Press release: “Incels” need mental health support rather than a counter terrorism intervention, the world’s largest study of Incels finds (accessible

Link: https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...rlds-largest-study-of-incels-finds-accessible

A ground-breaking study has discovered the complex relationship between mental health, a shared worldview and the social networking of involuntary celibate (incel) communities.

The Commission for Countering Extremism (CCE) commissioned the Swansea University Research on the Incel Community (SURIC) to produce this report. This is the largest global study of incels to date.

Key findings:​

• The answer to the incel phenomenon is more closely aligned to mental health support than counter terrorism interventions.
• Mental Health: Incels typically display extremely poor mental health, with high incidences of depression and suicidal thoughts (one in three incels contemplated suicide every day for the past two weeks). They are also more likely to be neurodivergent, with a higher likelihood of diagnosis for autism spectrum disorder.
• Attitudes and Beliefs: Participants perceived high levels of victimhood, anger, and misogyny. They acknowledged a shared worldview among incels which includes identifying feminists as a primary enemy. They also identified the political (far) left, wider society and women as enemies.
• Approval of violence: There exists a small cohort (5%) who ‘endorse the use of violence to defend their community. When asked if they justify violence against people that incels perceive as causing harm to them, 5% of respondents said ‘Often’. Around 20% said “Sometimes”.
• Political beliefs: Many commentators have suggested a link between incels and the far right. However, this survey found that incels were politically centre-left on average. The exception was the 5% who agreed that violence against individuals that that cause incels harm is often justified; these individuals were politically centre-right.
• Predicting harm: Mental Health and adoption of incel Ideology were significantly more likely to predict the development of harmful views than Social Networking (time spent on social network sites, amount of interaction with others, content generation, and exposure to radical people and content).

Commissioner for Countering Extremism, Robin Simcox said:

What incels truly think and believe has been the source of consistent speculation and conjecture. However, all of us – including those who work in counter extremism – should be led by the evidence.
This study is the most exhaustive research into incels yet and provides a major challenge to conventional wisdoms on the topic. It is no surprise to see the authors uncovered alarming and unacceptable attitudes of misogyny and hatred towards women from incels.
However, the report’s findings suggest that adopting a security or counter-terrorism lens towards incels is not often going to be the most appropriate response. Neither is scaremongering about them forming part of a global Extreme Right Wing threat.
Where there is a risk of violence, the appropriate authorities must always be informed. However, finding ways to ensure this desperate, depressed cohort of men, often with poor mental health, are integrated into society and given appropriate support should also be a key part of any response.

Notes to editors​

• Predicting Harm Among Incels (Involuntary Celibates): The Roles of Mental Health, Ideological Belief and Social Networking will be published on the CCE website at 9am on Thursday 15 February.
• This research was published as part of the CCE’s ‘Rethinking Extremism’ series, to present innovative and thought-provoking research to government, counter-extremism professionals, and the wider public. It forms part of a wider CCE approach to providing advice and scrutiny to government on the approaches needed to counter extremism.
• The research was undertaken by Dr Joe Whittaker, Dr Andrew G. Thomas and William Costello from the Swansea University Research on the Incel Community (SURIC).
• For further information, please contact info@counteringextremism.gov.uk

 

[High Level Rad Waste]

This should be pretty self obvious. Studies have shown right-wingers tend to care about their physical appearance more than leftists, and are therefor better looking and/or are committed to traditional views of man as provider/protector of his wife which appeals to women regardless of political leaning.

I've seen a mixed bag. Both side have dudes that look like the fucking Cryptkeeper. The rest and majority tend to be average looking dudes with delusional grandiosity expecting to be given more than they're willing to earn because social media makes it look easier than they have it. It really blisters their asses when they see someone uglier than them with someone they wish they could pull because they know it's really due to their shitty personalities.
I will give it to you though, the ugly lefties tend to make themselves ugly by bad choices: bad tattoos, shitty piercings, godawful hairstyles.
Ugly righties tend to just be born ugly which is unfortunate.

What happened when their father's picked their husbands? Doctors. Scientists. Merchants. Men with prospects. Men with good heads on their shoulders. Not criminals. Not dangerous men. Not men who are going bang them and leave. Women's choice in men has been disastrous for society and I'm tired of you faggots trying to blame it on the men.

Just raise your daughter to have standards. It's really not that hard.
You just have to be unapologetically honest. Tell them about black dudes: broken houses, snowbunny pump and dump culture, STD rates, crime, and similar. If you weren't an overbearing faggot or altogether absent because you had a kid before you had the money to have kids, she'll probably listen to you instead of rebelling against you. Shitty women and shitty men raise shitty children. Don't be a shitty man and don't put your dick in shitty women. Vice versa.

You're helping me develop more empathy for the autistic as we speak, cheers!

Edit: This is gonna sound dumb but why can I not quote @Harbinger of Kali Yuga

Null made it to where long posts can't be replied to anymore, highlight a section from it and you should get a popup that says "quote" for that section.

 

[Geddy Lee's Fee and See]

If anything the 50's were an outlier. Historically 80% of women reproduce, compared to only 40% of men. I think it is inevitable that there will always be incels in society. It sucks to be on the losing side of sexual selection but that's just how it goes.

The 50s were an economic outlier for economic advancement and most people being middle class. In terms of reproduction, it was pretty typical, just like the 1850s, 1750s, etc. or any tine in the last 10,000 years for the most part, where the average male had a reasonably high percentage of passing on his genes (otherwise society wouldn't even get to the point where wars could be waged in the first place, even during the late hunter-gatherer phase of human existence). This is the first time since the times of early modern humans that the balanace of sexual reproductuon has been so drastically tilted in the favor of women (it always has been and will be, but not to the point that civilization is about to give in at it's seems, which is what is happening).

 

[Bungdit Din]

Just raise your daughter to have standards. It's really not that hard.
You just have to be unapologetically honest. Tell them about black dudes: broken houses, snowbunny pump and dump culture, STD rates, crime, and similar. If you weren't an overbearing faggot or altogether absent because you had a kid before you had the money to have kids, she'll probably listen to you instead of rebelling against you. Shitty women and shitty men raise shitty children. Don't be a shitty man and don't put your dick in shitty women. Vice versa.

In other words,

1. Be based.
2. Don't be not-based.

Now all we have to do is dismantle almost the entirety of contemporary culture and overthrow the existing social order, and replace it with Chadocracy.

Based.

 

[AMERICA]

This is the first time since the times of early modern humans that the balanace of sexual reproductuon has been so drastically tilted in the favor of women (it always has been and wilp be, but not to the point that civilization is about to give in at it's seems, which is what is happening).

I appreciate your thoughtful reply, this makes a lot of sense. Thanks.

 

[Geddy Lee's Fee and See]

I appreciate your thoughtful reply, this makes a lot of sense. Thanks.

Anytime. It's a genuine fucking problem people are refusing to address and won't until it is too late. This is not normal and this is a very very recent problem (as in this did not become widespread until the last decade) that only exists because of our overreliance on technology for socialization and interaction with the other sex along with a bad theory of mind when it comes to sex and sexual relations. Someone earlier in the thread said America is a cultural ghetto and I can't help but agree. The things that made America great have long since eroded and have been replaced with schmalzy replacements that are causing more problems than actually solving these damn issues.

 

[Kulee Baba]

People need communities to be part of. Secularism and city life packed everyone up together and yet people feel more isolated than ever.

Go to church, attend events, mingle. That's how you traditionally found someone.

 

[Geddy Lee's Fee and See]

Go to church, attend events, mingle. That's how you traditionally found someone.

Churches are just as bad as everywhere else now and some even have genuine cliques in them. The only real purpose of church nowadays is to worship God now, not act as a community hib (unless you are in a rural enough area).

 

[Spiny Rumples]

Its a cold dark world and it has no pity and the only solace the downtrodden people who exist on it have that is definitive in absolute is that one day they will die.

Well I mean yeah, it's winter. Once it starts getting more sunny and warm out in a few months, it'll only be dark at night, and won't be very cold anymore. Just hot and sweaty.

 

[Party Hat Wurmple]

Just raise your daughter to have standards. It's really not that hard.
You just have to be unapologetically honest. Tell them about black dudes: broken houses, snowbunny pump and dump culture, STD rates, crime, and similar.

It's not that simple when you have an entire societal apparatus telling them to do the opposite. You act like Boomers haven't done this for years and failed. You can't just raise your kids to hate niggers when all of their friends and peers will bully them and use the full weight of their community to force them to kiss Nigger Feet. All it took for these girls was the right Tyrone to put up a decent enough nice guy act to completely undo years of conditioning. Once it happens, you can't stop it either. Young women in an abusive relationship with Tyrone will happily burn their own families to the ground just so they can fuck some nigger. You just have to hope it's not your daughter. Young women just make awful decisions about dating. And unlike young men, when they fuck up their lives, they don't bounce back as easily.

Honestly I'm at the point where I think arranged marriage needs to be brought back and young women need to stop being given a choice.

 

[Blacklight]

Yeah the idea of 'mental help' is trying to shove the incel into a dress and lopping his cock off or making him take so many xannies he's a mental zombie.

 

[Pokemon Conquistador]

We're fucked. I can't see an easy way to fix a society that runs on fee fees and outrage. People who have the upper hand thoroughly believe that they're in imminent danger, and that anything they do is justified. Relationships no longer have societal backing- Institutions that the entire future of mankind depends upon in order to function are left to run solely on the whims of stupid, butt-ignorant people who think ghost-hunting shows are real. Everyone thinks they should be able to do whatever they want without consequences. We're fucked until Nature sorts us out, and nature is a mean bitch that gives us cancer, nose hair, and tooth decay.

 

[Celestial Peace]

Better mental treatment is a meme.

It's quite interesting to see that seeking a shrink in the First World is seen as ineffective and purely palliative. I've seen articles that argue conventional threapy isn't cut for everyone.

In the shithole country I live in going after a shrink apparently has becoming more of a tendency yet useless because I suppose people would rather dive head-first into booze or dope because you can at least get hammered/high unlike happy pills. Given that treatment for alcoholism and substance abuse is as fucking ineffective as sheltering women from domestic abuse here one couldn't even fathom how fruitless standard psychothreapy is dealing with more delicate and nuanced issues such as relationships or lack of thereof.

It isn't.

Taking into account most people it never was.

Anyone who has interacted with incels, or just guys who have issues with women in general, knows for every dude who just needs some confidence, there's 10 more who are bitter gremlins who feel like the world owes them everything. I see no reason why society should bend over backwards to deal with these guys beyond making sure they aren't going to kill someone.

Sensationalizing or making a scapegoat outta nerds who spent the day raging online and cooming is as retarded as Evangelicals who blame popular media for society's problems and associate them with Satanism.

Being MATI over incels as if they're really being that much of a threat when you have way bigger threats in society is worthy of a lolcow take.

No. I'm a man and I found the advice to interact with men to always be fucking retarded. Men don't act the same way women do and the social skills don't carry over 100%. And if you are nervous around chicks, interacting with men will not make you less nervous. It's exposure therapy, if you are scared of spiders I'm not gonna expose you to snakes.

Having social interactions with people you share hobbies or interests with is exactly what makes a difference on social skills, Jenyus.
In fact finding a girl with hobbies and interests in common is exactly the ideal prologue for attraction which is something dudebros like yourself likely fail to understand because jocks like you are invested in some fucking vapid dick measuring contest over who has the highest body count or who's more popular with the ladies which is exactly what incels abhor.

There are many, many men who value women only for their appearance (which is what a lot of Incels are mad at women for, presumably) and would gladly date a dumb, bitchy bimbo who treats them like shit

As if dating was a possibility for incels. Wasting mental efforts imagining these kind of situations is why discussions like these gets deviated often.

Gotta do it for yourself though and sometimes the right person appears in due time.

The "right person will come" meme is outdated and quite frankly fairy-tale like. There is more to meeting someone than just minding your business and then suddenly the stars align and you meet a girl on a bus stop or at the mall or whatever.

It took a bit longer but there's a growing femcel issue as well.

I watch a lot of vtubers recently who admit they vtube because it's the only thing they can do due to crushing social phobia, which precludes them from meeting people in a way that could result in a relationship.
People will go on about chatters on these channels treating the streamer as a parasocial girlfriend, but the streamer is also treating the chat as a parasocial family. It's a dysfunctional 2-way street.

I question whether this is necessarily a bad thing.
The internet is exerting a new mental stress factor that selects out the mentally fragile much more efficiently than the transgender movement.

That's what has been coming to all these modern relationship patterns and sex obsession along with previous generations promoting an hedonistic lifestyle for the past 40 years all the while complaining about objectification of women or people forgetting how to relate to each other and some other hollow laments from people who gave their contribution to the very thing that made society the way it is now.

In 10 years or so you'll see Gen Z being responsible for myopic tendencies and perpetual instant satisfaction seeking becoming ten times the norm it already is.

 

[dustbuster]

In 10 years or so you'll see Gen Z being responsible for myopic tendencies and perpetual instant satisfaction seeking becoming ten times the norm it already is.

Gen Z's kids (the generation AFTER gen Alpha, not yet there or named) will be the ones that grow up robust to this shit.

 

[Celestial Peace]

Gen Z's kids (the generation AFTER gen Alpha, not yet there or named) will be the ones that grow up robust to this shit.

Might as well be the ones who'll start rebelling to it.

 

[KittyGremlin]

The "right person will come" meme is outdated and quite frankly fairy-tale like. There is more to meeting someone than just minding your business and then suddenly the stars align and you meet a girl on a bus stop or at the mall or whatever.

Well yes if you don't make the effort to meet people in general then you will stay alone. What a shocker, I know. But healthy people seek social connection either way.

 

[Cyclonus]

I don't know if you can hear me

Or if you're even there

I don't know if you would listen to a incel's prayer

I know I'm just an incel

I shouldn't speak to you

Still I see your face and wonder

Were you once an incel too?

God help the incels

Lonely from birth

Show them the love that they don't find on Earth

God help my people

We look to you still

God help the incels or nobody will

They say we're scum

They say we're trash

They say we kill and we rape and we maim

I just want love

Then I'd be blessed

I just want Stacy or Becky to hold me

I have the rope so I can go die

But I know so many less lucky than I

Please help my people

The loveless downtrod

I thought we all were the children of God?

God help the incels

Children of God.

 

[Celestial Peace]

But healthy people seek social connection either way.

You reminded me of a shrink a friend of mine who has social skills issues and never dated in his whole life was seeing that told him he should focus more on solitude and feeling better with oneself rather than seek out courtships and gave him the ol' "better alone than in bad company" dilemma.

Not an expert on psychology but that seems rather counter-productive.

 

[Star Platinum]

Go on instagram and find some fat whale's pictures, you'll have mountains of simps and especially other woman going "YOU ARE GORGEOUS GIRL" even though it's more like "YOU ARE GORLOCK, GIRL."

this line got me cracked up

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

You reminded me of a shrink a friend of mine who has social skills issues and never dated in his whole life was seeing that told him he should focus more on solitude and feeling better with oneself rather than seek out courtships and gave him the ol' "better alone than in bad company" dilemma.

Not an expert on psychology but that seems rather counter-productive.

If almost everyone else around him was an asshole, I can see that actually being more productive. Not saying that was the case. Just thinking of a situation where this wouldn't be a bad idea.

 

[Ishtar]

Most incels are brown-ish. And are not particularly RW in their views.

The basic problem is the essence of the black pill is true. Sexual attraction is primarily driven by genetic characteristics that are fixed(or require thousands of dollars of often dubious treatments to obscure or fix).

All anti incel stuff in the media evades, diminishes or undermines this fundamental fact. (For various reasons of course).

Incels tend to accept they have simply failed the genetic lottery. Which no doubt is a source of great anguish and depression.

You could drug them up, perhaps even re educate them in gulag camps, but their main grievance-inability to access women will always be true.