The American Child Torture Industry: Cons and Cults Disguised as Schools - Because Discord and Roblox aren't bad enough.

doodoocaca said:
I'm not going to say I know how to give the elevator pitch of "scammy cult-schools con parents and torture kids, please help" except in such terms, because it's so strange and out of the blue and titanically bad that it eludes simple one-liners or "tl;dr-ing."
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If I had to give an elavator pitch, I'd give an overview. There's these wilderness camps where parents send their disobedient kids to be scared straight. They sometimes send in goons to forcibly transport the kids to the camp, if they think they are a flight risk. There isn't much oversight, so many of them end up being hotbeds of child abuse. They frequently beat, isolate, and starve kids. Like a supermax prison for rebellious teens.

I haven't watched "the program" documentary about the camps, but you could reccomend it to people. There's the fiction movie holes ( and the book it was based on), which is about similar sorts of camps. If someone's watched/read it, you could talk about how there's camps like that in real life.
doodoocaca said:
If you go talk about this, perhaps not linking to KF but using resources like the documentary, www.unsilenced.org, or the GAO report, that would help a lot. The more people talk, the faster things start to happen. It takes persistence, but shavings make a pile.
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linking to /r/troubledteens could be useful (or some of the links they have). I think I first heard about this there, many years ago. Linking to one of the news articles where a kid dies might be informative for them.

The gao report in pdf form:

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The fact that KF is the one place you can talk about kids being hurt without a mod silencing you is fucking telling, isn't it?
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Like you said, people may prefer not to think about it. But which forums will ban you for this?
JoshPlz said:
All that sounds like those programs are like theme parks for pedophiles, sadists, serial killers and psychopaths. Where else do you just get away with raping and outright murdering children? It wouldn't surprise me if those types volunteer to work for free, or even pay to get into positions.
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namvata said:
I said it a while ago but like..... how do they hire the guys who kidnap the kids for these camps? Is it like a subcontractor sort of deal?
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My guess is from a similar group of people who work in juvenile detention. They could probably get away with similar crimes in there.
doodoocaca said:
The big puppeteers are turn out to be fucking Mormons. Robert Lichfield and Mitt Romney.

For shame we have yet to have a SUCCULENT RICO case.
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The thing about RICO, is that a lot of abusive things these programs do are entirely legal. Like how they can legally beat the kids in some states (but apparently not in Utah), since its legal for teachers to beat students in those states.
 
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They tried to export that shit even to Europe. Czechs did not f...around, thank God.
Morava AcademyView attachment 1710552683474.webpBrno, Czech RepublicOpened in 1998 and closed later that year when Czech police arrested its managers (Glenda and Steven Roach, married former police officers from Salt Lake City who would later go on to open Sunrise Beach in Mexico) and charged them with child torture.[21][22] After the Roaches' arrest and deportation the facility reverted to being a hotel.
 
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gsv2w3erfe4 said:
its legal for teachers to beat students in those states
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Poland banned that crap in the 18th century (IIRC). I'm pretty sure Japan banned that crap in 1947 (though it can still happen illegally). And Scandinavian and Western European nations have pretty much all banned that crap by the late 20th century (IIRC).

And yet in some states in America a teacher can still beat kids as if it's medieval times??
 
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doodoocaca said:
To everyone reading, and Null - the second they realize I've put this shit here, they'll come after us. Good thing we're already used to fending off even more dangerous, even more connected people. That said, programmies have a lot of money and are as evil as they are retarded, so expect to have some headaches and gayops from these Mormon assholes. Also, yeah, the soul-rending depravity of this shit, and the sheer fucking scale of it, will make you hate the world just a little bit more, more than you realized you ever could.
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AnOminous said:
We've had worse. Also these groups are as fucking evil as you say. They can all burn in Hell as far as I'm concerned. They're demons.
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The legal cases that involved KF in the past were started by morons. These companies are wealthy, so I think they are probably more threatening than the average 'lolsuit'.

There's actually some interesting caselaw involving liability under section 230 and Diamond Ranch (one of the camps mentioned in this thread). They sued someone who had a site that talked about them:
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The court decision itself:
 
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gsv2w3erfe4 said:
The legal cases that involved KF in the past were started by morons. These companies are wealthy, so I think they are probably more threatening than the average 'lolsuit'.

There's actually some interesting caselaw involving liability under section 230 and Diamond Ranch (one of the camps mentioned in this thread). They sued someone who had a site that talked about them:
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The court decision itself:
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FYI, DRA closed down for letting a girl die from peritonitis over the course of months.

I don't know if DRA actually brought a meaningful libel suit against the accused here. I can't find anything except this particular "you can keep going if you want" decision - so, all that was done was saying they can try to prove it was libel? Are we not citing our sources and also archiving it? (Also, thanks to gsv2w3erfe4 for helping what I missed!!)

Don't they also have to prove I meant to lie? I'm pretty fucking sure I'm not lying here, but, hey. I suppose the intent of stopping abuse is 'malicious' from their twisted perspective.

However, the document does state DRA was cost a million fucking dollars, so, let me say this:

SPEAKING UP HURTS THEM WHERE IT COUNTS, SO DO IT OFTEN
 
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gsv2w3erfe4 said:
The legal cases that involved KF in the past were started by morons. These companies are wealthy, so I think they are probably more threatening than the average 'lolsuit'.

There's actually some interesting caselaw involving liability under section 230 and Diamond Ranch (one of the camps mentioned in this thread). They sued someone who had a site that talked about them:
Archives: 1 2 3

The court decision itself:
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Read the article. And the comments under it. And skimmed the entire court document, stopping to carefully read & reread several pages twice. Still confused.
Does it say people can say whatever in the thread & have sec. 230 protection as long as Null himself isn’t posting or saying it? Because the woman said the things on Facebook but Facebook wasn’t sued. It was her having her own website/ blog that was a problem?
Sorry, on a teeny phone screen & my reading comprehension is shit regardless.
 
doodoocaca said:
DRA closed down for letting a girl die from peritonitis over the course of months.

I don't know if DRA actually brought a meaningful libel suit against the accused here. I can't find anything except this particular "you can keep going if you want" decision.

However, the document does state DRA was cost a million fucking dollars, so, let me say this:

SPEAKING UP HURTS THEM WHERE IT COUNTS, SO DO IT OFTEN
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They apparently asked for the case to be dropped at some point after this decision in 2017.

I think it was an out of court settlement because the website they were suing drasurvivors.com, was replaced with pro diamond ranch content in around 2017.

Archives of the old content still exist though:

Despite diamond ranch closing down, the drasurvivors.com website still seems be up (with the pro-diamond ranch content):

The official diamondranchacademy.com is down though: https://web.archive.org/web/20240316033356/https://diamondranchacademy.com/
 
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Archived some more stuff.
doodoocaca said:

https://www.fornits.com/phpbb/index...ml?PHPSESSID=620ba32a5fd918054e2254d3ad63bd15 The forum's old, the posts are from the oughts, and it's dead, but you can find Joyce's posts (the survivor's mom) and comments about Joey, the child who was singled out for the most abuse.
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All 3 archive sites work to save those fornits subforums and threads. It's not active, but still a lot of threads to do manually, so I didn't save it.
doodoocaca said:
Look for references to zipties, or zip-ties, or zip ties. The bitch said you'd repair fences with them. WHO THE FUCK DOES THAT?
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doodoocaca said:
https://www.unsilenced.org/program-archive/us-programs/utah/wwasp-hq/ shit in here I can dig through later
https://www.typeinvestigations.org/investigation/2012/07/18/dark-side-bain-success/ R-Money and the germophobia.
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Android raptor said:
here's another article about the helpline and how it tells bishops not to report abuse.
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Android raptor said:
here's an article about the church not reporting abuse they knew about. and another. here's an entire database of Mormon sex pests.
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floodlit can be saved in archive.org but its glitchy and hard to browse. use archive.today or ghostarchive.org for this site
Tried saving a page: https://archive.fo/Ye1bW

doodoocaca said:
Shit, why did this lead to such a huge settlement? Corrupt powerful assholes who aren't being held to account by those below them, who prey on children and get fucking rich off of it!
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I'll leave you with a personal account from one such survivor of High Impact, who unfortunately killed herself many years ago.
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waybackmachine loads the page but not the video:
 
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https://www.twitch.tv/scourgeonttv Ongoing stream of some AIR survivors, answering tons of questions and lots of little details, and answering questions. Should be on YouTube later if you miss it.

Highlights without timestamps in random order because THIS SHIT IS HARD

Boys were slammed, girls were dropped; either side was beaten as much as they could handle, within an inch of their life.
One of the men said they were starved for 6 days and broke the fast if they'd call another boy something racist and pick a fight. In the ensuing melee, one of the "alpha team" (more later) super manned over the entire classroom to tackle the enraged kid, the kid bribed with food to say something was knocked out and doesn't remember what happened, and the other guy was "made to eat a chair leg" (held down, mouth open, head sideways, chair leg in mouth)
Sweat outs and freeze outs - windows open in winter, -25, blue lips and shivering, or, summer, radiator on, windows closed, doors shut, you soak
Amy fucking raped everyone on the girl's side
Someone they won't say raped everyone on the boy's side (I'm sure we know here by now)
Being shredded in seminars was still worse than all of this. Boys were often put in drag, just like how girls were so often slut shamed
One process was 45 minutes of the facilitator writing labels on pieces of tape on a wall until everyone had to cover themselves in the tape labels. This was the prelude to the towel beating shit that left people with bruised knuckles and lost voices after an hour of psychotic screaming. The speaker added in the detail about how every single label was used to completely destroy the person, one at a time.
One of the two, who refused to work the program, laughed at a window during a wind storm as a tent was blown into the window, shattering it and putting glass in his face. When asked why he let it happen, he said he wanted to die, so they beat him up so much the stitches in his head split, twice, in the infamous "no cameras room."

Alpha and Bravo team: ex military/police/whacker/violent assholes who beat up boys were called in as the enforcers of the program if kids fought back.

Amusingly, farts got you punished, so kids who refused to work the program who were looking out for those who were trying to get out, particular in a "if you get out first, tell my mom to rescue me" deal, would fart to distract staff at the cost of being beaten up.

I am in shock at the diversity of evil here. It's every single petty thing, and every single arch-evil thing, all at once.
 
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I'm a Silly said:
yes, at: 4:13 "... some guy is begging me to talk about, but it's literally just pastoral rape in the Mormon church, and I'm not, he's written me, like, literally, like maybe twenty paragraphs explaining why I need to be more concerned about Mormon pastoral rape, but I'm not into that; I don't know, I have to read it first."
update: this thread was mentioned to him here: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/mad-at-the-internet.49299/post-17964229
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Dear feeder needs to actually read this thread since while Mormon pastoral rape is a thing, that's not what this thread is about. Afaik actual Mormon religious leaders aren't running these things, it's just that church leadership probably knows and is happy to keep quiet as long as palms and Utah's economy continues being greased.
 
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Android raptor said:
Dear feeder needs to actually read this thread since while Mormon pastoral rape is a thing, that's not what this thread is about. Afaik actual Mormon religious leaders aren't running these things, it's just that church leadership probably knows and is happy to keep quiet as long as palms and Utah's economy continues being greased.
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Dear Feeder would be very literally exposing himself to legal threats by MUCH MORE WELL FUNDED, EVEN WORSE PEOPLE THAN LIZ AND KEFFALS.

I'd love for him to feature this. I'd even speak on the stream. However, I can't blame him for not wanting billionaire pedos to put him on their shitlists. The regular pedos are bad enough.
 
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There have been bills drafted to regulate the "troubled teen industry", but some stalled or get weakened. Apparently, there are state laws, but not federal regulations yet. Paris Hilton has been a driving force behind a lot of the legislation. Like in Montana and Utah.

Utah:
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In montana, a group of legislators wanted to remove a part of the bill that allowed for private communication between students and parents, but Paris Hilton spoke in support of the bill:
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gsv2w3erfe4 said:
If I had to give an elavator pitch, I'd give an overview. There's these wilderness camps where parents send their disobedient kids to be scared straight. They sometimes send in goons to forcibly transport the kids to the camp, if they think they are a flight risk. There isn't much oversight, so many of them end up being hotbeds of child abuse. They frequently beat, isolate, and starve kids. Like a supermax prison for rebellious teens.

I haven't watched "the program" documentary about the camps, but you could reccomend it to people. There's the fiction movie holes ( and the book it was based on), which is about similar sorts of camps. If someone's watched/read it, you could talk about how there's camps like that in real life.

linking to /r/troubledteens could be useful (or some of the links they have). I think I first heard about this there, many years ago. Linking to one of the news articles where a kid dies might be informative for them.
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Some more thoughts on bringing this to people's attention:
Some people wouldn't care much even if they knew how this work. They probably won't defend rape, but some parents will be fine with kids being starved, beaten, or electrocuted if they are hard to deal with. They may not regard it as abusive or they might think its necessary. It'd be hard to change their minds.

It's probably easier to talk to people who are neutral. Or people who would be against them but aren't familiar with the industry. If they are fan of celebrities who have negative experiences in these centers (like Paris Hilton or Bhad Bhabie), you could mention their activism about this. If a person's heard or cares about similar causes, it will be easier to explain the troubled teen industry and get them to care about it.

There are a lot of related things that are in the public eye. A few examples: Do they complain about how kids treated in in ICE camps or juvie? Are they against conversion therapy? You can talk about similarities. Are they concerned about lgbt rights, disability rights, autism rights, or whatever? Tell them how the programs treat weird kids. Are they against corporal punishment? Are they concerned about how children are treated in special ed? Do they care about prison reform? Do they care about conservatorships (like with Brittney Spears)? If they care about any of those things, they are more likely to care about this.
 
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gsv2w3erfe4 said:
There are a lot of related things that are in the public eye. A few examples: Do they complain about how kids treated in in ICE camps or juvie? Are they against conversion therapy? You can talk about similarities. Are they concerned about lgbt rights, disability rights, autism rights, or whatever?
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I have been down that route, and it only made me angrier.

If I mention the literal caged, bound, filth-covered survivors of High Impact, and people look for ways to get out of the conversation because it wasn't deemed as mattering. They might acknowledge it, but mostly just weasel and wiggle out of talking about it like a cat held over a bathtub.

If I mention conversation therapy, they explicitly care only about that, to the point that if I point out that once conversion therapy specific programs are gone, the same queer kids go to other programs to be converted, they stop caring, because apparently it only matters if the program is full of gay kids, or, perhaps if the program explicitly does only that. Why, I don't know.

If I mention ABA therapy, I do get some head way, but again, it comes down to "I care about the designated mattering group, or, what I myself identify with, and no further."

The second I try to lead them toward "let's care about kids, not just identity-kids, or JustLikeYou-kids, or political prop" they twist and flop.

Since the documentary dropped, because of some sort of "ITS ON THE TV!!! IT COUNTS!" effect, now I get traction, and "BUT I DIDN'T KNOW!" from the same people I fucking told for years.

It's all so tiresome.
 
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Have any of these places ever advertised on Psychology Today? There's this section there that advertises rehabs and inpatient and outpatient facilities, or at least this was the case 9 or 10 years ago when I still had access to that magazine.
doodoocaca said:
CPTSD is all about playing a character to mask. It's not autism (lol) it's just another cope. It's also "I want my own money, fuck my family," and she got it. She quickly pivoted to DJing and her fashion shit.
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Just what do you think is the real Paris behind the mask anyway? While she has to still be masking somewhat in these video diaries that were stolen from her storage locker, I've noticed that her vibe was different compared to her TV persona: nowhere as ditzy and sweet, more of a mean girl (who clearly had a lot of poorly-channeled aggression), and not as consistently baby-voiced. https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5eQ2EdnkJyv54x9SGJSK1QF-RmvJMcWH&si=dv3M2CsYw-5W6tMf
doodoocaca said:
No, reddit allows r/troubledteens, and it's a top 5% subreddit. The problem is the admins demand it be "welcoming", and reddit-mod-itis means you get condescending assholes, even toward survivors, even from ex-staff who became mods.

They demand kid gloves and sugarcoating with parents, even from survivors who are begging someone to not send a kid to a program or pleading to take it out, or angry that someone asked about what was going on and flippantly forced it on their kid anyway despite proof being heaped upon them.

It's really just reddit sucking in the same way it always has.
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Do they also police your rants if they're too edgy? As is often the case for Redditors?
 
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