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The Duke and Duchess of Sussex have announced they will step back as "senior" royals and work to become financially independent.

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In a statement, Prince Harry and Meghan also said they plan to split their time between the UK and North America.

The BBC understands no other royal - including the Queen or Prince William - was consulted before the statement and Buckingham Palace is "disappointed".

Senior royals are understood to be "hurt" by the announcement.

In their unexpected statement on Wednesday, also posted on their Instagram page, the couple said they made the decision "after many months of reflection and internal discussions".

"We intend to step back as 'senior' members of the Royal Family and work to become financially independent, while continuing to fully support Her Majesty The Queen."

They said they plan to balance their time between the UK and North America while "continuing to honour our duty to the Queen, the Commonwealth, and our patronages".

"This geographic balance will enable us to raise our son with an appreciation for the royal tradition into which he was born, while also providing our family with the space to focus on the next chapter, including the launch of our new charitable entity."

A Buckingham Palace spokeswoman said discussions with the duke and duchess on their decision to step back were "at an early stage", adding: "We understand their desire to take a different approach, but these are complicated issues that will take time to work through."

The couple's announcement on Wednesday comes two months after the Duke of York withdrew from public life after a BBC interview about his ties to sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, who killed himself in August.

 
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That is so fucking weird. A normal person would've just named her Elizabeth in honor of the great-grandmother and called her Ellie or Lilly at home. Markel is such a ghoul, there's nothing behind those eyes, just a pit that hungers for attention.
To make it extra ghoulish, Elizabeth specifically asked that nobody use Lilibet after Philip died. Everyone who had called her that- her mom, her dad, Margaret, and her beloved Philip- had died and the use of the nickname after everyone was gone was too painful for her. It feels like they drove a knife into a grieving old woman's heart and all for like two weeks of attention-whoring.
 
I never understand this attitude with celebrities that actively court the press.

I'm not saying they don't deserve privacy, but they created the monster that consumes all the information about their lives, and then get indignant about people's lack of boundaries towards them?
They aren't celebrities, they're the British Royalty and they play a diplomatic role. They receive and hold banquets for foreign dignitaries, participate in events abroad, etc. The palace and the press have had a relationship for a long time and the royals are expected to share their personal lives to a certain extent because they are representatives of the nation. It would be like if the U.S. President kept his life entirely private and didn't share photos of his family or anything. "Courting the press" is expected of the role and would be considered inappropriate if they didn't.

But just as Diana being literally swarmed by paps was unreasonable it's unreasonable that Kate shouldn't be given some dignity regarding her health issues. She's accepted being in the public eye without complaint up to this point, they can afford to fuck off while she deals with what's probably a very distressful situation for her.
However I also agree the palace should do more to communicate about her situation, and these gaffes just feed the rumors and conspiracy theories.

ETA: Also the press have been reasonable in other matters, like not stalking the royal children when they're dropped off at school each day. They agreed to this arrangement in exchange for an official photo being released to the public at the start of the school year IIRC. I can understand not giving a fuck about celebrities' privacy but again these aren't mere celebrities, they're the royal family who are expected to serve the nation, and it's reasonable to give them some respect in return for doing their jobs.

I think some of the media have never seen a child before.
A lot of the media these days are r/childfree dangerhaired theybies, so it should be no surprise.

His name is just Archie, right?
Also prince George’s private nickname was Archie. Meghan and Harry picked it to piss off Catherine. They’re deranged.

Elizabeth specifically asked that nobody use Lilibet after Philip died. Everyone who had called her that- her mom, her dad, Margaret, and her beloved Philip- had died and the use of the nickname after everyone was gone was too painful for her. It feels like they drove a knife into a grieving old woman's heart and all for like two weeks of attention-whoring.
Yes their honest to god names are "Archie" and "Lilibet", those aren't nicknames.

Meghan's endgame was to become another Diana
It's no exaggeration.
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Some of the comparisons are questionable (lots of women wear red dresses, all the royal women dress the same on Remembrance Sunday, etc.), but some of these are so uncannily similar it doesn't seem to be a coincidence.
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Tom Bower's book IIRC stated she was obsessed with Diana as a child and reportedly wore Diana's signature perfume the day she met Harry.

Oh and I almost forgot the time Meghan asked Diana's ghost for her blessing to be Diana 2.0:
Daily Mail: Meghan kneels at Diana's grave and asks for guidance. This is like that story about that airline pilot bowing and thanking her for her service. 🙄

Meghan Markle kneeled and put her palms on Princess Diana's gravestone to ask her late mother-in-law for 'clarity and guidance' on 20th anniversary of her death, Prince Harry reveals​

  • Prince Harry's memoir details visit to Princess Diana's grave at Althorp
  • Took Meghan in August 2017 on 20th anniversary of his mother's death
  • Said they both had a moment alone at the grave, and found Meghan kneeling
  • On boat back from island she told him she'd asked Diana for guidance
  • READ MORE: Prince Harry elaborates on fight with William in new ITV trailer

Prince Harry has revealed how his then-girlfriend Meghan Markle kneeled next to Princess Diana's grave to ask for guidance.

Writing in his bombshell memoir Spare, which went on sale early in Spain yesterday, he recalled the first time she visited Diana's final resting place on the Althorp estate.

Harry described how they rowed out to the island where his mother is buried, on the 20th anniversary of her death.

After taking a moment to reflect by himself he sensed that Meghan also wanted to take a private moment.

'When I returned, she was on her knees with her eyes closed and her palms flat against the stone,' he said, adding that she'd told him she'd asked Diana for 'clarity and guidance'.

The visit would have taken place in August 2017, when the couple had been together for roughly a year.

The late Princess was laid to rest at her childhood home of Althorp House, Northamptonshire, in 1997, and the grave was re-dedicated by the Archbishop of Canterbury in 2017 ahead of the 20th anniversary of her death.

Earl Spencer inherited the family seat of Althorp estate after the death of his father in 1992 and lives there with his third wife, Karen, and their daughter Lady Charlotte.

In 2017, the year which marked 20 years since Diana's death, several events took place to commemorate the date.

Elton John, who famously sang Candle In The Wind at Diana's funeral, led the homages online on the 20th anniversary of her death.

He shared a picture on Instagram of the pair together, with his arm around the Princess writing: '20 years ago today, the world lost an angel. RIP.'

Prince Harry later revealed that the song touched him on the day, telling a BBC documentary: 'Elton John's song was incredibly emotional, that was part of this whole trigger system which nearly brought me to the point of crying in public, which I'm glad I didn't do.'

On the 10th anniversary of Diana's death in 2007, Sir Elton opened and closed a Wembley Stadium concert organised by Prince William and his brother in memory of their mother.

Meanwhile Elizabeth Emanuel, co-designer of Diana's famous wedding dress, tweeted: 'Thinking of the wonderful times we spent with Diana and the great joy she brought into our lives and all those who knew her.' She posted a photo of the Emanuels tending to the train of Diana's bridal gown inside St Paul's Cathedral in 1981.

The princess's friend Rosa Monckton has also spoken out today, describing Diana as a 'truly extraordinary woman' in a new interview.

She was everything to everybody,' Ms Monkton said. 'She broke down the walls. She busted the myth of being a fairytale princess.'

She told The Times: 'I think that given the life she had, when you think what she had to overcome, and all of this in the public eye, I think she was a truly extraordinary woman. Very damaged, very flawed, as we all are, but underneath it all this incredible resilience.'

Diana's sons, the Duke of Cambridge and Prince Harry, had already paid tribute to their mother, visiting the floral tributes and pictures left at the gates of her former home, Kensington Palace.

Thousands of mourners gathered in front of the gates in West London to pay their respects to the late royal.

Many left flowers and mementos as they remembered the life of Prince Harry and Prince William.

The day before, William and Harry met representatives of charities their mother supported and Harry told them her death was a tragedy for them - as they were preparing to work with the princess - as well as his family.

He said: 'I can imagine for a lot of you it was like, 'right here we go, now we've got her, we've got the thirst, we've got the attention, now let's do something', then suddenly she's snapped away. If I can put it (this way), all of us lost somebody.'

Ahead of the anniversary, a replica of Diana's study had been displayed to royal fans at Buckingham Palace.

The study was adorned with some of Diana's favourite items, which had been loaned to the palace by her son's.

It was reported at the time that the Prince of Wales and Duke of Sussex had told staff how they wanted the items to be disposed on their mother's desk for the temporary exhibition.

Among all the pens and pencils, blotters, Roberts radio and stationery, what stands out are the pictures of her boys.

The famous 1995 Christmas card of Diana with Prince William and Prince Harry was on show, alongside everyday pictures from Diana's collection.

Princess Diana's Cartier silver desk-top calendar, which was gifted to her by Ronald and Nncy Reagan in 1985, was also on the desk.

It was engraved with 'Dates to Remember' and includes the birthdays of 'William', 'Harry' and 'Charles' – along with 'Anniversary' – though not the Princess's own birthday on July 1st.

Prince Harry has previously spoken about how much Meghan reminds him of his late mother.

In the couple's bombshell Netflix series, released last month, he said: 'So much of what Meghan is and how she is, is so similar to my mum.

'She has the same compassion. She has the same empathy. She has the same confidence. She has this warmth about her.'

Today saw fresh revelations from Harry emerge in a trailer for his interview with ITV's Tom Bradby.

The Duke of Sussex described William's 'red mist' in a fight over Meghan before admitting that he took cannabis, magic mushrooms and cocaine in another clip from his ITV interview, out on Sunday.

Harry also insisted to Mr Bradby that he wants reconciliation with his relatives, even though his memoir has damaged the King and plunged the Royal Family into its worst crisis since the death of his mother in 1997.

And in a separate teaser released by Good Morning America last night, he admitted the rift with William would make their late mother 'sad'.

Former Vanity Fair editor Tina Brown, a biographer of Princess Diana, said today: 'Harry's turned into a human hand grenade It's raining down on the House of Windsor just at the start of his father's reign'.

Buckingham Palace and Kensington Palace have declined to comment on anything Harry has said on TV or in his book.
'It is exhausting, it is exasperating, but it is not distracting. It will burn itself out.'

Harry claimed the stand-up row in Nottingham Cottage – his Kensington Palace flat – ended with William grabbing him by the collar and throwing him to the floor, shattering a dog bowl. His back was scraped and bruised, he said.

'He wanted me to hit him back, but I chose not to,' he said of his brother. In the clip released early today, Harry said to Mr Bradby: 'What was different here was the level of frustration, and I talk about the red mist that I had for so many years, and I saw this red mist in him.'

The short clip from the ITV interview, which is due to be broadcast on Sunday, also had Harry addressing the drug use detailed in Spare.

Mr Bradby said to the duke: 'There's a fair amount of drugs [in the book]. Marijuana, magic mushrooms, cocaine. I mean, that's going to surprise people.'

Harry appeared to agree and says it was 'important to acknowledge'.

The royal also stated he wants to reconcile with his family – something which he says cannot happen without 'some accountability'.

'I want reconciliation,' he says, 'but, first, there needs to be some accountability'. The duke also said: 'The truth, supposedly, at the moment, has been there's only one side of the story, right? But, there's two sides to every story.'

it's pretty wild to me that they don't have a Twitter presence, especially her.
Same. I figure it's because she can't handle the negative comments, given how much she screeches about "bullying" on social media.


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Scammers are already taking advantage of Meghan's wordsalad brand name. :story:
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There’s also a Shopify store of the exact name (americanrivieraorchard.shopify.com) that somebody opened with a tote bag and hand soap lol. Meghan did fuck all to squat domains. Allegedly she registered everything just this past Feb. why? Why so last minute? Does she think Catherine’s absence boosts her own image? Did she imagine herself the risen specter of bed bath and beyond while on a ayahuasca trip?
 
Allegedly she registered everything just this past Feb. why? Why so last minute? Does she think Catherine’s absence boosts her own image? Did she imagine herself the risen specter of bed bath and beyond while on a ayahuasca trip?
Meghan's mind is a mystery science will never truly understand.

But judging from past behavior I'd say a last minute attempt to capitalize on Kate's absence. Whenever Meghan has tried to do something requiring actual work she has slacked off, even for years (the podcast, Netflix), but when she sees an opportunity to "own the royals" she usually thinks up a quick gimmick.

Kate better watch out, Meghan's gonna buy Buckingham Palace out from under her in spoons and dog collars!
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There’s also a Shopify store of the exact name (americanrivieraorchard.shopify.com) that somebody opened with a tote bag and hand soap lol. Meghan did fuck all to squat domains. Allegedly she registered everything just this past Feb. why? Why so last minute? Does she think Catherine’s absence boosts her own image? Did she imagine herself the risen specter of bed bath and beyond while on a ayahuasca trip?
It honestly wouldn't surprise me if she didn't, this is the same woman who felt entitled enough to ask Kate for her lip gloss and treat her hesitance to lend it over like a weird thing. (because ofc every grown woman shares lip gloss, wdym that's not normal?)
I don't think that it's any mistake that she decided to go public with her new brand near the Diana award thingy. Kate has always outshined somewhat her and now that she's out of the picture it's the perfect time for Meg to push herself into the spotlight for the time being until she returns.
 
Did you watch their South Park episode? That was the penultimate joke: Harry opens her head like a coconut and hollers inside only to receive a resounding echo.

Classic:

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One of the best lines of all time was:

“How dare you, sir! My Instagram-loving bitch wife has always wanted her privacy!”​

 
Britoid fucking brownie, britoid fucking brownie, what's the difference really
The average bong was surprised to learn she was part black. I think most people assumed she was part Latina or southern euro or something. She just looks that kind of generic olive coloured ‘could be anything from Spain downwards’. And also no one cared.
 
The average bong was surprised to learn she was part black. I think most people assumed she was part Latina or southern euro or something. She just looks that kind of generic olive coloured ‘could be anything from Spain downwards’. And also no one cared.
You know, if she was a good actress that really could’ve worked to her advantage, Ben Kingsley style. She could really play any ethnicity with the right styling.
 
She’s the type who’d turn up at your wedding in a white dress. I dont get it - I could get it if she was fabulously beautiful but she’s very plain looking and built like a fridge. Do they teach them some special tricks at yacht girl school maybe?
If you can handle skimming through Harry's memoir, the story of how he met Meghan is actually pretty telling (Harry just doesn't realise it). She gets a section of the book called "Captain of My Soul".

Essentially Meghan put on a show of being a manic pixie dream girl via Violet von Westenholz's (a close friend of Harry's) instagram, and managed to catch Harry's eye. She laid it on thick about wanting to help Africans, then coquettishly played hard to get (but not very hard to get) and kept their "date" short and casual, and then on the second date started making out with him in Soho House. She made a big show of being a busy in-demand celebrity who has little time, but arranged to go camping with him in Botswana. At the end of the camping trip she cried because she didn't want to be parted from him, and then arranged to see him in Soho House but oh no her friend who works there came to deliver the room service! Then she took him to a Waitrose for food shopping in disguise, and cooked for his friends (she met his friends after four dates in two months). Then he introduced her to The Queen.

He frequently mentions "oh she hadn't googled us" but to me it kinda reads like she was playing coy, and was trying to give Harry the impression that she was a refreshingly unserious American who saw him as just a normal person and didn't have the faintest inkling of what the Royal family was. By December 2016 they were already talking about children (they met in July 2016).

Spare is hilarious because Harry is clearly a bit of a thicko so keeps showing himself up -
Out came the tequila. Out came the weed. We drank and smoked and watched…Inside Out. An animated movie…about emotions. Perfect. I was thoroughly inside out. Then I was peacefully numb. Good weed, dude. My phone rang. Oh, shit. I held it up to my mate. It’s her.
Who?
HER. She wasn’t just calling. She was FaceTiming.
Hello?
Hello.
What are you up to?
Uh, I’m with my mate.
What’s that in the background?
Oh, er—
Are you watching cartoons?
No. I mean, yeah. Kinda. It’s…Inside Out?
I moved to a quiet corner of the flat. She was back at her hotel. She’d washed her face. I said: God, I love your freckles. She took a quick breath. Every time she was photographed, she said, they airbrushed out her freckles. That’s insane. They’re beautiful. She said she was sorry she’d had to run. She didn’t want me to think she hadn’t enjoyed meeting me. I asked when I could see her again. Tuesday? I leave Tuesday. Oh. Tomorrow? Pause. OK. Fourth of July. We set another date. Back at Soho House.
Surely in the whole summer we could find one small spot of time. She shook her head. She was doing the full Eat Pray Love.
Eat what now?
The book?
Ah. Sorry. Not really big on books. I felt intimidated. She was so the opposite of me. She read. She was cultured.
Not important, she said with a laugh. The point was, she was going with three girlfriends to Spain, and then with two girlfriends to Italy, and then— She looked at her calendar. I looked at mine. She raised her eyes, smiled. What is it? Tell me.
Actually, there’s one small window…
- but it does seem like Meghan took steps to get herself noticed, and then was able to manipulate him by essentially treating him like he wasn't famous and then being a bit hot and cold. There's also repeated references to her taking photos with people in situations like the trip to Botswana after Harry had specifically briefed her not to (because the press would work out they were dating), and then when the news broke she was able to pretty effectively play damsel and play off of Diana similarities (he dwells a lot on watching his mother be hounded by the press). That's her trick, and how she got him to start talking to his family about proposing to her within a year.

I did initially think that maybe she was literally just an actress who happened to fall in love with a Prince, but the revelation that Meghan knelt on Diana's grave with her palms against the stone asking for guidance, exploiting Harry's clear mummy issues, was what has me convinced that she's a schemer.

The book's kind of interesting to skim through because while it's no doubt a very warped perspective, it does seem to give more of an insight into just how dysfunctional the royal family is. Camilla seems to be a giant bitch to everyone and allegedly pressured Kate to change her name from Catherine to Katherine, because she didn't want another royal insignia with a C on it to pull focus from "Charles and Camilla", and Charles's press team apparently used to hound Will and Kate about pulling focus from Charles (to the point that Kate was banned from holding a tennis racquet when she went to visit a tennis court, because a photo of her playing tennis would bump Charles off the front page), and it's heavily implied that Charles and Camilla leaked the story about Kate and Meghan clashing over bridesmaid dresses - and then a much larger hatchet job -
Towards the end of April 2019, days before Meg was due to give birth, Willy rang. I took the call in our new garden. Something had happened between him and Pa and Camilla. I couldn’t get the whole story, he was talking too fast, and was way too upset. He was seething actually. I gathered that Pa and Camilla’s people had planted a story or stories about him and Kate, and the kids, and he wasn’t going to take it anymore. Give Pa and Camilla an inch, he said, they take a mile. They’ve done this to me for the last time. I got it. They’d done the same to me and Meg as well. But it wasn’t them, technically, it was the most gung-ho member of Pa’s comms team, a true believer who’d devised and launched a new campaign of getting good press for Pa and Camilla at the expense of bad press for us.
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He’d already confronted Pa once about this woman, face-to-face. I’d gone along for moral support. The scene took place at Clarence House, in Pa’s study. I remember the windows being wide open, the white curtains blowing in and out, so it must’ve been a warm night. Willy put it to Pa: How can you be letting a stranger do this to your sons? Pa instantly got upset. He began shouting that Willy was paranoid. We both were. Just because we were getting bad press, and he was getting good, that didn’t mean his staff was behind it. But we had proof. Reporters, inside actual newsrooms, assuring us that this woman was selling us out. Pa refused to listen. His response was churlish, pathetic. Granny has her person, why can’t I have mine? By Granny’s person he meant Angela. Among the many services she performed for Granny, she was said to be skilled at planting stories. What a rubbish comparison, Willy said. Why would anyone in their right mind, let alone a grown man, want their own Angela? But Pa just kept saying it. Granny had her person, Granny had her person. High time he had a person too.
I wonder if part of the reason Kate's AWOL is because she doesn't want to get thrown under the bus to generate good PR for dying King Charlie?
 
Spare is hilarious because Harry is clearly a bit of a thicko so keeps showing himself up -
The idea of him thinking reading "Eat, Pray, Love" makes you cultured is so hilariously retarded. I can't decide if he's actually that thick or if he's trying to sounds like a relatable everyman. Taking it at its face though, it does sound like she'll eventually divorce him once his usefulness has run out.
 
The idea of him thinking reading "Eat, Pray, Love" makes you cultured is so hilariously retarded. I can't decide if he's actually that thick or if he's trying to sounds like a relatable everyman. Taking it at its face though, it does sound like she'll eventually divorce him once his usefulness has run out.
yeah even if this is his idea of how to fake looking approachable, him THINKING his makes him look down to Earth is pretty bad
otherwise yeah he's a total mong and doesn't even realize how much he's explaining this great guy he got an email from online who's a Nigerian prince
 
He frequently mentions "oh she hadn't googled us" but to me it kinda reads like she was playing coy, and was trying to give Harry the impression that she was a refreshingly unserious American who saw him as just a normal person
This reminds me, at a certain level of fame a man has a hard time seeing a mate that he believes loves him for himself. And they have terrible picking skills, because their reality is so distorted.

My favourite example of this was a Paul McCartney interview I read before he married Heather Mills.

Apparently, they met “accidentally”, and he ended up playing “Hey Jude” on a piano for her, and she gazed at him all dewy eyed and told him she had never heard it.

Hearing him brag about how this beautiful, Linda-looking model had never heard of the Beatles, I started to laugh. And sure enough, he paid for it.
 
The idea of him thinking reading "Eat, Pray, Love" makes you cultured is so hilariously retarded. I can't decide if he's actually that thick or if he's trying to sounds like a relatable everyman.
I have trouble believing anything that Harry said in his book.
He didnt' write the book, he had a ghostwriter. They often take notes of what the "author" wants to say and organize it or make it more relatable, so the gw might have added this part. Also, I'm sure the gw mostly talked with Meghan than with Harry. So, I'd say that book is only 20% Harry.
 
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