appropriate support should also be a key part of any response.

Notes to editors​

• Predicting Harm Among Incels (Involuntary Celibates): The Roles of Mental Health, Ideological Belief and Social Networking will be published on the CCE website at 9am on Thursday 15 February.
• This research was published as part of the CCE’s ‘Rethinking Extremism’ series, to present innovative and thought-provoking research to government, counter-extremism professionals, and the wider public. It forms part of a wider CCE approach to providing advice and scrutiny to government on the approaches needed to counter extremism.
• The research was undertaken by Dr Joe Whittaker, Dr Andrew G. Thomas and William Costello from the Swansea University Research on the Incel Community (SURIC).
• For further information, please contact info@counteringextremism.gov.uk

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

You're helping me develop more empathy for the autistic as we speak, cheers!

Edit: This is gonna sound dumb but why can I not quote @Harbinger of Kali Yuga

Highlight the part you want to quote and then press "reply" on the little popup box. You can do this multiple times. Best feature of the forums. But if you're gonna be snarky I'm probably not going to respond.

 

[Bungdit Din]

You're helping me develop more empathy for the autistic as we speak, cheers!

You're gonna need it to deal with your post-Wall 'tard-babies, roastie.

A bit too mean? I feel I may've crossed a line with that one...

 

[Apustajan apustaja]

"Intelligence is situated in Japanese men" is the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard. You better not impregnate anyone if you're autistic enough to believe that.

2 late, and if we are not breeding jews that is where we have to go.

 

[The REAL Hatsune Miku]

Will you women stop? It's no secret to guys, whether it's losers or Chads that women will still date complete and utter assholes. If a ripped 6'2" guy says the same things Elliott Rodger did he could still easily get laid.

I don't necessarily see why this is a problem specific to women. There are many, many men who value women only for their appearance (which is what a lot of Incels are mad at women for, presumably) and would gladly date a dumb, bitchy bimbo who treats them like shit as long as she is attractive. Lots of women are idiots, lots of men are idiots, I don't see why this becomes such a target of sneeding autist rage.

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

I don't necessarily see why this is a problem specific to women. There are many, many men who value women only for their appearance (which is what a lot of Incels are mad at women for, presumably) and would gladly date a dumb, bitchy bimbo who treats them like shit as long as she is attractive. Lots of women are idiots, lots of men are idiots, I don't see why this becomes such a target of sneeding autist rage.

Both men and women are very attracted to visual things, and women put more weight into things like wealth and status. Neither sex is going to change human reality by shouting out Western ideological standards at each other. Both sexes have to work on their physical appearances. Right now, and you go directly to hell if you deny this, there's a huge push for the idea that "ALL" women are beautiful and that women don't have to work on themselves physically. The body positivity movement is a woman's movement that pretends otherwise because of the nature of progressive politics, but just go to google image search and type in "body positivity" and see what results you get. Go on, try. Uber fat women are being told and think they are high value and they're complete dicks to men well within their league because of the niggerization of America where even these fat hoes think they're worth a rap star daddy.

Go on instagram and find some fat whale's pictures, you'll have mountains of simps and especially other woman going "YOU ARE GORGEOUS GIRL" even though it's more like "YOU ARE GORLOCK, GIRL." While these same kinds of women will mercilessly mock men for their physiques and totally ignore them. These fat women think they deserve a ripped Chad too.

You may not be addicted to tiktok and not see these things or carry this influence, and maybe you don't hang around the people that do, but trust me, this is not the majority anymore and many many many women are like this now. America is a cultural ghetto. Stuff like MGTOW exists for various reasons, including a lack of quality options.

 

[The REAL Hatsune Miku]

Go on instagram and find some fat whale's pictures, you'll have mountains of simps and especially other woman going "YOU ARE GORGEOUS GIRL" even though it's more like "YOU ARE GORLOCK, GIRL." While these same kinds of women will mercilessly mock men for their physiques and totally ignore them. These fat women think they deserve a ripped Chad too.

That may be true, but I do not see the reason to put this on women or really to sperg about it at all. There are probably endless polls and anecdotes people can bring up to justify "most women" or "most men" being a certain way. Body positivity is indeed retarded though, unless it's being body positive about not cutting your dick or tits off to feel better.

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

That may be true, but I do not see the reason to put this on women or really to sperg about it at all. There are probably endless polls and anecdotes people can bring up to justify "most women" or "most men" being a certain way. Body positivity is indeed retarded though, unless it's being body positive about not cutting your dick or tits off to feel better.

That's not the point. The point is the double standards and refusal of modern society to realize that both sexes aren't the same and neither are the dating dynamics. I don't care what you think, younger women do not have anywhere close to the problems young men have dating, and most men in their 20s without a name or wealth go utterly ignored or just get used for fun. If a woman has problems dating in her 20s, that's her fault. If a man can't get any attention in his 30s, it's most likely his fault as well.

A lot of these loser incels, if they start to work on themselves at all, will find that the tables will start to turn in their 30s. As women start to hit the wall, men hit their peak. And then the rhetoric from the women starts to change. The same women that dated men >10 years their age now scream and shout and call men dating women 10 years younger 'pedophiles' because they can no longer get a man in his peak. I've had women tell me I should be looking for women 10 years older than me and that it was creepy I considered women 10 years younger than me in my own range. Think about that for a moment, when we men constantly hear girl math like that it really makes our ears perk up and tells us what's really going on in their heads.

Most men do not have the standards modern women do. Most men don't genuinely have cup size preferences, etc, but women will set their dating app filters to start at 6'.



But if these loser men work on themselves and realize that relationship success usually comes in their 30s and not 20s and work on themselves they will do a lot better. Society bombards people with false narratives about reality; seeing a ton of men in their 20s get married in Hollywood films sets a false expectation that that's normal. For most men your 20s it's gonna be rough.

 

[KittyGremlin]

A lot of these loser incels, if they start to work on themselves at all, will find that the tables will start to turn in their 30s. As women start to hit the wall, men hit their peak. And then the rhetoric from the women starts to change. The same women that dated men >10 years their age now scream and shout and call men dating women 10 years younger 'pedophiles' because they can no longer get a man in his peak. I've had women tell me I should be looking for women 10 years older than me and that it was creepy I considered women 10 years younger than me in my own range. Think about that for a moment, when we men constantly hear girl math like that it really makes our ears perk up and tells us what's really going on in their heads.

In all honesty, it's better to just stay single forever than to even consider dating the same insane woman 10 years in the future. I just think that incels are too horny to see it.

But you are right on the self-improvement part. Gotta do it for yourself though and sometimes the right person appears in due time.

 

[demicolon]

I'm afraid "mental health support" is not going to work the same way paying couples to have kids is not going to solve the demographic collapse. Let me tell you about an IRL incel I met: dude was a giant, full mane of hair, Hollywood handsome, literally gigachad but without the extreme musculature. I've counted about 5 (hot) girls who came out to him, slapped his ass, try to grab his crotch, even a teacher flirted with him in class once etc. but he'd just put a stupid smile and shrug and he was an antisocial autistic weirdo who'd stay inside all day playing vidya when not in school. Complained about being alone but being shy around girls and all that jazz. Coincidentally a single momma's boy and by the looks mommy gave him I'd not fault you for suspecting him being her perfect man if you know what I mean.

Question: how the fuck do you teach a guy like this how to score? If by mental health support you mean doping them up the gills with antipsychotics then forget it.

Revenge of the Beards

I'd watch that remake.

 

[74164978231]

Incels are a byproduct of our modern women centered social media driven dystopia. No amount of therapy is gonna change the fundamental dynamics that result in men being unwanted.

Dope whores are affordable and abundant, there is no excuse for being an incel.

Thats for coomers.

For incels its always been about basic validation/companionship.

 

[Lone Wandering Courier]

Incels are a byproduct of our modern women centered social media driven dystopia. No amount of therapy is gonna change the fundamental dynamics that result in men being unwanted.

The "incel problem" would literally go away if at minimum we had a functional society that didn't constantly kick men down for simply existing.

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

The "incel problem" would literally go away if at minimum we had a functional society that didn't constantly kick men down for simply existing.

It's important to note that a lot of the attitude from incels is pain and rage and coping. Women, especially ones having difficulty just getting the kind of man they want, will say equally horrible shit, even on (especially on?) KF, but only attitude from the men is a problem. It's a double standard that's culturally ingrained and even shitlords here don't want to question it. People are conditioned to have a negative emotional reaction to men saying this shit, but it doesn't get triggered when women do it, and they don't even realize it or think about why. Women are supposed to be equal to men on one hand and demand every bit the same amount of rights and respect, but then the same dudes that say that about women will go on and bash other dudes telling them they're supposed to be exceptionally gentlemanly to women. The second an incel has prospects or a girl bats an eye at him he will change his tune, that's how people work.

Then people give absolute horrible advice. "Just be nice to women!" "You're not getting a girl? That's because you're a piece of shit!" And all this is coming from nasty women who want to henpeck men because they have sadistic tendencies. It's even seen as misogynistic to tell men not to take dating advice from women. Women will by and large say what society expects them to say in public, and our social expectations today are the fucking problem, they're disconnected from biological and cultural reality.

I think the increasing number and rise of incels is really a metric for where our economy really is. Past all the bullshit politicians try to pull to cloud their failures, you cannot hide the fact that a ton of struggling men is, at its core, an economic issue.

You dudes struggling with women here even though you're told you're okay looking and stuff? Go overseas and watch how the dynamic changes. I'm serious, it will change your perspective for the positive the rest of your life. A dude that gets 2 matches on tinder in America will get 20+ elsewhere in the world that isn't completely westernized. You are in demand, homey, just not in America. You know women in Southeast Asia have a massive preference for white skin and their culture is far less toxic towards men? Flip the script, in another part of the world, if you work on yourself and be masculine, you're the one in demand. Assholes will hand wave it away because they can't believe it, but you will see it for yourselves.

 

[74164978231]

The "incel problem" would literally go away if at minimum we had a functional society that didn't constantly kick men down for simply existing.

Eh, while vilifying them certainly doesnt help thats not the root cause of incels.

Incels are a result of fundamental female biology of by and large not just refusing to date men who they deem below them, but essentially thinking they dont even exist. Now thanks to the economic horror show we live aka the globohomo world order, women are highly encouraged to go out and get worthless college degrees and "careers" that in their mind, puts them above a lot of men on the socioeconomic ladder. That combined with a focus and preference for women's wellbeing results in an ever growing amount of dudes(mainly less intelligent ones who cant see the game being played) ending up not just forever alone, but now demonized.

This is 100% a modern problem that has never occured before. Prior to the 1960s, men where almost always higher on the socioeconomic ladder than women so all but the worst of men had a good chance of finding a partner. Like most things in the globohomo dystopia, weve shit on and are going against hundreds of thousands of years of hard coded evolution.

It's a double standard that's culturally ingrained and even shitlords here don't want to question it. People are conditioned to have a negative emotional reaction to men saying this shit, but it doesn't get triggered when women do it, and they don't even realize it or think about why.

IMO its because men are supposed to be problem solvers, not sit around and bitch and cry.

Which is understandable when the problems you are facing are small or a result of your own actions. The thing is though, the problems facing men/society today are utterly beyond the control and scope of any man.

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

Eh, while vilifying them certainly doesnt help thats not the root cause of incels.

Incels are a result of fundamental female biology of by and large not just refusing to date men who they deem below them, but essentially thinking they dont even exist. Now thanks to the economic horror show we live in as a esult of the globohomo world order, women are highly encouraged to go out and get worthless college degrees and "careers" that in their mind, puts them above a lot of men on the socioeconomic ladder. That combined with a focus and preference for women's wellbeing results in an ever growing amount of dudes(mainly less intelligent ones who cant see the game being played) ending up not just forever alone, but now demonized.

Neither of you are wrong, it's a multi-facted problem and both of these things are intrinsically tied together.

 

[cybertoaster]

Since when do you shed tears for welfare queens? The solution is to stomp out welfare fraud and reform the benefit system - not to throw extra funds at dysgenic lowlifes who refuse to be helped in the first place.

I was saying they are tanking the economy, and if you think they'll magically go back to work when you cut the gibs you're huffing some strong paint. The ones that don't go apeshit 2020-style are going hobo-mode instead, 30% of zoomer men are completely demoralized and have no motivation. And then are plenty of millennials dropping out too, those two gens are basically the only ones fit to do manual work anymore, genX are in their 50s now and boomers are about to kick the bucket.

 

[Ingmar Aspergman]

All I would want is for women to be a little more proactive and clear with what they want. It’s one thing if someone struggles to find someone who might like them; it’s another when on top of that they are extremely flakey and non-committal because they can afford to be. Experiencing that is almost worse than receiving no attention at all, but that behavior is permitted and calling it out is entitlement I guess.

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

All I would want is for women to be a little more proactive and clear with what they want. It’s one thing if someone struggles to find someone who might like them; it’s another when on top of that they are extremely flakey and non-committal because they can afford to be. Experiencing that is almost worse than receiving no attention at all, but that behavior is permitted and calling it out is entitlement I guess.

That's why red pill exists.

 

[AnotherPleb]

And no half of all men ages 18-35 having little to no sexual experience isn't normal or healthy for society.

I'm convinced that part of the push for a war in the West is to get rid of this issue.

Therapy and other shit to help them get better is never gonna happen, the world order needs a boogeyman.

Governments know that a discontented group of men is dangerous to their continued existence yet refuse to confront why that is.

No fucking shit, turns out actually addressing issues usually resolves them! If only we'd do that with people's mental health in general instead of mutilation and drugs that end in suicide/mass murder.

The medical industry makes far more money selling something to ease the issue compared to curing it.

The next article will recommend affordable lifelike sex robots.

Hell will freeze over before women allow affordable lifelike sex dolls for men.

Why? I can tell you why. Because when you have a bunch of lonely, single men who can't get girlfriends or get married, society collapses. Sure, not all at once but eventually it does when there are enough of them. Right now, marriage as an institution is collapsing for the first time in thousands of years. If you sit these men down who want nothing other than love and loyalty and tell them they're wrong, don't be surprised when they want to systematically burn it all down and burn YOU down with it.

You really can tell who people are by how they treat those they view beneath them. Sure, there are winners and losers in society and life. But ideally that balance is 80-20. Right now, it's 60-40. You cannot sustain a society where women flock to only the top tier of men and turn themselves into concubines.


Yes. Majority of young women choose to date awful men. Who do they choose? Niggers. Gangsters. Hood rats. Chads. Tyrones. The guys who have choices and options that aren't them. Sometimes they don't even do it because they like them. Sometimes they just do it so some other bitch can't have them.

What happened when their father's picked their husbands? Doctors. Scientists. Merchants. Men with prospects. Men with good heads on their shoulders. Not criminals. Not dangerous men. Not men who are going bang them and leave. Women's choice in men has been disastrous for society and I'm tired of you faggots trying to blame it on the men.

All it is going to take is one person getting in a position of power telling disaffected men that they can have women by turning back women's rights for shit to go south fast. At its core society is a bargain between men so the average guy can have a shot at a relationship and it's been going to hell because that negotiation has been ignored. The reason the west was so successful was because of that negotiation, and part of why Islam isn't as stable is because the bargain is skewed too far in favor of men in power. That bargain is looking more favorable to the men of the west in comparison to the current set up where more and more men are getting nothing.

For a sexually deviant society most men are sexless, Hows that even normal.

Focusing solely on women has benefitted the government of the west for a long while but the bottom can't hold out forever.

The "incel problem" would literally go away if at minimum we had a functional society that didn't constantly kick men down for simply existing.

Doing that would mean that western society would have to stop worshipping women and that shit isn't going to happen without something forcing its hand.

 

[dustbuster]

I'm convinced that part of the push for a war in the West is to get rid of this issue.

It took a bit longer but there's a growing femcel issue as well.

I watch a lot of vtubers recently who admit they vtube because it's the only thing they can do due to crushing social phobia, which precludes them from meeting people in a way that could result in a relationship.
People will go on about chatters on these channels treating the streamer as a parasocial girlfriend, but the streamer is also treating the chat as a parasocial family. It's a dysfunctional 2-way street.

I question whether this is necessarily a bad thing.
The internet is exerting a new mental stress factor that selects out the mentally fragile much more efficiently than the transgender movement.

 

[AnotherPleb]

It took a bit longer but there's a growing femcel issue as well.

I watch a lot of vtubers recently who admit they vtube because it's the only thing they can do due to crushing social phobia, which precludes them from meeting people in a way that could result in a relationship.
People will go on about chatters on these channels treating the streamer as a parasocial girlfriend, but the streamer is also treating the chat as a parasocial family. It's a dysfunctional 2-way street.

I question whether this is necessarily a bad thing.
The internet is exerting a new mental stress factor that selects out the mentally fragile much more efficiently than the transgender movement.

The west won't do anything to fix things until women are more affected and even then they will only help women in a way that keeps them reliant on the government.