Press release: “Incels” need mental health support rather than a counter terrorism intervention, the world’s largest study of Incels finds (accessible

Link: https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...rlds-largest-study-of-incels-finds-accessible

A ground-breaking study has discovered the complex relationship between mental health, a shared worldview and the social networking of involuntary celibate (incel) communities.

The Commission for Countering Extremism (CCE) commissioned the Swansea University Research on the Incel Community (SURIC) to produce this report. This is the largest global study of incels to date.

Key findings:​

• The answer to the incel phenomenon is more closely aligned to mental health support than counter terrorism interventions.
• Mental Health: Incels typically display extremely poor mental health, with high incidences of depression and suicidal thoughts (one in three incels contemplated suicide every day for the past two weeks). They are also more likely to be neurodivergent, with a higher likelihood of diagnosis for autism spectrum disorder.
• Attitudes and Beliefs: Participants perceived high levels of victimhood, anger, and misogyny. They acknowledged a shared worldview among incels which includes identifying feminists as a primary enemy. They also identified the political (far) left, wider society and women as enemies.
• Approval of violence: There exists a small cohort (5%) who ‘endorse the use of violence to defend their community. When asked if they justify violence against people that incels perceive as causing harm to them, 5% of respondents said ‘Often’. Around 20% said “Sometimes”.
• Political beliefs: Many commentators have suggested a link between incels and the far right. However, this survey found that incels were politically centre-left on average. The exception was the 5% who agreed that violence against individuals that that cause incels harm is often justified; these individuals were politically centre-right.
• Predicting harm: Mental Health and adoption of incel Ideology were significantly more likely to predict the development of harmful views than Social Networking (time spent on social network sites, amount of interaction with others, content generation, and exposure to radical people and content).

Commissioner for Countering Extremism, Robin Simcox said:

What incels truly think and believe has been the source of consistent speculation and conjecture. However, all of us – including those who work in counter extremism – should be led by the evidence.
This study is the most exhaustive research into incels yet and provides a major challenge to conventional wisdoms on the topic. It is no surprise to see the authors uncovered alarming and unacceptable attitudes of misogyny and hatred towards women from incels.
However, the report’s findings suggest that adopting a security or counter-terrorism lens towards incels is not often going to be the most appropriate response. Neither is scaremongering about them forming part of a global Extreme Right Wing threat.
Where there is a risk of violence, the appropriate authorities must always be informed. However, finding ways to ensure this desperate, depressed cohort of men, often with poor mental health, are integrated into society and given appropriate support should also be a key part of any response.

Notes to editors​

• Predicting Harm Among Incels (Involuntary Celibates): The Roles of Mental Health, Ideological Belief and Social Networking will be published on the CCE website at 9am on Thursday 15 February.
• This research was published as part of the CCE’s ‘Rethinking Extremism’ series, to present innovative and thought-provoking research to government, counter-extremism professionals, and the wider public. It forms part of a wider CCE approach to providing advice and scrutiny to government on the approaches needed to counter extremism.
• The research was undertaken by Dr Joe Whittaker, Dr Andrew G. Thomas and William Costello from the Swansea University Research on the Incel Community (SURIC).
• For further information, please contact info@counteringextremism.gov.uk

 

[Celestial Peace]

If almost everyone else around him was an asshole, I can see that actually being more productive. Not saying that was the case. Just thinking of a situation where this wouldn't be a bad idea.

The thing is: This was said in a more broad sense. As if encouraging him to just self-isolate even more.
How will someone with social skills issues improve if one keeps detaching further from human contact beyond basic communication?

 

[Wendell X]

The "right person will come" meme is outdated and quite frankly fairy-tale like. There is more to meeting someone than just minding your business and then suddenly the stars align and you meet a girl on a bus stop or at the mall or whatever.

Maybe if you are ugly. In which case you should really try not being ugly first.

 

[Celestial Peace]

Maybe if you are ugly. In which case you should really try not being ugly first.

In that case solution is either suicide and then try to be reborn as someone with better genetics or plastic surgery.

Which one is more affordable?

 

[Lazy Printer]

We live in a inhuman world, incels and other weirdos are just a result of this. And i don't think that its just a matter of mental health or going back to "tradtions", people are getting less and less human more egoistical and so on.

 

[Wendell X]

In that case solution is either suicide and then try to be reborn as someone with better genetics or plastic surgery.

Which one is more affordable?

More affordable? Is someone charging you to kill yourself? They are scamming you man, go through me and you can commit suicide for half their rate (pm me for financial details).

 

[Celestial Peace]

More affordable? Is someone charging you to kill yourself?

Yes, the hardware store whenever I go buy a piece of rope.

 

[Wendell X]

Yes, the hardware store whenever I go buy a piece of rope.

Dude if you are going to kill yourself at least do the right thing and take out a politician or two in the process. Don't just leave a bloated corpse to scar your sister or landlady or mother (I assume all of the people in your life are women if suicide seems like a sensible option and you aren't a samurai) , go out in a blaze of glory!

But also, have you ever tried smiling?

 

[Celestial Peace]

Don't just leave a bloated corpse to scar your sister or landlady or mother (I assume all of the people in your life are women if suicide seems like a sensible option and you aren't a samurai)

The only person in my life is me, myself and I.

But also, have you ever tried smiling?

That's gay.

 

[Not A Bunny]

The thing is: This was said in a more broad sense. As if encouraging him to just self-isolate even more.
How will someone with social skills issues improve if one keeps detaching further from human contact beyond basic communication?

I've said this before and it's not surprising how it escapes people.

I hate it when people casually use the term "incel" without thinking about the implications of using the term.

If someone is a legit incel (not someone who doesn't like female-focused media), it's because they are continually being told by the world that they are irredeemable, unattractive, and completely unloveable.

Whether they deserve it is a different question.

If you've gotten to a point in your life where you look in the mirror and say "no one would ever want me", it's because the world has demonstrated over a prolonged period of time that it absolutely hates you. And using the word "incel" at them is just you rubbing it in. You're basically proving them right.

So, people who use the word "incel" are basically perpetuating the cycle of being an incel by pointing it out and calling it "not my problem", and in more cases than not, people just use the word to make themselves feel superior.

I have little patience for people who use the word "incel" casually. It's just another buzzword used to dehumanize acceptable targets.

 

[Higgs Bonbon]

I think it's very funny that the publishers of this article took this inquiry seriously, rather than realizing incels are a very convenient boogyman that their benefactors wanted more propaganda against.

 

[isalaide]

In order to make money, some techfolks introduced the concepts of gamification and the free market to human intimate relationships.

This is the result of that.

Every market in anything is inherently competitive, and there are always products that fail at market. The trouble is, the products that have failed are a large chunk of actual people with actual people feelings, and they weren't really expecting that to happen. They are understandably very unhappy.

Adam Smith insisted that the free market couldn't be applied to essentials of society, like utilities. The idea that it would be applied to finding a spouse would blow his fucking mind. It is so clearly a disastrous idea from the outset.

This could never, ever have worked. The only help for the problem is for those looking for intimacy to no longer do so via apps or matching websites, etc. I suppose a more interventionist state might consider a much most hostile regulatory environment for them which might do the same.

"but where can we meet people" School and university. That's your best time to meet a partner. Sorry, but it is true. You are all young and very, very few of you are married. Pair off. This is the western tradition for centuries.

After that, possibly work, if you meet people through work who you then socialise with, or socialise with their friends. Hobbies. Church, if you are American.

But it's all uphill if you miss the window of school and university. It's a numbers game; many people have already paired off by 23, 24 so that reduces the single ones available.

If you're past that point, you are starting to look at 'pairing the spares' where the singles who are left have to take what they can get. This has always been the case. Sometimes something is better than nothing.

 

[northstar747]

Sometimes something is better than nothing.

I know many people where this isnt true.

Also fuck school

I ve never met a partner via internet

two through high school
one was an interduction through a friend
one was at a night club in japan

I would totally say the apps warp shit but those fucking incel need to go touch grass

 

[TroonsDid911]

"Incels typically display extremely poor mental health, with high incidences of depression and suicidal thoughts...They are also more likely to be neurodivergent, with a higher likelihood of diagnosis for autism spectrum disorder."

The incel to troon pipeline is real.

 

[Celestial Peace]

I've said this before and it's not surprising how it escapes people.

I hate it when people casually use the term "incel" without thinking about the implications of using the term.

Thanks to incels themselves acting erratic OL the term itself is used quite deliberately which includes any man who refuses to bend over to globohomo femdom bullshit that are clearly meant to emasculate.

I'm not sure who first coined the term "incel".

Whether it was academia, the media or internet forums themselves the fact is the term always had a derogatory connotation.

What changed was at first it had a humorous connotation and now it holds a much serious and threatening one thanks to Mr. Supreme Gentleman copycats.

But the term "incel" always had a very loose meaning ranging from your average virgin-with-rage autist to curmudgeon married or divorced men or potential maniac going postal.

Chris-chan could be an "incel". Same goes for Lowtax, YandereDev, Boogie or anyone whose lolcow drama involved a Love Quest, fetishes or relationship issues.

If someone is a legit incel (not someone who doesn't like female-focused media), it's because they are continually being told by the world that they are irredeemable, unattractive, and completely unloveable.

Whether they deserve it is a different question.

If you've gotten to a point in your life where you look in the mirror and say "no one would ever want me", it's because the world has demonstrated over a prolonged period of time that it absolutely hates you. And using the word "incel" at them is just you rubbing it in. You're basically proving them right.

I've been at that place of feeling rejected by the whole fucking world and trying to seek out for advice or understanding only to find people being complete dicks or just giving asinine tips.

Still the same but now I kinda don't give a shit. Others has lots of issues which I also don't understand and never dealt with before and if they were to seek some advice with me it would be hard not to say the equivalent of "Have you tried working the shaft?" for everyday life advices.

Same goes for incels: Their only options would be serious professional help or wasting away in loneliness.

So, people who use the word "incel" are basically perpetuating the cycle of being an incel by pointing it out and calling it "not my problem"

Because it isn't.

Let's be honest here: If people still can't deal with depressive people in present day what makes you think they'll spare any sympathy for social awkward dudes and dudettes who can't find a partner?

There's lots of shit people take for granted and relationships are one of them. Couldn't make it? Alas, you suck.

The sooner you acknowledge it the easier it gets.

But it's all uphill if you miss the window of school and university. It's a numbers game; many people have already paired off by 23, 24 so that reduces the single ones available.

If you're past that point, you are starting to look at 'pairing the spares' where the singles who are left have to take what they can get. This has always been the case. Sometimes something is better than nothing.

There's one flaw in that thinking: What kind of women would want to involve herself with someone past the age of 25 who has zero relationship experience?

They can say whatever they want but deep down they'll surely reject any man who failed to find a girlfriend before that age because to them it is a crimson red flag he has some serious social skill issues which I doubt they would be willing to deal with.

Perhaps there are women who think age is but a number but what are the odds?

 

[isalaide]

There's one flaw in that thinking: What kind of women would want to involve herself with someone past the age of 25 who has zero relationship experience?

They can say whatever they want but deep down they'll frown any man who failed to find a girlfriend before that age because to them it is a crimson red flag he has some serious social skill issues which I doubt they would be willing to deal with.

Perhaps there are women who think age is but a number but what are the odds?

A woman over the age of 25 who has also never found anyone willing to go out with her. Or one who can't find anyone who will go out with her now.

The thing about the marketisation of human relationships is that dating after a certain point in time is like going into the Tesco ten minutes before it closes to get something for your dinner. You've got the stuff marked down because nobody wanted it. There's not a huge selection, it's all a bit random, and some of it is stuff you can't believe anyone would want.

But it's what there is. So you need to choose from what's there.

After 35 you're shopping the second hand market. Everyone there has had a previous marriage or very serious relationship fail. You have to price in that experience. Experience isn't necessarily a bad thing.

 

[Celestial Peace]

You have to price in that experience. Experience isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Didn't said it was. The point was: No XP = No GF.

And honestly how does a woman fuck up to the point of being over 25 and having zero experience barring being a femcel?

They barely have to engage in flirting and most of the time just passively go with the tides in case she's onto someone. Women often let the man take the lead in meeting and dating despite all this supposedly egalitarian horseshit.

But it's what there is. So you need to choose from what's there.

Given who we're talking about choosing is something that they wouldn't be eligible to. More like hoping to be chosen.

After 35

Reaching such age while having no relationship experience would warrant either alcoholism, mental issues or a shotgun mouthwash.

 

[isalaide]

And honestly how does a woman fuck up to the point of being over 25 and having zero experience barring being a femcel?

People ask the same about men. I don't know the answer either way.

I don't know the answer to "how find date in 2024", I haven't dated in this millenium. I do know that expecting people who didn't find a partner organically in young adulthood to engage in a Squid Game-style attritional game to find some partner, any partner, isn't going to make anyone involved in that anything other than miserable.

I do know that the way people generally found someone okay enough to marry even... twenty years ago now seems to no longer be working for a large number of people, and they are unhappy about it.

 

[Celestial Peace]

I do know that expecting people who didn't find a partner organically in young adulthood to engage in a Squid Game-style attritional game to find some partner, any partner, isn't going to make anyone involved in that anything other than miserable.

That I agree but it's just like I said: They are not eligible to choose. They can only hope to be chosen by someone.

Unless they find a work-around in their social skills which I have no idea how would that function.

 

[sallowhal]

boo hoo nigga who cares about incels

they aren't as big of an issue as liberals want to make them out to be, same as the neo nazis they also like to cry about. a vast majority of them don't bother anyone.

i'd be willing to bet my next paycheck a woman is more likely to experience violence at the hands of a guy who does have sex than an incel.

just leave the little weirdos alone.

 

[Bungdit Din]

Well yes if you don't make the effort to meet people in general then you will stay alone*. What a shocker, I know. But healthy people, healthy or not-so-much, seek social connection either way.

*if you're male. As a female, just existing guarantees you offers of companionship.

Fixed the second part. It's not like incels don't seek social connection; it's the constant social rejection that rather defines their predicament.